i once saw a great report on the news about counterfeit 100 dollar bills from china. you know how the experts told the real bills from the fakes from china...... the ones from china were better (less bleeding or something). they were literally too perfect. i always loved that story.
Aromith accepts "Quality Control" discrepancy / Tournament Edition?
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i once saw a great report on the news about counterfeit 100 dollar bills from china. you know how the experts told the real bills from the fakes from china...... the ones from china were better (less bleeding or something). they were literally too perfect. i always loved that story.
its always the bow never the archer..
a friend just bought 10 sets of premiums and a few tv ball sets pros all weighted in between 167.8-170.3 all in grams worst set was 2.5 gram difference.
We didnt measure diameter or hardness for concistancy that would be the next step. possibley exray for uniformity or bubbles in them.
The rules maybe a little loose but if they were more strict add more production costs into it also.
retail side hand picked set of matching balls by weight wxtra$50.00 weight and size extra$150 on top of retail. pay extra for balance and blue printed race motor even though its a 350 block.
pool table manufacture cant decide on a standard pocket opening 6", 5", 4" 53deg, 56 deg, 45 deg. 11\2" or 13\4" thickness u23, k66, k55 rubber.
just some input,
Craig
a friend just bought 10 sets of premiums and a few tv ball sets pros all weighted in between 167.8-170.3 all in grams worst set was 2.5 gram difference.
We didnt measure diameter or hardness for concistancy that would be the next step. possibley exray for uniformity or bubbles in them.
The rules maybe a little loose but if they were more strict add more production costs into it also.
retail side hand picked set of matching balls by weight wxtra$50.00 weight and size extra$150 on top of retail. pay extra for balance and blue printed race motor even though its a 350 block.
pool table manufacture cant decide on a standard pocket opening 6", 5", 4" 53deg, 56 deg, 45 deg. 11\2" or 13\4" thickness u23, k66, k55 rubber.
just some input,
Craig
Maybe the answer is that if Aramith can't get the balls to be dead perfect then maybe it's not possible or not profitable enough.
Recently there was a story about a project to test Einstein's theory of curved space. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17iht-17gravity.20237042.html
But success was not guaranteed. Arcane, often unprecedented technologies were needed. The four fused-quartz, Ping-Pong-ball-size gyroscopes, coated with the metal niobium, were the most perfectly spherical objects ever created by humans. A coffin-size lead "bag" shielded the gyros from Earth's magnetic field.
Maybe we should be thinking how really awesome it is when we manage to run out rack after rack with imperfect equipment.
Although I do think that Aramith should admit that the cue balls they supplied to the BCAPL were defective and it's not the phenolic tips that caused them to break.
Welcome back to the forum, Curly...er, uh, I mean Larry. :grin:
Read my above comment and then take one guess, John.
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This comes off the Saluc website regarding the Tournaments:
This says to me that the balls in any given set are claimed to be matched in weight, size and color. With this in mind, whether or not 0.5 of an ounce is material in regards to playability but considering it would be at the two extremes of legal spec, I would think this an excessive variance in a matched set.
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Gotcha. I wasn't clued in that this is another PP thread. :-(
I do think that half an ounce would be noticeable. I have never seen a set that I weighed display anything remotely close to that variance.
6" is good for me!
I don't need anything else to think about when I'm shooting.. I guarantee you can't feel the difference the OP is talking about.. Not a big deal at all IMHO..
If you're thinking about the weight of the pool balls and making excuses, you are fooling yourself!! and thinking WAY too much..
If you're thinking about the weight of the pool balls and making excuses, you are fooling yourself!! and thinking WAY too much..
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Play pool, deal with the conditions. Condition & equiptemnt are always not perfect. But they effect both parties to the game equally. JMHO.
assuming 6 oz balls.... i would think a half an oz lets say lighter ob on a draw shot would give you about 8% less draw distance. youd get about 8% more if it was .5 oz heavier. this would be very noticeable. im like others, i dont worry about this stuff.... but stuff like this is DEFINITELY the reason we see players make certain mistakes, esp stuff like pinpoint position.
Here is the real breakdown:
Aromith balls have significant weight differences and should be blamed for any missed shots.
Aramith balls are usually pretty close and the variance is too small to make a difference.
Aerosmith balls just rock and roll.
Aromith balls have significant weight differences and should be blamed for any missed shots.
Aramith balls are usually pretty close and the variance is too small to make a difference.
Aerosmith balls just rock and roll.
really?
"Why the knock on the China balls?"
Really? Well, since you asked and lest people remain blissfully ignorant, I will simply say that there is a cost to everything that is produced. These costs involve human labor, materials, detriment to the environment, and the ramifications of supporting a country that 'occupies' others. Your $75 set of resin balls likely have a true cost to the planet that is much more than you paid. These costs are more likely to be built-in when made in an advanced parlaimentary democracy like Belgium.
