Article by Badi Nazhat

Bella Don't Cry said:
I agree also.
Vested interest doesn't mean that it needs to be an invested interest (although investment helps) and possibly the industry leaders can and will realise this.
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It appears the industry had enough foresight to honor (HOF inductee) Barry Hearns and Matchroom sports as a major player. Did the industry follow thru and market/advertise the Mosconi Cup that's soon upon us? Feels like Zippo, but why,???? its a NO BRAINER.
 
Island Drive said:
It appears the industry had enough foresight to honor (HOF inductee) Barry Hearns and Matchroom sports as a major player. Did the industry follow thru and market/advertise the Mosconi Cup that's soon upon us? Feels like Zippo, but why,???? its a NO BRAINER.
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If this IS going to be the plan then it will only benefit a few top pros at best for a number of years to come. It is still vital that a grass roots system is in place with quality organisation and funding. For the later two it takes a greater plan.
But hey! If Matchroom do indeed have a bigger role to play within USA Pool then at least it will be televised - which seems to be the golden egg to most :thumb up:
 
.we want "The Teacher" to be the best it can be as soon as possible.

ceebee said:
I hope so.... Poker wouldn't have ever made it to TV without the gambling asset. People get excited about the money, even $20 nine ball draws railbirds.

Poker players seem to have more cash in their pockets & are ready to plunk it down for a possible reward. Pool players are a bit strapped right now & any big money games I've seen are played out with someone else's money at stake.

Maybe gambling would help... it certainly helped poker, where a bunch of our players went. We all have ideas, we all have opinions, maybe a collection of these ideas & opinions will someday become the magic potion.
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Poker and pool have engaging common denominators as far as the gambling components are concerned......the difference is poker has capitalized and accentuated these qualities and pool promoters have inadvertently concealed them through rule and format changes.

We believe it was an honest mistake and the results took awhile to become apparent.....the important thing is to be willing do what's necessary to make the Game 100% again.....then it will be worth a substantial investment in marketing, advertising, and promotions of the Game.

We want "The Teacher" to be the best it can be as soon as possible.....then, {and only then} will the players shine and our industry reap the rewards.
 
To Barry Hearn, the USA is Ft. Worth.

Island Drive said:
It appears the industry had enough foresight to honor (HOF inductee) Barry Hearns and Matchroom sports as a major player. Did the industry follow thru and market/advertise the Mosconi Cup that's soon upon us? Feels like Zippo, but why,???? its a NO BRAINER.
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The United States is not Barry's target market so he doesn't waste time or money. It's like owning a great Steak House in Dallas (to use a Texas analogy), you concentrate your advertising and marketing on Dallas, even though you will get customers from Ft. Worth.

To Barry Hearn, the USA is Ft. Worth.

The Mosconi Cup has millions of viewers in Europe and Asia. Until we create a TV market in the USA if doesn't make sense to promote a pool show......once the market is here it's a SURE THING that Barry will broadcast the Mosconi Cup in the USA....until then we have to be satisfied with streaming video.
 
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It appears the industry had enough foresight to honor (HOF inductee) Barry Hearns and Matchroom sports as a major player. Did the industry follow thru and market/advertise the Mosconi Cup that's soon upon us? Feels like Zippo, but why,???? its a NO BRAINER.

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CJ,
The United States is not Barry's target market so he doesn't waste time or money. It's like owning a great Steak House in Dallas (to use a Texas analogy), you concentrate your advertising and marketing on Dallas, even though you will get customers from Ft. Worth.

To Barry Hearn, the USA is Ft. Worth.

The Mosconi Cup has millions of viewers in Europe and Asia. Until we create a TV market in the USA if doesn't make sense to promote a pool show......once the market is here it's a SURE THING that Barry will broadcast the Mosconi Cup in the USA....until then we have to be satisfied with streaming video.


