"As the World Turns"..."Guiding Light" or is it "The Young and The Restless?"

[JAM]

are people worried that games like 8,9,10 ball, one pocket and 14-1 will be banished from the face of the earth if BB succeeds, is this why people like Jam want this to fail? If I was BB player right now I would be crossing off a lot of people from my GTG list.

Never said I *wanted* Bonus Ball to fail.

Never said anybody else *wanted* Bonus Ball to fail.

I did say Bonus Ball was folly and doomed to fail. Doesn't mean I want it to fail.

FWIW, I'm sure I am on nobody's lists of anything. In the scheme of things, my opinions don't mean squat when it comes to the success or failure of Bonus Ball. They will sink or swim on their own, with or without an AzBilliards member's blessing named JAM. :grin:

 

[Mark Griffin]

Bonus Ball et al

are people worried that games like 8,9,10 ball, one pocket and 14-1 will be banished from the face of the earth if BB succeeds, is this why people like Jam want this to fail? If I was BB player right now I would be crossing off a lot of people from my GTG list.

I have to wonder why you say things like ths.

I believe almost everyone WANTS bonus ball to succeed - the question is can it?

I want what is good for pool - period.

BUT - all of ths conflict could have been avoided if BB had used just a bit of courtesy in their scheduling. I still think my statement of $13,000 ' would have been a deal' is proven every day. (only 1% of what was spent on the arena).

I am not a hater - I just think all of this conflict is stupid and very non- productive. Things could have been SOOOO much better.

Mark Griffin

 

[Poolshootindon]

You said it not me !!!!!!!!!!!

Never said I *wanted* Bonus Ball to fail.

Never said anybody else *wanted* Bonus Ball to fail.

I did say Bonus Ball was folly and doomed to fail. Doesn't mean I want it to fail.

FWIW, I'm sure I am on nobody's lists of anything. In the scheme of things, my opinions don't mean squat when it comes to the success or failure of Bonus Ball. They will sink or swim on their own, with or without an AzBilliards member's blessing named JAM. :grin:

JAM.... This is the first time you have openly admitted what a lot of us have known for some time now.


Don :thumbup:

 

[Mark Griffin]

Mark, why call me out?

you're acting like I am running around the board posting about BB like the world is going to end, like Jam does?

Honestly if I were you I would just ride the storm out and leave the BB alone. It would serve you better than to let guys like me read between the lines of your posts.

Primo,

There is no 'reading between the lines' in my post.
I have said - about 100 times - that I want what is good for pool.

There is no storm for me to ride out - I have also said that we are not changing a thing in our events. We will have our 3 US Open events and we will pay out everything we said we would.

That being said - things culd have been so much better for the pool world (which includes the players) if Bonus Ball would have used a little bit of common business sense and courtesy when making their schedule.

It was not necessary to plop down on top of established events. They act like they don't care - and that is BAD for the pool industry. If they are successful, that might work out for a few - if they are not successful, that might not work out for many.

What I am saying - this was not necessary.

And that is not said out of desperation - it is said out of concern for the players and others in the industry. Remember - we are primarily an amateur organization. I am involved in Diamojnd, TAR and other professional leaning things because I love the game and love showing all the amateurs how the game should be played.

This situation is on their shoulders - not mine. And I dont understand why this obsevation (the scheduling) sounds like hate or wishing BB to fail. All I want is for what is best fro pool - I do not think the way this came down was the best path to take.

Now - you can take that for what you want. I am a pretty straight forward guy. I am very accessible and will explain my thoughts. They are not founded on fear or jealousy. They are founded on fear of the future of pool - because I love this game.

I do not feel others are quite so transparent.

All of the bickering has done is drive wedges and hard feelings between an already fractured industry.

Mark Griffin

 

[CreeDo]

I think at this point BB understands everyone's #1 complaint, the scheduling issue.
At this point it's just wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mark, isn't it possible you're a little quick to say "this could all have been so easily avoided"
and "this wasn't necessary"?

That assumes you know exactly why the decision was made.
But you aren't close enough to BB to say what specific money would get lost,
how it might lead to scheduling problems down the road,
and maybe more subtle issues that don't get posted on the boards
(or even relayed to Nathan, Meximan, etc.).

Even if you have all that info, the only way the conflict doesn't happen again is
if you can make a rational (not emotional) argument that shows why the decision was a bad one.

Honestly it reminds me a little of guys who say "ten bucks an hour for pool is bullshit,
he should be charging 5 and make it free on weekdays. He's just gouging."
They aren't running the room and have no idea what the monthly nut is.
They just want what they want, and complain when they don't get it.

 

[JCIN]

What soap opera best describes the current situation going on in the pool industry?

To me, it has gotten quite comical on here lately. We have all these cliques, leagues, organizations, promoters, players, and fans constantly conflicting via the "Main Forum" of AZ.

I just think it is kind of starting to resemble a soap opera. I have friends and associates involved in various organizations and parties whom I know are all good people. But damn some of the things I've been reading are quite comical. Sort of like if you could videotape yourself on a drunken binge and days later watch the footage. Your face would become red with embarrassment and you might be thinking..."oh Lord I've made a fool of myself." At least I know I've been guilty of that.

Does anybody else think this or just me? It's kind of like the little spoiled 5 year old constantly screaming, "mine" or "i had it first."

So what would the name of this soap opera be?

I think you are seeing what you want to see.

JAM went off the air completely but other than that there has been some fair back and forth.

Maybe you are right though....it would probably be better for everyone if no one even gave a shit about any of it in the first place.

 

[sizl]

Busted, disgusted, & Can't be trusted !

Gerald, any word on our friend the last few years?

I think of him often!
I hope you are well!

My take on the atmosphere around here lately.....
The BOLD, and the NOT SO BEAUTIFUL!