AZB King of Cali...
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CrownCityCorey said:I am pretty sure you can be the king of $50 AZB Cali if you want to be, but that is worth about $0.0000000000000000000000002.
Perhaps it is of some great satisfaction to be the best player in your own home, but to make a public statement and challenge like this is arrogant and ignorant. IMO.
Nevertheless, enjoy!
Corey,
There's a few things that a match with Jaden could accomplish:
1. The $50 could fill up the gas tank on that 1970 Volkswagon beetle of yours.
2. You MIGHT be able to cool Jaden's zeal.
3. It might be enough to buy a few lottery tickets after you pay for the time.
JoeyA
I'll Play!!
So why do you have to have so many posts to challenge? I have been reading AZ for a while, just for entertainment purposes but I am willing to challenge. I will set up a time and meet and play anyone. I'm not that good but will play for low stakes, (100$ less per set). I live in the San Diego area and wouldn't mind meeting some AZers. Who knows I could be the next KING OF CALI!!!!!! HAHAHAHAH
Rodrivar
So why do you have to have so many posts to challenge? I have been reading AZ for a while, just for entertainment purposes but I am willing to challenge. I will set up a time and meet and play anyone. I'm not that good but will play for low stakes, (100$ less per set). I live in the San Diego area and wouldn't mind meeting some AZers. Who knows I could be the next KING OF CALI!!!!!! HAHAHAHAH
Rodrivar
JoeyA said:Corey,
There's a few things that a match with Jaden could accomplish:
1. The $50 could fill up the gas tank on that 1970 Volkswagon beetle of yours. It would be close, but I must us premium
2. You MIGHT be able to cool Jaden's zeal.For some reason, I doubt that
3. It might be enough to buy a few lottery tickets after you pay for the time. LOL!
JoeyA
Something my friend Jaden and many others do not seem to understand, IMO, is that playing for something you can afford to lose, is actually detrimental to your pool game.
I'll elaborate:
Playing for something that you can lose, is the same as already accepting the loss. One may enter a match say for $50 with the intention of fighting till the death for it; however there may come a point in the match, say you are down 9-1 in a race to 11 where you just go ahead and decide to accept coming in 2nd.
In order to improve, a player must, when faced with the above scenario, dig deep within him/herself to find what it takes to fight back and win regardless of the score or odds in doing so. This is where you develop heart within your game. According to Jose Parica, the only thing that seperates him as a champion from everyone else, is heart.
In my own pool game development, I have bet my last money, when rent was due, against such foes as John Schmidt and Billy Palmer. Could I afford to lose this money? Aboslutely not! Was it a smart decision to do so? Probably not; however my development took precedence in my eyes. The outcomes? One was semi-favorable and the other put me back to work for 4 years. Do I regret any of it? NOT IN THE LEAST!
I have been in that position many, many times. Where I simply can not afford to lose and must find a way to win. Did I win? Not everytime, but enough to be confident that I can win regardless of the score.
Example: My buddy Max Eberle and I had many 8-Ball sparring matches in and around the IPT qually's era. I had not been playing much pool when we started this and my 8-Ball game was weak compared to my 9-Ball game. Max proceeded to beat me up for probably about 5 sets of race to 10 (spread out over a few sessions). Then one day, when Max was ahead 8-2 on me, I decided enough was enough and I refused to lose this set. I proceeded to play virtually perfect and won the set 10-8. I was the first time I had left with Max's $$$ :grin-square: . My 8-ball game shot up ever since to where now, it is my best game, IMO.
To Jaden and all other good players that are looking to the next level, you can't get there without risk.
Off my soapbox...............till later
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Maybe if Jaden loses $50 it will put him in the poor house. I tend to agree to some extent about your take on gambling Corey. However, if you had a net worth of say, $100k, would you then risk ahead sets for say....$30k, 50k? Or would sets for $2k be considered suitable, or would that money not provide enough "sting" if you lost?
