AZ 8 rated - Round Robin at Sweet Tooth Billiards

[BVal]

Im out.

After reading all the posts in the thread throughout the weekend I am really not interested in playing anymore. Let me know what you guys end up doing so I can watch.

 

[JasonCrugar]

first off

Jason, I suggest that you leave the fool part out of your post's to me in the future. I was thanking bval for getting the ball rolling and getting everyone on the same page.

dont ever tell me what to say or ill say it 500 times to your face i apologize if fool offended you. i will refrain from doing so now that i know it offends you this is meant to be fun and that's all i was intending. i love all the trash talkin and getting each other pumped up ready for battle. i am not lookin to start fights with anyone i just want to have fun. lighten up man first beer is on me at sweet tooth ahahahahaha

 

[JasonCrugar]

awe man

After reading all the posts in the thread throughout the weekend I am really not interested in playing anymore. Let me know what you guys end up doing so I can watch.

you can't quit man. if you dont play im not playing

 

[JasonCrugar]

i apologize

i just want to play. sometimes i run my mouth too much... but i love the intensity of everyone barkin at each other. i do not want to cause bad blood with good people over internet trash talking. that's not why i wanted to play everyone. i wanted to get the best 8s possible and have a hell of a tourny . this is my apology to everyone involved. i hope you all accept and we can play nice now

 

[JasonCrugar]

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Nice Post Lenny!

I respect Jason's game on the big tables. In my best game, barbox 8-ball, I think I won 7 - 2. It was over pretty much from the start.

I know we started this entire Round Robin idea as 8 players, everyone plays everyone, top 2 play for finals. But I know we have more 8's that would probably like to play. You guys pick the tables and location. If you want big tables, I'd say Bullshooters is your best bet. Race to 8 or 9, 9-ball.

Justin, to answer your ratings questions. The 3 games that are discussed for Rating Persons are 8-ball, 9-ball or 10-ball. Whichever game you play best on the best table for you is what you are rated at. Ratings are used for weekly/monthly tournaments around the state. You can't have different ratings for different games. The number of man hours to control this for the 1000's of players is too much to ask.

As far as the ABC verse the AZ Ratings, the more separation the better. Putting everyone in 3 categories instead of 9 seems to be stepping backwards. It would even be better if we were able to track stats for every match people play. Like John Casey does for his league at Bullshooters. If you haven't checked it out yet, I highly recommend it. They score things like you mentioned Lenny. Safes played, misses, balls made, etc. And it gives you a score. The problem in doing stat's like this is the same with every rating situation. People will stop playing at places that might move their rating up so they can keep making some money at other places that don't track everything.

And if you guys are playing on Big Tables, can I get in? I played Jason 7 ahead 10-ball on big tables and even though I was ahead the entire match, I never was able to close it on those stupid Metro Big Tables. I think I got to the hill 4 times and would dry break and watch Jason run 2 or 3 racks on me. The tables were breaking horrible with neither of us able to make a ball for the entire 5 1/2 hours. I'm a good 8 in 9ball on big tables. Let me know. Lenny can play too as his 9-ball game is 8 speed.

If it is big tables, then Sweet Tooth is most likely out as they only have 3. If we have more players than 8 then definitely need to do Bullshooters.

And if we are going to do this, let's make it $100 each to be worth it. Not too pricey to scare people off, but enough to make it more fun and worth it for those that feel they are going to win it.

you were on the hill 6 times. if brady will play again i will play on whatever tables every one else chooses.

 

[back2good1]

I think one thing that is over looked is different rooms have different ideas of ratings... An 8 at Kolby's will beat most 9's from Metro.

 

[Fast Lenny]

I think one thing that is over looked is different rooms have different ideas of ratings... An 8 at Kolby's will beat most 9's from Metro.

I think that you are right Carlos plus an 8 in Phoenix supposedly translates to a 9 in Tucson,dont understand it.

 

[justabanger]

I think I got to the hill 4 times and would dry break and watch Jason run 2 or 3 racks on me. The tables were breaking horrible with neither of us able to make a ball for the entire 5 1/2 hours.

My first question is, if Jason was running 2-3 racks on you 4 different times then why is he still and 8???