CJ, my comments....see above....were NOT directed towards Barry at all.
I thought I said, since the BCA honored and inducted him into the HOF, then WHY did they NOT do ANY marketing to our industry HERE? I'm well aware of the over the pond market.
 
his is why everything must change, or nothing ever will.

Island Drive said:
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It appears the industry had enough foresight to honor (HOF inductee) Barry Hearns and Matchroom sports as a major player. Did the industry follow thru and market/advertise the Mosconi Cup that's soon upon us? Feels like Zippo, but why,???? its a NO BRAINER.

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CJ,
The United States is not Barry's target market so he doesn't waste time or money. It's like owning a great Steak House in Dallas (to use a Texas analogy), you concentrate your advertising and marketing on Dallas, even though you will get customers from Ft. Worth.

To Barry Hearn, the USA is Ft. Worth.

The Mosconi Cup has millions of viewers in Europe and Asia. Until we create a TV market in the USA if doesn't make sense to promote a pool show......once the market is here it's a SURE THING that Barry will broadcast the Mosconi Cup in the USA....until then we have to be satisfied with streaming video.


CJ, my comments....see above....were NOT directed towards Barry at all.
I thought I said, since the BCA honored and inducted him into the HOF, then WHY did they NOT do ANY marketing to our industry HERE? I'm well aware of the over the pond market.
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You're right, our industry could help promote our players and the Mosconi Cup. However, this is where you see the "roadblock" that holds us back.....politics. Jealousy and animosity among industry leaders and players will not create anything positive.

This is why everything must change, or nothing ever will. ;)

'The Truth is the Teacher' ......thanks to the Game for teaching the Truth
 
Island Drive said:
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It appears the industry had enough foresight to honor (HOF inductee) Barry Hearns and Matchroom sports as a major player. Did the industry follow thru and market/advertise the Mosconi Cup that's soon upon us? Feels like Zippo, but why,???? its a NO BRAINER.

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CJ,
The United States is not Barry's target market so he doesn't waste time or money. It's like owning a great Steak House in Dallas (to use a Texas analogy), you concentrate your advertising and marketing on Dallas, even though you will get customers from Ft. Worth.

To Barry Hearn, the USA is Ft. Worth.

The Mosconi Cup has millions of viewers in Europe and Asia. Until we create a TV market in the USA if doesn't make sense to promote a pool show......once the market is here it's a SURE THING that Barry will broadcast the Mosconi Cup in the USA....until then we have to be satisfied with streaming video.


CJ, my comments....see above....were NOT directed towards Barry at all.
I thought I said, since the BCA honored and inducted him into the HOF, then WHY did they NOT do ANY marketing to our industry HERE? I'm well aware of the over the pond market.
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As long as we address this situation as single entities, we are as voices in the wilderness. However if we join forces, we will become a voice to be heard.

There is power in numbers.
 
Paul Schofield said:
This open letter is offensive. I am surprised at all the "piling on" posted in response. This letter speaks more about the author than the status of pocket billiards. We all learn about ourselves in our lowest and most trying moments. It is at these moments that true passion, character, and leadership emerge. This gentleman very eloquently narrated his exit. I get it. "I don't like the way all of you play. I am picking up my toys and leaving. I am not coming back until I like what I see".

He advocates unity behind a monarchy. This is not the American way. The turmoil in our sport is rooted in declining popularity. Right now, nothing is working. Competing ideas, competing concepts, and competing organizations is how our system rolls. Freedom to choose pulls the best out of our innovators. If and when a concept proves overwhelmingly successful, the entire industry will quickly fall in line behind it.
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Boy, was I off base here. I was under the impression that this fellow was a promoter. He is not. Badi Nazhat is a sponsor, advocate, and enthusiast. It is not his place to lead. Our industry is in turmoil and I think it is fully understandable that he would remove himself from the picture. My apologies.
 
