Arizona RANK System
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I play every week, my cost is about $20-$25 every time I play, that is gas, food, drink and tournament. So lets just say I take 2nd which I did a couple weeks ago and win 80-90, I think I did okay. To me its about getting better and for $11 to play better players and have to give weight to weaker ones to challenge myself makes it worthwhile, different strokes for different folks I guess.
Different strokes for different folks, and getting to sleep at 8 PM is more important to me.
You have the same weight as you would get in the Tuesday night tournament, the 7 ball, you can get 9-6 playing one pocket though and I do not even know how you play. :smile:
the legend
Lenny the legend . I love this game . 7 wild and the break. I'm not talkin' a tourney here. Some day I'll have enough gas money to get to Kolby's and I'll finally get to meet you. One hole, 10 -5, you can break. Race to ? You'll have to tell me the rules as we go along. I'm just woofin'. I can't get out there all the time . If I do I'll PM you. I really want to meet you. Your a good sport.:grin::clapping:
Lenny the legend . I love this game . 7 wild and the break. I'm not talkin' a tourney here. Some day I'll have enough gas money to get to Kolby's and I'll finally get to meet you. One hole, 10 -5, you can break. Race to ? You'll have to tell me the rules as we go along. I'm just woofin'. I can't get out there all the time . If I do I'll PM you. I really want to meet you. Your a good sport.:grin::clapping:
I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with Arizona's ranking system but it used to be something like this:
I'm a 6. If I played a 9 he would have to win 6 games to win the set . I would have to win 3. If he were an 8 then he would have to win 5 games to win set . I would have to win 3. If he were a 7 then he would have to win 4 games to win set. I would have to win 3. You'll notice here that 3 is the minimum number of games you must win to win a set. This method was not too bad. And I occasionally could be a threat to the better players
But the ranking czars, in the vastness of their wisdom have changed the rules. I am rewriting this because previously I had included a lot of effing insults here but I don't want the idiots to think I disrespect them.
They have decided to drop everybodies rank one notch. Brilliant.
So now I'm a 5. If I play an 8 (was a 9) he would have to win 5 games to win the set. I would have to win 3. If I played a 7 ( was an 8 ) he would have to win 4 games to win the set. I would have to win 3. If I play a 6 we would play even up.
You see, they did not change the rule that you must win a minimum of 3 games to win a set !!!! Obviously they thought that we weaker players should spot the stronger players one on the wire!
Have you seen that commercial where the man takes away the red
truck from the little boy and gives him a cardboard one and the boy looks up with arms spread and says, "This is a piece of junk." ?
Well here I stand with my mouth dropped opened and my arms spread.
First Off, I have to say WOW!
Second, If you want to send me your name we can remove you from the rating book all together. I say this because your twisted view of the rating committee is taking away from your chances to win matches and tournaments. I'm trying to see your viewpoint and how you are somehow giving weight to higher rated players? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
Everyone on AZB and in the pool world knows that a Longer Race between two players benefits the better player. In the old system you were rated a 6 and if you played a 9 you would be getting 3 games on the wire. The system is based on full races to ones handicap. You would have to win 6 games to his/her 9 games. Now with everyone dropping one rating you are a 5 and that same opponent is now an 8. You would have to win 5 games to his/her 8. WOW! You are really getting screwed on this one!
The Handicap minus some number is a room owners choice to how they want to leverage the rating system and make it work for their customers. You obviously are talking about one room in particular. Also, if a room decides to put a minimum number that anyone has to race to, that is their own decision. This has absolutely nothing to do with the Rating Committee. Just like they have the choice to run any format on any given night and also limit the higher rated players by running 8 & Under's, etc. It's unfortunate that a bunch of rooms just lowered their rating limits in their tournaments instead of giving it a chance. By doing this they haven't given the system a chance, and that too is their choice as a room owner.
When you play in a 8 & Under tournament that is Handicap-3, you are getting even more weight than is intended by the overall ratings. If you are a 6 and play against an 8 you race to 3 and them to 5. A race to 3, are you kidding me? You are stealing in that match! But you think it's fair that in your case (Being a 5) that you race to only 2 games against an 8 racing to 5?!?
How many comments have you made at the Public held Rating Committee meetings? How many meetings have you attended? Do you have any idea what the many many reasons were to lower everyone one rating? Just another negative man putting down the people that are doing so many good things for pool and have here in AZ for many years. There are 30 - 40 Committee Members that vote plus many others who help run tournaments, run leagues, travel to tournaments all over the valley, cover stories, post results, etc. Many of which come from far away cities; Yuma, Flagstaff, Tucson, Havasu City as well as all regions of the Valley. There is no pay as all these people are volunteers.
