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Fatboy

Fatboy

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I have a cue that I love the looks of, its made by a very famous cue maker-not Barry but up there like Barry, were gonna call him for this question but I thought I would get some input here, I dont think its possible but I'll ask anyways, also its a $8,000 cue so you unbderstand we have to know this will work we dont want to ruin the cue.

Problem: Cue's forearm is made of a soft wood, not Koa but it is soft enough that the cue is like a old whippy Muccie, I have put Gus, Barry, Bushka and a stiff Tiger shafts on the cue stiff ones I have a pile of them to try and the cue wollbles with a slow long vibration when you palm it, when you palm a South West it vibrates faster and the amount of flex is slower<-----poor description but i'm tired and at a loss for good words. Point is no matter what shaft I put on the cue the Forearm seems to have some give and the cue has brutal deflection, I'm not a deflection junkie, I play with a Gus I love, I let a up and comming Champion use it and he said it had less deflection than his cue-I'll take his word, the problem cue it the oppsite.


To the Question: Is is possible to core drill a finished cue to stiffen it up, Changing shafts dosent help enough, I put some old STIFF shafts and didnt help enough. I have been into alot of cue makers shops over the years, and understand how cues are made, I dont think its possible to core drill a finished cue, the wood is really soft its a 4 pt cue, the points dont look like CnC.

Any suggestions?

Sorry for the long post i'm just tired. Please PM if you want to know who made it I dont want to say here, its among the nicest looking cues I own.
 
Fatboy said:
I have a cue that I love the looks of, its made by a very famous cue maker-not Barry but up there like Barry, were gonna call him for this question but I thought I would get some input here, I dont think its possible but I'll ask anyways, also its a $8,000 cue so you unbderstand we have to know this will work we dont want to ruin the cue.

Problem: Cue's forearm is made of a soft wood, not Koa but it is soft enough that the cue is like a old whippy Muccie, I have put Gus, Barry, Bushka and a stiff Tiger shafts on the cue stiff ones I have a pile of them to try and the cue wollbles with a slow long vibration when you palm it, when you palm a South West it vibrates faster and the amount of flex is slower<-----poor description but i'm tired and at a loss for good words. Point is no matter what shaft I put on the cue the Forearm seems to have some give and the cue has brutal deflection, I'm not a deflection junkie, I play with a Gus I love, I let a up and comming Champion use it and he said it had less deflection than his cue-I'll take his word, the problem cue it the oppsite.


To the Question: Is is possible to core drill a finished cue to stiffen it up, Changing shafts dosent help enough, I put some old STIFF shafts and didnt help enough. I have been into alot of cue makers shops over the years, and understand how cues are made, I dont think its possible to core drill a finished cue, the wood is really soft its a 4 pt cue, the points dont look like CnC.

Any suggestions?

Sorry for the long post i'm just tired. Please PM if you want to know who made it I dont want to say here, its among the nicest looking cues I own.
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Yes you have options but see what the original maker says, The value of the cue alone means it should not be touched by anyone other than the maker or someone he has a lot of faith in.
 
Fatboy said:
I have a cue that I love the looks of, its made by a very famous cue maker-not Barry but up there like Barry, were gonna call him for this question but I thought I would get some input here, I dont think its possible but I'll ask anyways, also its a $8,000 cue so you unbderstand we have to know this will work we dont want to ruin the cue.

Problem: Cue's forearm is made of a soft wood, not Koa but it is soft enough that the cue is like a old whippy Muccie, I have put Gus, Barry, Bushka and a stiff Tiger shafts on the cue stiff ones I have a pile of them to try and the cue wollbles with a slow long vibration when you palm it, when you palm a South West it vibrates faster and the amount of flex is slower<-----poor description but i'm tired and at a loss for good words. Point is no matter what shaft I put on the cue the Forearm seems to have some give and the cue has brutal deflection, I'm not a deflection junkie, I play with a Gus I love, I let a up and comming Champion use it and he said it had less deflection than his cue-I'll take his word, the problem cue it the oppsite.


To the Question: Is is possible to core drill a finished cue to stiffen it up, Changing shafts dosent help enough, I put some old STIFF shafts and didnt help enough. I have been into alot of cue makers shops over the years, and understand how cues are made, I dont think its possible to core drill a finished cue, the wood is really soft its a 4 pt cue, the points dont look like CnC.