My second question is, if neither of you were able to make a ball on the break for 5 1/2 hours then how was Jason running 2-3 racks 4 times??

 

[justabanger]

I think one thing that is over looked is different rooms have different ideas of ratings... An 8 at Kolby's will beat most 9's from Metro.

I think there are quite a few 8's in Kolby's that play like 9's. Maybe they are hiding out in there but that Sunday 8's and under tourney is no walk in the park.

 

[bfdlad]

Kolby's Sunday 8's is tough action. I can't se why an 8 can't run 3 racks. I thought thats what an 8 was supposed to be capable of. Maybe I have been in the wrong rooms playing 8's. Please tell me where there is a room where the 8 rated players are not able to do that as I need a little $$ right now and I can leave in an hour.

 

[stuckart]

My first question is, if Jason was running 2-3 racks on you 4 different times then why is he still and 8???

My second question is, if neither of you were able to make a ball on the break for 5 1/2 hours then how was Jason running 2-3 racks 4 times??

I'd break dry, and he'd run out the rack. He'd break dry and I had no shot, I'd push or play safe and he'd come with a shot and get out. We each made a ball on the break about 5 - 10% of the racks.

Towards the end of it, I was just tired.

 

[stuckart]

I think there are quite a few 8's in Kolby's that play like 9's. Maybe they are hiding out in there but that Sunday 8's and under tourney is no walk in the park.

Many players have been hiding in Kolby's for the past 3 or 4 years. No rep on the committee and great players to increase everyones games. But now they do have a rep, and many players that play there are being found. Most of those 8's that play like 9's should have their rating adjusted.

I haven't heard that about a Tucson 9 being equal to a Phoenix 8. I know a bunch of Tucson 9's and 10's that play in Phoenix and seem to be fairly rated.

I had this discussion with a few rating committee members the other week. A year or two ago it seemed like we had so many 7's in the state, and now 8's seem to be the majority of major players. It's a progression and more and more people are improving their games. It wasn't too long ago that 10 was the highest rating and only the privileged best were awarded that rating.

 

[justabanger]

Kolby's Sunday 8's is tough action. I can't se why an 8 can't run 3 racks. I thought thats what an 8 was supposed to be capable of.

I can not remember the last time I ran 1 rack, let alone 3 racks. I must be a 7 or a 6 then.

 

[JasonCrugar]

there are several 8s

I think one thing that is over looked is different rooms have different ideas of ratings... An 8 at Kolby's will beat most 9's from Metro.

that play like 9s in metro. they just dont usually play in tournys. play ken, aaron,kalen, or mackay some. all really sporty 8s.

 

[JasonCrugar]

My first question is, if Jason was running 2-3 racks on you 4 different times then why is he still and 8???

My second question is, if neither of you were able to make a ball on the break for 5 1/2 hours then how was Jason running 2-3 racks 4 times??

like he said jerry would dry break, the very few times i made balls on the break came at the best timing as i would then break and run then break dry not leave a shot for stuckart and would run out again when i got to table i did this a few times. and we were playin 10 ball. in 9 ball i will not break dry and put a few small packages for you guys haha

 

[JasonCrugar]

lol

Kolby's Sunday 8's is tough action. I can't se why an 8 can't run 3 racks. I thought thats what an 8 was supposed to be capable of. Maybe I have been in the wrong rooms playing 8's. Please tell me where there is a room where the 8 rated players are not able to do that as I need a little $$ right now and I can leave in an hour.

i can leave in less time. i had a guy at metro ,that is an 8, break and run 3 racks of bar table 8 ball on me. i will omit his name since i haven't spoke to him, but that's the kind of 8's i play around. if you think metro's talent is weak stop in sometime around 5 in the afternoon. i will go as far as backing a few of em. see you guys around

 

[JasonCrugar]

haha

Kolby's Sunday 8's is tough action. I can't se why an 8 can't run 3 racks. I thought thats what an 8 was supposed to be capable of.

I can not remember the last time I ran 1 rack, let alone 3 racks. I must be a 7 or a 6 then.

if you are so am i.

 

[BigCat]

All I can say is Wow!

