At the End of the 14.1 World

[Wyoming Will]

Thank you Fred. I in no way said or meant that a top 9-ball player will be a 14.1 champ in a week. I just meant that they could make high runs of a 100 or more in a week. If you run a 100 in a tournament you are going to win a lot of matches. I played all the games. Three cushion, 14.1, 6,8, and 9-ball. One of my favorites was 15-ball rotation, but I played 14.1 for years and know there are a lot of moves and shots in it that even a top pro won't learn in months much less a week. Johnnyt

I also agree that 100 points is too short for 14.1 tournaments. This is a World 14.1 championship

Okay, I guess I didn't explain myself well enough. When you said, "I've played all the games and feel at their level of play 14.1 is the fastest to learn", I felt compelled to reply to your message. Straight pool has a lot of nuances. Breaking from rack to rack is a beast of itself. Secondary breakshots are also very difficult to master. Only to the untrained eye would the game appear as the easiest to learn.

 

[Wyoming Will]

I agree 100 points is too short, but as I recall... When I was a kid 14.1 was king and the typical tournament was only to 100. Am I mistake or was that the case?

Only the first round is 100 points. After that, the game length increases. They do 100 point games becase the first round is round-robin and they have to get a lot of matches in.

 

[Wyoming Will]

W.W.,
Age is not the issue here w/ JohnnyT.
Let's see if I can put this "delicately"....JohnnyT is a very knowledgeable, street savvy, honest to you know who "tough guy" who is much revered here at AZB. Calling a man of his caliber "son" is sort of like the guy who sings the jing-a-ling for "Free Credit Report.com" (the one where they're playing guitars in the seafood joint and the old couple gives them a dirty look as they're eating) calling Frank Sinatra 'son".

I know you meant him no dis-respect, as I mean you none with my replies. It's just awful funny to read somebody calling a man of his status "son."

As one of JohnnyT's tush-hogs in good standing, I'll offer an explanation for his initial post. His thinking is if great 9 ballers like Archer and Reyes can run 100 after only a few tries at the game, then possibly other greats can follow suit.

Your point is that with all the nuances of shot selection and key ball and break angles, etc, that such a premise is ludicrous at worst and highly unlikely at best.

It has been done before, so it's possible for others to accomplish the 100+ goal. Something else to consider....14.1 is experiencing a renaissance of sorts and more & more pros have been trying their hand at that particular game. I'm sure that they've been practicing the weak areas of their 14.1 games, and I guess that when they break the rack in the tournament, we shall all find out soon enough who's capable of what.

And W.W., I sent you some good rep as a "welcome token" in lieu of the wrapped in newspaper carp that somebody may have slipped a biker chick a 50 spot to toss thru your window at 0400! :smile:

Well um, thank you for the warm welcome, I guess. Please understand, I love straight pool and can discuss it all day. Perhaps I got a little irritated by the initial post since running 100 doesn't just come with pro territory. It takes work and any one of the top 9-ball players that have done it will tell you that.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Book.....what book ?

How delicate of you Terry. :grin:

Son,

Please refer to my post # 65, in the "air barrell' thread. We here at AZB are tiring of your idle threats about some sort of "book".

Dick

 

[selftaut]

Thank you Fred. I in no way said or meant that a top 9-ball player will be a 14.1 champ in a week. I just meant that they could make high runs of a 100 or more in a week. If you run a 100 in a tournament you are going to win a lot of matches. I played all the games. Three cushion, 14.1, 6,8, and 9-ball. One of my favorites was 15-ball rotation, but I played 14.1 for years and know there are a lot of moves and shots in it that even a top pro won't learn in months much less a week. Johnnyt

I also agree that 100 points is too short for 14.1 tournaments. This is a World 14.1 championship

That was just a thought of MINE I typed, not trying to mince words at all. Just a thought after I -

#1 - disagreed on the 14.1 easiest to learn. ( I think rotation would be easier for them)

#2 - Agreeing that a top player will run 100 in a week.

selftaut<<<< Learns once again that yakking on the net doesn't always come out the same way as yakking in the pool room.

 

[SJDinPHX]

I have to disagree that 14.1 is the easiest game to learn. The top pro 9 ballers will certainly run 100 balls in their first week if trying/practice, but that won't make them a great straight pool player. It will take tons more than that to play 14.1 at the top level.

This has been bantered about before. Most top player's rank 14.1 third, after "straight rotation" and one pocket. Even Mosconi was quoted as saying that about straight 15 ball rotation.

Dick

 

[Johnnyt]

That was just a thought of MINE I typed, not trying to mince words at all. Just a thought after I -

#1 - disagreed on the 14.1 easiest to learn. ( I think rotation would be easier for them)

#2 - Agreeing that a top player will run 100 in a week.

selftaut<<<< Learns once again that yakking on the net doesn't always come out the same way as yakking in the pool room.