Any suggestions?

Sorry for the long post i'm just tired. Please PM if you want to know who made it I dont want to say here, its among the nicest looking cues I own.
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E,

Some collectors, unlike you, don't give a rats ass with regards to how a cue plays, assuming their qualified (most aren't) to evaluate that property. Coring a finished cue is complex and, IMO, the results will be un-predictable, so, if you can't relegate it to closet/safe queen status I'd sell it.
 
I agree with you on this Adam. On top of that, the maker, if its the guy I'm thinking of, would likely either ignore the request to core a finished cue or charge 3K to do it. :wink:

Martin


ribdoner said:
E,

Some collectors, unlike you, don't give a rats ass with regards to how a cue plays, assuming their qualified (most aren't) to evaluate that property. Coring a finished cue is complex and, IMO, the results will be un-predictable, so, if you can't relegate it to closet/safe queen status I'd sell it.
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JoeyInCali said:
Putting a stiff shaft on a soft forearm makes it worse imo.


What Mike said.
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it did make it worse your correct.

thanks for the answeres gentalman, I didnt buy the cue I traded a car for cues(which makes them the mot expensive cues I ever owned) b/c the car was depricated. It was a good deal, I looked at this cue before ans it has the nicest butt sleve ever, or the nicest ass of any cue I have ever seen, It is very tastefully done but from 12 feet away it looks like a player cue, which is cool. I changed my mind about telling who made it it's a Tasc. it made with 14ct rose gold, the pin, the joint is gold too but has a woo work and some inlaysd sleve over it and the ring work, its not gaudy at all., All my cues have to play good-good for me, its subjuctive. But for me its important to be sure I like the hit of a cue before I buy it, thats why I didnt buy this cue a few months ago, but since it was a trade with other cues I made the exception,

i'm sure MARCUS has seen it as well as many others, I'm happier that could be with my Gus but I just cant check them in the air plane to travel and I dont have my own jet so I want to get a travelling cue, I have one being built,

thanks for the info I reaf in this forum alot but dont post much here,

while i'm rambling on, I would just like to tip my hat to all you cue makers out there at all levels, I admire your dedication and I know its business but there is alot of passion too, I aint met a zillionaire cue maker. The factory guys arnt what i'm talking about, thanks to you all!!!
 
IMO test fire it before you buy/trade it....
It really isn't worth the potential headaches that could arise from coring a finished high end cue. Trade her off on something you like the hit of better.
 
Fatboy said:
it did make it worse your correct.

thanks for the answeres gentalman, I didnt buy the cue I traded a car for cues(which makes them the mot expensive cues I ever owned) b/c the car was depricated. It was a good deal, I looked at this cue before ans it has the nicest butt sleve ever, or the nicest ass of any cue I have ever seen, It is very tastefully done but from 12 feet away it looks like a player cue, which is cool. I changed my mind about telling who made it it's a Tasc. it made with 14ct rose gold, the pin, the joint is gold too but has a woo work and some inlaysd sleve over it and the ring work, its not gaudy at all., All my cues have to play good-good for me, its subjuctive. But for me its important to be sure I like the hit of a cue before I buy it, thats why I didnt buy this cue a few months ago, but since it was a trade with other cues I made the exception,

i'm sure MARCUS has seen it as well as many others, I'm happier that could be with my Gus but I just cant check them in the air plane to travel and I dont have my own jet so I want to get a travelling cue, I have one being built,

thanks for the info I reaf in this forum alot but dont post much here,

while i'm rambling on, I would just like to tip my hat to all you cue makers out there at all levels, I admire your dedication and I know its business but there is alot of passion too, I aint met a zillionaire cue maker. The factory guys arnt what i'm talking about, thanks to you all!!!
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I'VE HIT WITH THAT CUE, AND IN MY OPINION IT'S THE GOLD THAT MAKES THE CUE WHIPPY. REMEMBER IT HAS THAT REALLY SOFT GOLD PIN AND THE SOFT GOLD BUSHING IN THE JOINT.