Moving from a system with 9 different ratings to a system with only 3 (ABC) would be worse than all the stupid people that recommend getting rid of ratings all together. I have no understanding of people that keep bagging on the rating system......

Jerry,

I don't even know where to begin on this. I have a million and one things to say about this post, but I'll only share a few.

It is obvious that you are a very opinionated person (from reading your posts and from what other people have told me), and that, in and of itself, is fine. Where I have a problem is you shooting off your mouth and making the above comment. I have been an open opponent of the rating system here in Arizona for some time so I can only assume that I am one of the "stupid people that recommend getting rid of the ratings all together".

If you think that I am that "stupid", then let me ask you these questions. How did I get to where I am today? Do you know me on a personal level? Do you know how hard I've worked in my life to get to where I am (personally or professionally)? Do you know what I do for a living? Do you know anything about me other that what you've seen online? If not, then how do you know me to be a person that is "stupid" or "not stupid" What evidence have I given you other than an opinion that differs from your own?

In the past 4 or 5 years, I have probably played in a total of 10 handicapped tournaments. I don't enjoy them. And I do think the rating system hurts Arizona. I look at other states and cities that hold frequent tournaments with open fields (New York, Florida, Texas, California, etc...) and their talent pool is just as strong as anyone elses, if not stronger.

But this is somewhat besides the point of my post. My point is that I can tell you what my opinion is and not insult you or put you down for having a different opinion than mine. If you've noticed I've completely stopped posting on AZPoolScene.com's forum for this very reason. In your online persona, you treat people poorly and often come across harsh, tactless, and extremely opinionated. It's too bad because when Ron ran that website, I enjoyed going there to read the news.

I apologize to the original poster of this thread and to all those who are a part of this thread. I usually don't hijack threads, but felt compelled to defend myself from Stuckart's comments.

Ray Robles

 

[bfdlad]

Come on guys, Sometimes we have to be a little care full of what we are saying and try otto insult others. I know we should all have freedom of speach and be able to say whats on out mind but we are a group of few. Pool enthusiasts. and in you twos case pool enthusiasts in the same town, please lets not get into these squabbles. This sport needs all the help and support it can get, the last thing we need is to turn on each other. Big Cat and been nothing but nice, kind and polite to me and with the good of the sport in mind and we need more around like that. Jerry is also the same minded person that has done nothing but try to help the sport. Therefore we got more in common than most others out there. Lets play nice and try and curb what we say or at least say it in a manner that does not cause this kind of thing. For what its worth.

 

[Bad Company]

Jerry,

I don't even know where to begin on this. I have a million and one things to say about this post, but I'll only share a few.

It is obvious that you are a very opinionated person (from reading your posts and from what other people have told me), and that, in and of itself, is fine. Where I have a problem is you shooting off your mouth and making the above comment. I have been an open opponent of the rating system here in Arizona for some time so I can only assume that I am one of the "stupid people that recommend getting rid of the ratings all together".

If you think that I am that "stupid", then let me ask you these questions. How did I get to where I am today? Do you know me on a personal level? Do you know how hard I've worked in my life to get to where I am (personally or professionally)? Do you know what I do for a living? Do you know anything about me other that what you've seen online? If not, then how do you know me to be a person that is "stupid" or "not stupid" What evidence have I given you?

In the past 4 or 5 years, I have probably played in a total of 10 handicapped tournaments. I don't enjoy them. And I do think the rating system hurts Arizona. I look at other states and cities that hold frequent tournaments with open fields (New York, Florida, Texas, California, etc...) and their talent pool is just as strong as anyone elses, if not stronger.

But this is somewhat besides the point of my post. My point is that I can tell you what my opinion is and not insult you or put you down for having a different opinion than mine. If you've noticed I've completely stopped posting on AZPoolScene.com's forum for this very reason. In your online persona, you treat people poorly and often come across harsh, tactless, and extremely opinionated. It's too bad because when Ron ran that website, I enjoyed going there to read the news.

I apologize to the original poster of this thread and to all those who are a part of this thread. I usually don't hijack threads, but felt compelled to defend myself from Stuckart's comments.

Ray Robles

Wow, thats what Im talking aboout, now we got this thing popping!!!!!!!!!!