I would imagine that no matter the quality of these knock-offs, there are no percentages paid to Aramith though these fledgeling companies are benefiting from the history, advertising, and consistancy (read : someone's $ and time).
I live in the U.S.A. and naturally we have (and continue to) have issues with taking advantage of people and resources, and we will continue to pay for it. For China's sake and ours, let's not pretend that it is 'all the same', or there will be no motivation for things to change.
(Rambling, preachy message sent from my China-made G1 mobile phone)
"Why the knock on the China balls?"
Really? Well, since you asked and lest people remain blissfully ignorant, I will simply say that there is a cost to everything that is produced. These costs involve human labor, materials, detriment to the environment, and the ramifications of supporting a country that 'occupies' others. Your $75 set of resin balls likely have a true cost to the planet that is much more than you paid. These costs are more likely to be built-in when made in an advanced parlaimentary democracy like Belgium.
I would imagine that no matter the quality of these knock-offs, there are no percentages paid to Aramith though these fledgeling companies are benefiting from the history, advertising, and consistancy (read : someone's $ and time).
I live in the U.S.A. and naturally we have (and continue to) have issues with taking advantage of people and resources, and we will continue to pay for it. For China's sake and ours, let's not pretend that it is 'all the same', or there will be no motivation for things to change.
(Rambling, preachy message sent from my China-made G1 mobile phone)
Very impressed with your post in defending the issue at hand.
I found your post to be supportive of what I consider the issue.
Good Post
I found your post to be supportive of what I consider the issue.
Good Post
i totally understand your point. we live in a country governed by patent laws and such.... im not an expert on this, but china being sovereign, we cant really say much legally about the logos they stamp on their products. but i for one can tell you if they make a product that is at or higher than the quality of the originals (as they many times do), beat the US price, and stamp a copyrighted logo on it..... well, there is just not much you can say-- id buy it, thats for sure. i guess the problem is, you never know about the quality, but buyer beware. truth is, look at international patent laws with respect to china.... im not sure they are even technically doing anything wrong. i personally like the fact that at times they make REALLY good stuff, in most other countries the copies are total crap-- and thus easily identifiable.
as far as the china "occupying" business, relative to the U.S..... im just getting kinda of a chuckle out of that one.
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You cannot ever say that the weight difference in balls is the definite reason that any one ever missed a shot.
First of all no one is playing professional tournaments with balls that have a half ounce weight difference. Don't confuse the silly BCA/WPA specs that ALLOW for a half-ounce difference with the reality which is that balls typically have very very small variances in weight as shown by the several examples already given.
How about when the players get pinpoint position? What do you blame that on?
Do you have any idea how much "Aramith" branded stuff is made in China at Aramith's direction?
I thought we were talking about the weight of balls here? The contention that all the China balls are bad or have huge weight swings throughout the set are just wrong.
The fact of the matter is that you have NO IDEA if Aramith is dumping their waste in the river or not. You just assume that they do everything "right" because Belgium is such a nice little country.
Please don't start with whose balls are greener as an argument. The fact is you don't know and neither do I.
If you really want to have the lowest possible eco-footprint then stop playing pool and go live naked in the woods. Playing pool ranks very high on the list of selfish and self-indugent things a person can do. It's an absolute luxury that requires a LOT of human effort from around the globe to allow you play enjoyably. So please spare us the lecture.
oh no, i never said they miss balls because the weight. i was strictly replying to what you said about a "0.5 oz weight difference not being noticeable."
when they get pinpoint position i "blame" that on a player gettting a good feel for the balls (especially the cb) and the table. i think our balls are great, i was just replying to what you said. what i'll also say is if you see the greatest position player of all time draw 6 inches too far and snooker himself hill-hill...... it is very possible it could have been caused by a relatively heavy object ball. truth is, i really dont think we disagree, just not understanding each other
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Replace density with resilience?
oh no, i never said they miss balls because the weight. i was strictly replying to what you said about a "0.5 oz weight difference not being noticeable."
when they get pinpoint position i "blame" that on a player gettting a good feel for the balls (especially the cb) and the table. i think our balls are great, i was just replying to what you said. what i'll also say is if you see the greatest position player of all time draw 6 inches too far and snooker himself hill-hill...... it is very possible it could have been caused by a relatively heavy object ball. truth is, i really dont think we disagree, just not understanding each other
I said that I thought a .5oz difference would be noticeable. I agree that the weight difference between a cue ball and the object ball can play a part in reactions. But just as much is an extra twitch at just the wrong time a cause for unintended position.
Glad we agree. I think that the equipment we have now is the best it's ever been.