I WOULDN'T CORE THAT CUE. EITHER LET IT BE, OR MABYE WE CAN TRADE. DEPENDING ON HOW DEEP YOU'RE INTO THAT ONE.
 
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coring the cue

Don't core it. Toooooo much chance to screw it up. It's a collector cue not a player. If you can't put it on the shelf, sell it. Always test drive BEFORE buying if you want playability. If they won't let you test drive don't buy it unless you are willing to shelve it.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
 
We that have not seen this cue want to see this bad boy and please show a good picture of the gold pin, sounds like a very cool cue. Be a little more like Tikkler and show us a few new additions to your collection.

Leonard
 
I'VE HIT WITH THAT CUE, AND IN MY OPINION IT'S THE GOLD THAT MAKES THE CUE WHIPPY. REMEMBER IT HAS THAT REALLY SOFT GOLD PIN AND THE SOFT GOLD BUSHING IN THE JOINT.
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you took the words right out of my mouth.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I'VE HIT WITH THAT CUE, AND IN MY OPINION IT'S THE GOLD THAT MAKES THE CUE WHIPPY. REMEMBER IT HAS THAT REALLY SOFT GOLD PIN AND THE SOFT GOLD BUSHING IN THE JOINT.

I WOULDN'T CORE THAT CUE. EITHER LET IT BE, OR MABYE WE CAN TRADE. DEPENDING ON HOW DEEP YOU'RE INTO THAT ONE.
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makes mucho sense:yeah:


Although this isn't a factor for E it maybe for others: The scrap value of the gold (assuming 2oz+- of 14K) is apprx a dime which would cover the cost conversion to IV or SS + put some jingle in someones jeans.

However I'll reiterate that if I owned the cue I'd either enjoy it as is or liquidate.
 
i agree with adam. i think its ok that one cue plays bad. some cues are not made to be played with. the problem with coring a finished cue is you will loose center. when you core you start oversized an work from the inside out. with a finished OD you have to work from the outside in and it is very hard if not impossible to get the work perfectly centered. obv it will thorw the balance off.

can u post pics?
 
dave sutton said:
i agree with adam. i think its ok that one cue plays bad. some cues are not made to be played with. the problem with coring a finished cue is you will loose center. when you core you start oversized an work from the inside out. with a finished OD you have to work from the outside in and it is very hard if not impossible to get the work perfectly centered. obv it will thorw the balance off.

can u post pics?
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IT'S THIS CUE....http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=78992

THE HIT ISN'T OVERLY SOFT, JUST SOFTER THAN A NORMAL TASC OR A BUSHKA OR BOTI.

I'M SURE IT'S THE GOLD AND NOT THE WOOD THAT SOFTENS THE HIT.
 
The wood collar might have to do with the soft hit too.
Eric, if you tap the cue while it's jointed, do you see a lot of vibrations in the forearm?
 
JoeyInCali said:
The wood collar might have to do with the soft hit too.
Eric, if you tap the cue while it's jointed, do you see a lot of vibrations in the forearm?
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thats what i was thinking. i made a sneaky with a rosewood joint and it played terrible. then i changed to ss and it played really good
 
JoeyInCali said:
The wood collar might have to do with the soft hit too.
Eric, if you tap the cue while it's jointed, do you see a lot of vibrations in the forearm?
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yes, and like Marcus said the gold also being soft, the wood is soft too. I'm in the cue good like I am most of my cues, i'm not interested in selling it. I'm gonna play with it at home, my back is so bad that I cant play enough to get instroke so even if its not the "right" cue for me it dosent matter-i'm gonna use it, I use all my cues except the Barry "Tribute" cue. Last week I was using a SW I bought new in 86.

I like to own cues that play good and look good, what I like about this cue is until you look at it carefully its just a pretty cue, when you look carefully you see alot more. the butt sleve is amazing the pics dont do it justice. I knew the cue was owned by someone else then more work was done to it,, before I made the deal on it.

also thanks for all the replys gentalmen.
 
I just figured it out, I'm going to grind up 10 Viagra pills mix them in 2 gallons of water and soak the cue overnight.:grin:
 
Fatboy said:
I just figured it out, I'm going to grind up 10 Viagra pills mix them in 2 gallons of water and soak the cue overnight.:grin:
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:p :eek: :boring2:

No pun intended.
 
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