If you would have been at one of the previous meetings you would have heard the consensus that any huge change like lowering everyone would take 1 - 2 years to really measure the results. Many room owners made statements about seeing new faces, more turnout and more players in various tournaments since the move. Some of the great stories came from the few rooms that had voted against the move initially.
I can't even begin to imagine what would happen if you actually increased your level of play and got raised to the new 6. Your lid might actually come right off!
I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with Arizona's ranking system but it used to be something like this:
I'm a 6. If I played a 9 he would have to win 6 games to win the set . I would have to win 3. If he were an 8 then he would have to win 5 games to win set . I would have to win 3. If he were a 7 then he would have to win 4 games to win set. I would have to win 3. You'll notice here that 3 is the minimum number of games you must win to win a set. This method was not too bad. And I occasionally could be a threat to the better players
But the ranking czars, in the vastness of their wisdom have changed the rules. I am rewriting this because previously I had included a lot of effing insults here but I don't want the idiots to think I disrespect them.
They have decided to drop everybodies rank one notch. Brilliant.
So now I'm a 5. If I play an 8 (was a 9) he would have to win 5 games to win the set. I would have to win 3. If I played a 7 ( was an 8 ) he would have to win 4 games to win the set. I would have to win 3. If I play a 6 we would play even up.
You see, they did not change the rule that you must win a minimum of 3 games to win a set !!!! Obviously they thought that we weaker players should spot the stronger players one on the wire!
Have you seen that commercial where the man takes away the red
truck from the little boy and gives him a cardboard one and the boy looks up with arms spread and says, "This is a piece of junk." ?
Well here I stand with my mouth dropped opened and my arms spread.
are you really crying about not getting 3 or 4 games in a race to 6? the rating isnt suppose to make it fair or give you the advantage its suppose to give you a chance to win not give you a lock to beat someone that has taken their time to improve their game. your suppose to have some advantage for playing better and that is what they trying to do. go to another state and you will get 1 or 2 max on the wire from A players or better if not play them even. while this system is flawed it is far better than most. and the people that actually show up for the meeting and contribute to make it better shouldnt be criticized by someone looking for a handout (tons of weight in short races). imo
good post jerry!
1. Coco you are a nit .
2. Whom ever it concerns: If you want action there is plenty in AZ just go too the right room dumb ass.
3. Ratings: should be a,b,c format.
4. Jerry lets do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Whom ever it concerns: If you want action there is plenty in AZ just go too the right room dumb ass.
3. Ratings: should be a,b,c format.
4. Jerry lets do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good info
Stuckart, the comment about giving weight to better players was meant to be facetious. But beyond that You supplied me with a lot of good info to which I was heretofore was not privy and I thank you. You may say don't make comments about things of which you know nothing but a person doesn't know what he doesn't know. I am learning which sources are the more reliable.
Stuckart, the comment about giving weight to better players was meant to be facetious. But beyond that You supplied me with a lot of good info to which I was heretofore was not privy and I thank you. You may say don't make comments about things of which you know nothing but a person doesn't know what he doesn't know. I am learning which sources are the more reliable.
1 we need more jude's in az.
2 coco IS a nit.
3 whiners need bumped to 10-2 for 6 months to appreciate the system a lil better.
4 this thread needs deleted
You got the 7 wild and the breaks and you get 10-6 and I get the breaks, just PM me a day after 7PM that you can make it to Kolby's and we can play. :smile:
Guys,
Knowing we have fewer players, specially unknown players tempers my comments. In Rochester, we have several BCAPL leagues. It is the only chance we get to watch most all the locals play. When tournament time comes, we let the player auction determine what rank a player is. Generally A & B players. C level player have no where to go. Get better is the advice given.
If 42 players show up for an event, 16 will automatically be sold off as A players. The balance will be B's. Once in a while, a known B player is voted into the A bracket for spite. The tournament director has the option of refusing to move the player. Most of the time, the player just retaliates against the person who bought him as a A by moving that person to an A. Keeps the BS down. In the greatest majority of cases, the player just plays as an A for that event.
The A's play other A's. B's play B's. When the tournament gets down to the last player each bracket both winners and losers, they play off. A against B. The B players have the option of playing a race to three or a race to one against the A. We find it fair. Perhaps you don't. Once in a while an unknown slips into the B bracket. Gonna happen! Never plays as a B again. That is our rating system.
Lyn
Knowing we have fewer players, specially unknown players tempers my comments. In Rochester, we have several BCAPL leagues. It is the only chance we get to watch most all the locals play. When tournament time comes, we let the player auction determine what rank a player is. Generally A & B players. C level player have no where to go. Get better is the advice given.
