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The one person/one account rule seems silly to some until they recognize what it is in place to prevent. There are two levels of problems which arise in these situations, one certainly more troublesome than the other but both are still relevant.

The first is the obvious one. Why can't two people play under the same account? Because they will likely have different playing styles (even ignoring probable differences in skill/understanding), and therefore any notes other players have made on that account are now problematic. It's not that they're meaningless - they're worse. If Player A is extremely tight and Player B is moderately loose (and they both play on Account C), over the course of a standard sng anyone with notes on this player as "super tight" is going to respect that account's raises more. However, maybe it's Player B on Account C now. This is an advantage that someone in a brick and mortar casino could never pull off, save for perhaps identical twins.

The second is the less common, but higher-profile issue - transferring accounts to someone else late in a tournament, to have a more highly-skilled player finish it out for you. Big money can be on the line here. Pokerstars recently banned two players and seized hundreds of thousands in prize money because player A literally sold his tournament life to player B down to 3 tables or something. Of course, this is not a $20 tournament - perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars are on the line.

I'm not at all commenting on what happened during the tournament, since I didn't see it. I watched a bit but had to go. I'm just trying to explain why this issue is taken very seriously by the poker sites.

- Steve
 
The problem with having lets say 4 people under 1 roof playing with 4 different screen names is collusion.4 people could just go into 6 player sit+goes all day,sit beside each other,showing their hands and win every time or most of the time.
This could never happen though as I have tried it.Me and 2 friends have entered a 6 player tourny,which was not an issue,played and talked on the phone to one another telling what our hands were.Did this twice and the third time while trying to enter would not allow us to enter due to them finding we were colluding.
I TOTALLY COMMEND THIS.....WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF YOU COULD...........YOU CANT.

This just justified to myself the protection that is involved with online poker.

And what I did,I'm sure a bizillion of other people have tried to do.
 
It can be done. You have to have accounts that are totally unrelated. Meaning they have never logged in under the same IP address or never transferred money between them. Then all you need is different internet connections in the same room, which is not hard to do.

The problem is that while it gives you the advantage of playing together (collusion), you are also laying odds on the money to the other players when you raise each other, etc....So a good player will take note of the pattern of raises and wait for a monster and bust both people. Over the long run, if the operation was big enough (ie. 8-10 players in the same room playing 10 tourneys each, or something similar) you could make a fortune. But on the short term with just a couple of people doing it then it's not worth the risk involved.

To take that a step further, a lot of large groups have done this and won several hundreds of thousands of dollars, but all get caugt at one point or another. If anyone is familiar with the player Justin Bonomo who is quickly becoming one of the best live tourney players around, he was making millions online using a ton of different accounts from his house. His main username was ZeeJustin and he eventually got caught and they seized several hundreds of thousands from him.
 
I'm just going to try to set the record straight.

Tony Chohan is a friend of mine, a good friend. We've gambled against each other, we've bet on each other, and I've known him ever since he was a pup. I'm not here to weigh in Tony's personal situation. I will say that it was not Jennie in the chat room last night.

It hurts to see people talk about other people like that on both sides. Usually, when people have something to say about somebody, especially in a negative response, men usually keep it to themselves. It's sort of gotten a little bit out of hand when grown men have to do what they do responding to others.

As far as me playing on Pokerstars, I play under Earthquake57. I am not going to defend myself to AzBilliards for any wrongdoing playing online poker when I haven't done anything wrong.

I played in this poker tournament because I thought it would be fun, cheap, and nobody gets hurt. Look what it got me. It was cheap and fun, all right. I'm not so sure that nobody got hurt, especially me. I got hurt in a lot of ways. It's not worth it. I have better things to do with my life than to read takedown after takedown.

So I hope you all get ball in hand. Earthquake out. And Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
 
The problem with having lets say 4 people under 1 roof playing with 4 different screen names is collusion.4 people could just go into 6 player sit+goes all day,sit beside each other,showing their hands and win every time or most of the time.
This could never happen though as I have tried it.Me and 2 friends have entered a 6 player tourny,which was not an issue,played and talked on the phone to one another telling what our hands were.Did this twice and the third time while trying to enter would not allow us to enter due to them finding we were colluding.
I TOTALLY COMMEND THIS.....WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF YOU COULD...........YOU CANT.

This just justified to myself the protection that is involved with online poker.

And what I did,I'm sure a bizillion of other people have tried to do.

Jimmy, to your first point, the system will not physically allow two people from the same IP address to play in a sng together. (This is a bit different from the one person/one account rule, where you're sort of on the honor system). It will, however, let two people on the same IP play in a multi-table tournament together. The reasoning goes that in a multi, you have no choice of where you'll sit, and in a large enough tournament, the odds of being at the same table are very low. I've always found this to be a bit murky, since if you both get very deep in the tournament, not only are you likely to eventually sit at the same table - but now you're doing it where the more serious money is on the line.

Interestingly, I've had this happen twice to me with my former roommate. Both times, we were forced to go all-in together (same hand!) because we were each dealt premium hands. At final two tables or something I picked up AK and had to go all-in, knowing he was behind me with AA lol. Had I folded pre, their collusion-detection algorithms would have been all over that lol.