Paul Schofield said:
Boy, was I off base here. I was under the impression that this fellow was a promoter. He is not. Badi Nazhat is a sponsor, advocate, and enthusiast. It is not his place to lead. Our industry is in turmoil and I think it is fully understandable that he would remove himself from the picture. My apologies.
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Good post. After all is said and done, Badi was an investor in pool who determined that it was a poor investment. Hence, he chooses to forgo further investment, and that's his right.
 
Paul Schofield said:
Boy, was I off base here. I was under the impression that this fellow was a promoter. He is not. Badi Nazhat is a sponsor, advocate, and enthusiast. It is not his place to lead. Our industry is in turmoil and I think it is fully understandable that he would remove himself from the picture. My apologies.
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Here is how he was listed on tournament materials each year: "Tournament Promoter & Organizer: Badi Nazhat"
 
I'd say that the word "producer" describes Badi best with respect to the Ultimate Ten Ball.
 
Professional Pool can have a Bright Future, if Produced and Promoted Properly.

Paul Schofield said:
Now I am really confused. Can you post a jpeg of any listings?
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Either the promoter didn't produce or the producer didn't promote (in Tunica).

If Badi ever decides to do any more producing or promoting we would strongly advice him to do the following:

Broadcast the Event on TV and hire Professionals to Promote, Produce and Advertise the Event in a Major City like Dallas, Ft. Worth, LA, New York, or even Atlanta. There's several other specific details we would also suggest if the time ever comes. (This may take 50k out of the prize money, and it would be well spent)

Professional Pool can have a Bright Future, if Produced and Promoted Properly.

'The Game is the Teacher'
 
What?

CJ Wiley said:
Either the promoter didn't produce or the producer didn't promote (in Tunica).

If Badi ever decides to do any more producing or promoting we would strongly advice him to do the following:

Broadcast the Event on TV and hire Professionals to Promote, Produce and Advertise the Event in a Major City like Dallas, Ft. Worth, LA, New York, or even Atlanta. There's several other specific details we would also suggest if the time ever comes. (This may take 50k out of the prize money, and it would be well spent)

Professional Pool can have a Bright Future, if Produced and Promoted Properly.

'The Game is the Teacher'
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CJ,
About promoting pool tournaments in general. You seem to have a lot of advice, but Im curious how do you see the money coming back to the promoter? Im sorry but I don't see it. We discuss doing this and that and this and that , that costs a ton of money. I haven't seen any evidence of where a producer, promoter, angel, advocate for just friend gets any of his money back. Surely you don't think "the door" is going to do it?

Especially when you talk about throwing around the weight you suggest to properly promote and all these "We suggest" statements.....who is We? and where is this flowing River of Gold if someone does what "We" says?
 
336Robin said:
CJ,
About promoting pool tournaments in general. You seem to have a lot of advice, but Im curious how do you see the money coming back to the promoter? Im sorry but I don't see it. We discuss doing this and that and this and that , that costs a ton of money. I haven't seen any evidence of where a producer, promoter, angel, advocate for just friend gets any of his money back. Surely you don't think "the door" is going to do it?

Especially when you talk about throwing around the weight you suggest to properly promote and all these "We suggest" statements.....who is We? and where is this flowing River of Gold if someone does what "We" says?
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Additionally to this response, I'd have to add that CJ says that taking $50k out of the prize fund to spend on TV would be money better spent....better for who? Not the players in the event, I would think. That's $50k that would provide many more players to at least get their entry back, or perhaps more. Something you've gone on about, CJ.

I would think that $50k would need to come from advertisers, if TV is the goal. Not from the players. Of course, I'm merely speculating.

Yes, getting it on TV would be great. I'm just...wait. "WE" are just trying to follow along here.
 
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CJ Wiley said:
Either the promoter didn't produce or the producer didn't promote (in Tunica).