I could have explained it better in my post than I did. I shouldn't have put the easiest to learn in there either. All I really meant was that a top 9-ball player will run a 100 in a week and be competitive in 14.1 tournaments because he/she can run 100. Johnnyt

 

[Wyoming Will]

I could have explained it better in my post than I did. I shouldn't have put the easiest to learn in there either. All I really meant was that a top 9-ball player will run a 100 in a week and be competitive in 14.1 tournaments because he/she can run 100. Johnnyt

I can see your point then but still I don't believe any professional pool player has gone their whole life without ever playing straight pool and that's what i meant.

 

[Cornerman]

I agree 100 points is too short, but as I recall... When I was a kid 14.1 was king and the typical tournament was only to 100. Am I mistake or was that the case?

Where I grew up, 125 was the norm.

Fred

 

[Wyoming Will]

WW is absolutely correct. Who was it that only recently started playing straight pool? I think Mike Davis, but I'm not sure. Then he ran 100 on his first try or something (maybe at DCC?). The guy was famous before, not as "top tier" but as "top amateur." But then, as soon as he ran that hundred, everybody suddenly started saying he was a top guy.

...

Wait, that was in bizarro world. Sorrry.

That was Mike Davis' first try at the event maybe, not his first try in life.

 

[selftaut]

I think we can all agree that these players would be dangerous to say the least, they will be free wheeling with no pressure because they aren't supposed to run out, with their shotmaking ability that is dangerous. Scott Frost almost had the high run with 66 (Bernie had a 67) in the Arizona 14.1 Championship and admittedly not having a clue what he was doing!

 

[3andstop]

sort of like the guy who sings the jing-a-ling for "Free Credit Report.com" (the one where they're playing guitars in the seafood joint and the old couple gives them a dirty look as they're eating)

I don't know about all this 14.1 stuff, but I do know that the old lady in that commercial wasn't giving the young boy a dirty look. That was more of a dirty thought than a look if ya know what I mean. :grin-devilish:

 

[sjm]

I can't wait to see how many 100 and over runs the 9-ball players get in this tournament. I've played all the games and feel at their level of play 14.1 is the fastest to learn. I feel any top tier pro will run over a hundred the first week he plays it if he really tries. Johnnyt

The answer is just one, and that was Deuel's 100 ball run on Monday. The other 100 ball runs were accomplished by established superstars of straight pool Feijen, VanDenberg, Hohmann (twice), Schmidt and Souquet.

 

[Marop]

The answer is just one, and that was Deuel's 100 ball run on Monday. The other 100 ball runs were accomplished by established superstars of straight pool Feijen, VanDenberg, Hohmann (twice), Schmidt and Souquet.

Corey had 14.1 training from Jimmy Caras when he was sixteen. He has had numerous runs over a 100 so I would not consider him a 9 baller playing sgraight pool.

My answer to the original question is none

 

[Marop]

All I really meant was that a top 9-ball player will run a 100 in a week and be competitive in 14.1 tournaments because he/she can run 100. Johnnyt

According to JCIN Shane practiced 14.1 for a month preparing for this tournament and didn't run a 100.

Maybe thats why he didn't enter.

Maybe its harder than you think.

Maybe hes not a top 9 ball player

 

[sjm]

Corey had 14.1 training from Jimmy Caras when he was sixteen. He has had numerous runs over a 100 so I would not consider him a 9 baller playing sgraight pool.

My answer to the original question is none

I stand corrected. Was great seeing you again, Marop.

 

[Johnnyt]

Well, when I'm wrong, I admit I was wrong. Johnnyt

 

[Marop]

Well, when I'm wrong, I admit I was wrong. Johnnyt

Just having some fun with you Jt

 

[Johnnyt]

Just having some fun with you Jt

I know, but I just wanted to show I have to be always right. 2nd time this year, and I think it was a typo in the record book that proved me wrong the 1st time.:grin: Johnnyt

 

[Nostroke]

I could have explained it better in my post than I did. I shouldn't have put the easiest to learn in there either. All I really meant was that a top 9-ball player will run a 100 in a week and be competitive in 14.1 tournaments because he/she can run 100. Johnnyt

Chavez "The Mexican" just got 9th in the World in NJ and had it not been for 2 uncharacteristic misses, likely would have beaten Niels in the final 16 has never played a straight pool tournament. Didnt know the rules.

BTW_Chavez just knocked off the Predator tour event this weekend at Comet. Guys like Hopkins, Schmidt, Davis, McCreesh, Souquet, Dechaine in the fieeld and Nacho goes UNdefeted. Beat Davis 11-3 or 4 in the finals.