- Steve
 
Lots of Pro Poker players get paid by the hour to play on Party Poker and some of the other sites. Some up to $30 an hour or more. Most of the time it is not them even playing, they let a friend play and split the $30 an hour rate.
 
I will be happy to give Tony his phone number. Go ahead and ship it. Then Corvette can ask Tony who was on the chat last night himself.

I spoke up in your defense last night JAM. There is no way in hell you could make as many typos and incorrectly spell as many words as the person on the poker room chat last night.:):smile::grin: By the way I sat next to Keith for most of the tourney last night and it was a blast. Tell him I had a great time and he is a good poker player.

-don
 
Lots of Pro Poker players get paid by the hour to play on Party Poker and some of the other sites. Some up to $30 an hour or more. Most of the time it is not them even playing, they let a friend play and split the $30 an hour rate.

Those are called poker props. Poker Cosmo and Club Dice, not even sure if they exist anymore, both paid me between $12-$15 an hour to play when the sites first opened. That was in like 2001-2002. It's not a bad deal if you can keep a full game going long enough and you are a winning player that would be playing anyway. Most of the bigger sites don't have props since they have a huge clientele anyway and they don't need props to keep games going.
 
I really enjoyed AZ poker tourney last night. even though I'm a terrible player. Would be willing to donate once a month. Rather have members here get the stew than complete strangers:smile:

Little sad this thread went the way it did:(

Was suppose to be fun. Now I may never get a chance to get even with earthquake for dominating my hand and knocking me out.
 
Even though I didn't play this time, I enjoyed the rail.

Maybe I'll play next time. :smile:

Now is your chance....I have another going this week....lets forget all this and move on...........LETS SHUFFLE UP AND DEAL.:smile:
 
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I raised with KK and flopped top set and bet out. Nasty had just smooth called my raise with AA. Anyhow he went broke on a K 8 3 flop. Honestly i would have called if he went all in preflop anyhow. I had 4000 chips and he had like 1300. The best part of this story is a guy said he folded a set of 8's here. Good play if its true.

Here it is,

*********** # 33 **************
PokerStars Game #35722106668: Tournament #213119891, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/11/22 18:24:35 MT [2009/11/22 20:24:35 ET]
Table '213119891 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 4 hole punch (1420 in chips)
Seat 2: Frankie436 (1345 in chips)
Seat 3: Nekrataal (1845 in chips)
Seat 4: ESEMKE (1540 in chips)
Seat 5: 1bignasty442 (1750 in chips)
Seat 6: MikeyFrost (1360 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: irkedyahuh (2945 in chips)
Seat 9: fwys_n_felt (1300 in chips)
Nekrataal: posts small blind 15
ESEMKE: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fwys_n_felt [8d 8h]
1bignasty442: calls 30
MikeyFrost: folds
irkedyahuh: calls 30
fwys_n_felt: calls 30
4 hole punch: folds
Frankie436: folds
Nekrataal: raises 180 to 210
ESEMKE: folds
1bignasty442: calls 180
irkedyahuh: calls 180
fwys_n_felt: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd 4d 8c]
Nekrataal: bets 330
1bignasty442: raises 330 to 660
irkedyahuh: folds
Nekrataal: raises 975 to 1635 and is all-in
1bignasty442: calls 880 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (95) returned to Nekrataal
irkedyahuh said, "wow"
*** TURN *** [Kd 4d 8c] [7h]
ESEMKE said, "lol"
*** RIVER *** [Kd 4d 8c 7h] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nekrataal: shows [Kc Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)
1bignasty442: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
irkedyahuh said, "AJ here"
fwys_n_felt said, "best fold of all time on my part"
Nekrataal collected 3770 from pot
1bignasty442 [observer] said, "gg"
fwys_n_felt said, "I go bust"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3770 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 4d 8c 7h Td]
Seat 1: 4 hole punch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Frankie436 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Nekrataal (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and won (3770) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: ESEMKE (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: 1bignasty442 showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: MikeyFrost folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: irkedyahuh folded on the Flop
Seat 9: fwys_n_felt folded before Flop
 
thats exactly why

I raised with KK and flopped top set and bet out. Nasty had just smooth called my raise with AA. Anyhow he went broke on a K 8 3 flop. Honestly i would have called if he went all in preflop anyhow. I had 4000 chips and he had like 1300. The best part of this story is a guy said he folded a set of 8's here. Good play if its true.

real players know when they make a mistake in playing hands i smoothed your pre with taffic! then the king! any wany i do it im going broke! pre post,turn, you had the stack. i had a great time! sorry to hear about the rest of all this! hope to play again! thanks guys!:smile:
 
Well since hes a deadbeat drug dealer whos going to prison, i guess the shoe fits.

This thread was fun. Thanks to those of you who ruined it this morning. Hopefully the game this weekend is a good one without any of this BS.

A "deadbeat drug dealer" you got some ball's brother.......LOL
 
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