If Badi ever decides to do any more producing or promoting we would strongly advice him to do the following:

Broadcast the Event on TV and hire Professionals to Promote, Produce and Advertise the Event in a Major City like Dallas, Ft. Worth, LA, New York, or even Atlanta. There's several other specific details we would also suggest if the time ever comes. (This may take 50k out of the prize money, and it would be well spent)

Professional Pool can have a Bright Future, if Produced and Promoted Properly.

'The Game is the Teacher'
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You got me wondering a little, i find this site interesting it has what 30-second commercials cost on all of the network shows, does pool has this kind of money? maybe..

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/2013-2014-network-tv-show-30-second-ads
 
Thankyou

naji said:
You got me wondering a little, i find this site interesting it has what 30-second commercials cost on all of the network shows, does pool has this kind of money? maybe..

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/2013-2014-network-tv-show-30-second-ads
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Naji,
Thank you for finally shedding some light on the true costs.

In my mind in view of these costs, we have to focus on the grassroots of the problem and that is teenagers, kids and spreading as much pool out across the country as possible in order for the sport to gain strength. Its doable but don't think that in 5ys we are going to have a renaissance of the sport. It may take 10, 15, 20 yrs but things are going to change because nothing that is being done makes any financial sense.

There are things that can be done but we need a body of people to fund grassroots efforts and no such body exists even for things that cost just a few hundred dollars. We need Industry help to save the Commercial part of the Industry. If the home market is enough to satisfy their needs then pool is screwed and the home market is pretty big when you think about how many people have a pool table in the basement but I'm sure that the loss of 20 million players in so many years and half the pool rooms and wholesalers has someone scratching their heads, yet no one stands apart to want to do something about it.......priceless.

This tells me the commercial market doesn't help much or someone would be making noise.
 
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336Robin said:
Naji,
Thank you for finally shedding some light on the true costs.

In my mind in view of these costs, we have to focus on the grassroots of the problem and that is teenagers, kids and spreading as much pool out across the country as possible in order for the sport to gain strength. Its doable but don't think that in 5ys we are going to have a renaissance of the sport. It may take 10, 15, 20 yrs but things are going to change because nothing that is being done makes any financial sense.

There are things that can be done but we need a body of people to fund grassroots efforts and no such body exists even for things that cost just a few hundred dollars. We need Industry help to save the Commercial part of the Industry. If the home market is enough to satisfy their needs then pool is screwed and the home market is pretty big when you think about how many people have a pool table in the basement but I'm sure that the loss of 20 million players in so many years and half the pool rooms and wholesalers has someone scratching their heads, yet no one stands apart to want to do something about it.......priceless.

This tells me the commercial market doesn't help much or someone would be making noise.
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The rise of social media, and the fact that many people already have cinemas (big TVs), and Netflix and so many streams , YouTube, iphons, ipod, pads...porn you name it took most of those that do not care much about pool away from pool, and do not forget the smoking ban in pool halls. Bottom line people are finding other ways to entertain themselves.
Another good reason, IMO, no one cracked the secret of pool yet, so the normal person can learn in a week? Who knows maybe one day.
 
The code

naji said:
The rise of social media, and the fact that many people already have cinemas (big TVs), and Netflix and so many streams , YouTube, iphons, ipod, pads...porn you name it took most of those that do not care much about pool away from pool, and do not forget the smoking ban in pool halls. Bottom line people are finding other ways to entertain themselves.
Another good reason, IMO, no one cracked the secret of pool yet, so the normal person can learn in a week? Who knows maybe one day.
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Naji,
The code....that's sort of sore subject with me because cracking the code is doable if you know how to tell someone how to aim and I do but just try to get someone to listen and put in the practice to get better. It simply wont happen. Sorry but it wont. Guys I play with see me run out, they know I've written on the subject and when I tell them what I do very plainly, you would think I spoke Russian to them. Its like oh that cant work and they go right back to doing the same thing. The code is cracked in my opinion but no one wants to listen and I haven't got the time to try and beat into people but there is an absence of common sense alternatives to aiming systems that are difficult for some to learn.
 
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