I'm curious, because having a background in finance and money management I'm aware of risk/reward in my gambling. While I want to be a better player, my "comfort" zone would limit me to probably 1K, despite whether I was worth $40,000 or $2.5 million. For me, losing 1K would provide plenty of "sting" if I lost, and a reasonable amount of euphoria if I won.
Regards,
Doug
I'm curious, because having a background in finance and money management I'm aware of risk/reward in my gambling. While I want to be a better player, my "comfort" zone would limit me to probably 1K, despite whether I was worth $40,000 or $2.5 million. For me, losing 1K would provide plenty of "sting" if I lost, and a reasonable amount of euphoria if I won.
Regards,
Doug
CrownCityCorey said:Something my friend Jaden and many others do not seem to understand, IMO, is that playing for something you can afford to lose, is actually detrimental to your pool game.
I'll elaborate:
Playing for something that you can lose, is the same as already accepting the loss. One may enter a match say for $50 with the intention of fighting till the death for it; however there may come a point in the match, say you are down 9-1 in a race to 11 where you just go ahead and decide to accept coming in 2nd.
In order to improve, a player must, when faced with the above scenario, dig deep within him/herself to find what it takes to fight back and win regardless of the score or odds in doing so. This is where you develop heart within your game. According to Jose Parica, the only thing that seperates him as a champion from everyone else, is heart.
In my own pool game development, I have bet my last money, when rent was due, against such foes as John Schmidt and Billy Palmer. Could I afford to lose this money? Aboslutely not! Was it a smart decision to do so? Probably not; however my development took precedence in my eyes. The outcomes? One was semi-favorable and the other put me back to work for 4 years. Do I regret any of it? NOT IN THE LEAST!
I have been in that position many, many times. Where I simply can not afford to lose and must find a way to win. Did I win? Not everytime, but enough to be confident that I can win regardless of the score.
Example: My buddy Max Eberle and I had many 8-Ball sparring matches in and around the IPT qually's era. I had not been playing much pool when we started this and my 8-Ball game was weak compared to my 9-Ball game. Max proceeded to beat me up for probably about 5 sets of race to 10 (spread out over a few sessions). Then one day, when Max was ahead 8-2 on me, I decided enough was enough and I refused to lose this set. I proceeded to play virtually perfect and won the set 10-8. I was the first time I had left with Max's $$$ :grin-square: . My 8-ball game shot up ever since to where now, it is my best game, IMO.
To Jaden and all other good players that are looking to the next level, you can't get there without risk.
Off my soapbox...............till later
CrownCityCorey said:Something my friend Jaden and many others do not seem to understand, IMO, is that playing for something you can afford to lose, is actually detrimental to your pool game.
I'll elaborate:
Playing for something that you can lose, is the same as already accepting the loss. One may enter a match say for $50 with the intention of fighting till the death for it; however there may come a point in the match, say you are down 9-1 in a race to 11 where you just go ahead and decide to accept coming in 2nd.
In order to improve, a player must, when faced with the above scenario, dig deep within him/herself to find what it takes to fight back and win regardless of the score or odds in doing so. This is where you develop heart within your game. According to Jose Parica, the only thing that seperates him as a champion from everyone else, is heart.
In my own pool game development, I have bet my last money, when rent was due, against such foes as John Schmidt and Billy Palmer. Could I afford to lose this money? Aboslutely not! Was it a smart decision to do so? Probably not; however my development took precedence in my eyes. The outcomes? One was semi-favorable and the other put me back to work for 4 years. Do I regret any of it? NOT IN THE LEAST!
I have been in that position many, many times. Where I simply can not afford to lose and must find a way to win. Did I win? Not everytime, but enough to be confident that I can win regardless of the score.
Example: My buddy Max Eberle and I had many 8-Ball sparring matches in and around the IPT qually's era. I had not been playing much pool when we started this and my 8-Ball game was weak compared to my 9-Ball game. Max proceeded to beat me up for probably about 5 sets of race to 10 (spread out over a few sessions). Then one day, when Max was ahead 8-2 on me, I decided enough was enough and I refused to lose this set. I proceeded to play virtually perfect and won the set 10-8. I was the first time I had left with Max's $$$ :grin-square: . My 8-ball game shot up ever since to where now, it is my best game, IMO.