If 42 players show up for an event, 16 will automatically be sold off as A players. The balance will be B's. Once in a while, a known B player is voted into the A bracket for spite. The tournament director has the option of refusing to move the player. Most of the time, the player just retaliates against the person who bought him as a A by moving that person to an A. Keeps the BS down. In the greatest majority of cases, the player just plays as an A for that event.
The A's play other A's. B's play B's. When the tournament gets down to the last player each bracket both winners and losers, they play off. A against B. The B players have the option of playing a race to three or a race to one against the A. We find it fair. Perhaps you don't. Once in a while an unknown slips into the B bracket. Gonna happen! Never plays as a B again. That is our rating system.
Lyn
OMG you said something that I would agree with.
I agree with Number 1.
Jerry 12310bch was expressing his opinion on the Forum, and that is what the Forum is for. The man is entitled to his opinion, and expressing it.
Second now that the Nine’s are Eight’s, and some of the Room did not LOWER their Tournament Rating those old Nine’s, now Eight’s are dominating the EIGHT & UNDER Tournament and the OLD 6's and 7's have no chance of winning or placing often. Thus many stay home.
I personally played in one NINE and Under at Metro under the OLD SYSTEM, and IMHO it was not worth the 7 BUCKS ENTRY FEE I donated. I got a total of 4 time at the table to try and play out of a safety the NINE Put me in, plus got to rack a lot.
If the NEW RATING SYSTEM was not accepted by all Bars & Rooms, as many have LOWER their Tournament Number from 8 to a 7 etc. THE OX is one place that adjust their NUMBER to KEEP CUSTOMERS.
I was told that the idea of the NEW SYSTEM was too bring people back to the Rooms, and Bars in greater number. From what I have been told the Rooms, and Bars are still hurting, and the number of player at tournaments has not go up like expected.
Maybe it is time for all the Room & Bar Owners to get on the same page, and figure out what works, and what don't work, and make a system that is 100% AGREEABLE to all the Room/Bar Wonder on the Committee.
Also the 4 to 10-2 System is confusing for many, as the lowest rated player is being a "4", and the best rated player is a 10-2. People who I have tried to explain the NUMBERING to say it is very confusing, and do not understand why it is not a,b, c, d, or 1,2,3,4 numbering system?
JMHO.
UR a #1 RickS IMHO.:wink:
I apologize if I skimmed through the thread, but the rating system seems a bit confusing. In Tulsa, we use a similar rating system from 4-10
The top players are 10 speeds and there are even levels of 10's who are better than your average 10. Shane McMinn is probably the best 10 speed around. We have Gabe Owen, John Gabriel, Joey Gray, Chip Compton, James Walden, and Brian Jones in the area. They would be considered to be the one's of whom I speak of when I say 10+
The 9's and below are the one's who usually compete against each other in our tournaments. We have tournaments that are the monthly 8, 9, and 10 ball where you normally race to your rating. It works out great. It is simple, it is fair, and no one complains......... unless a player is claimed to be unfairly rated. Most everyone who plays in these tournaments are regulars who are well-known.
In eight ball, it is usually alternate break. The nine ball and ten ball is loser break. Most any of our tournaments are RYO. The monthly Saturday tournaments are played on the bar box too. The big tables are reserved for one pocket and the Sunday night 8 and 9 ball which alternates each week and is normally race to three on the winners and race to two on the losers. We also have blind draw scotch doubles and other little tournaments throughout the week. Three ball is also going on during these mid week tournaments. These are all in-house tourneys that are weekly and monthly, and we've been doing it that way for as long as I have been playing.
The top players are 10 speeds and there are even levels of 10's who are better than your average 10. Shane McMinn is probably the best 10 speed around. We have Gabe Owen, John Gabriel, Joey Gray, Chip Compton, James Walden, and Brian Jones in the area. They would be considered to be the one's of whom I speak of when I say 10+
The 9's and below are the one's who usually compete against each other in our tournaments. We have tournaments that are the monthly 8, 9, and 10 ball where you normally race to your rating. It works out great. It is simple, it is fair, and no one complains......... unless a player is claimed to be unfairly rated. Most everyone who plays in these tournaments are regulars who are well-known.
In eight ball, it is usually alternate break. The nine ball and ten ball is loser break. Most any of our tournaments are RYO. The monthly Saturday tournaments are played on the bar box too. The big tables are reserved for one pocket and the Sunday night 8 and 9 ball which alternates each week and is normally race to three on the winners and race to two on the losers. We also have blind draw scotch doubles and other little tournaments throughout the week. Three ball is also going on during these mid week tournaments. These are all in-house tourneys that are weekly and monthly, and we've been doing it that way for as long as I have been playing.