To Jaden and all other good players that are looking to the next level, you can't get there without risk.
Off my soapbox...............till later
I love the game of pool and competition, but honestly, I wouldn't feel very happy about winning money from someone who couldn't afford it.
I beat a guy one time who asked if he could pay me later because his wife would kill him if he didn't come home with diapers for thier newborn. I told him to keep his money and I never played him again.
Sad but true!
Russ....
Sad but true!
Russ....
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Da Poet said:
It is dog-eat-dog out there and if someone can not afford the $$$ or the risk (not necessarily the same thing), they'd ought not post it.
I personally was never one to "hustle." I could not stomach it. 95% of the people I ever played were seasoned gamblers and good players. They knew the score for sure.
Really, it all seems to be about priorities. For me, in the past, is was all about my game and even ego. Then again, I am talking about years ago (almost 10) when I was single, which I am no longer. I still will not hesitate to put it out there and post it (UPA, IPT, "Battle"), but anymore I do have to talk to my wife 1st
. LOL!
CrownCityCorey said:It is dog-eat-dog out there and if someone can not afford the $$$ or the risk (not necessarily the same thing), they'd ought not post it.
I personally was never one to "hustle." I could not stomach it. 95% of the people I ever played were seasoned gamblers and good players. They knew the score for sure.
Really, it all seems to be about priorities. For me, in the past, is was all about my game and even ego. Then again, I am talking about years ago (almost 10) when I was single, which I am no longer. I still will not hesitate to put it out there and post it (UPA, IPT, "Battle"), but anymore I do have to talk to my wife 1st
It's best to talk to your wife first before she becomes you first wife.
Da Poet said:
Try me. I will only stammer when you beat me and the money? Well, just don't worry about the GD Money. If I'm stupid enough to gamble with you and lose and can't afford it, I deserve the azz whipping. I'll learn from it only if you refuse to give me my money back. Maybe I won't learn anything and am just a go-off so just go ahead and try me.
I might whimper a little but don't lose any sleep over it. :grin: JoeyA
I finally broke down and read this thread. Frickin' hilarious! If Jaden is the AZ King of Cali, then I'm the Queen! 
But please don't tell anyone I said that.
I haven't been playing for several months now, just going through one of my dry spells. I've probably played ten hours of pool in the last three months, most of it at Fatboy's pad.
I would be willing to try Jaden a little $50 a game Banks, if he will give me one week to get halfway in stroke. You did say 50 was the bet, right? We can play short rack banks for less, like $20 a game is fine. More of a sweat bet than anything else. If you beat me out of $100, I will declare you the KING of AZ CALI! How's that?
Oh, and we can play in the poolroom of your choosing. Hard Times, Hollywood, House Of Billiards, take your pick. As long as the table has six holes, I'll play. :grin:
But please don't tell anyone I said that. I haven't been playing for several months now, just going through one of my dry spells. I've probably played ten hours of pool in the last three months, most of it at Fatboy's pad.
I would be willing to try Jaden a little $50 a game Banks, if he will give me one week to get halfway in stroke. You did say 50 was the bet, right? We can play short rack banks for less, like $20 a game is fine. More of a sweat bet than anything else. If you beat me out of $100, I will declare you the KING of AZ CALI! How's that?
Oh, and we can play in the poolroom of your choosing. Hard Times, Hollywood, House Of Billiards, take your pick. As long as the table has six holes, I'll play. :grin:
Sorry guys,I abdecate
I tried to participate in a thread, a game that a bunch of AZers got together and created to try and have some fun. I've had several people questioning my ability of late and then when I was asked to post a thread after grabbing the title in the original thread like other azers were doing (in jest and to have some fun with some other Azers with some match ups) everyone and their mother jumped on the bash Jaden and his game band wagon and I tried to defend myself. Then I was accused of posturing myself up. None of the people who know how I'm capable of playing came to my defense and I had no choice but to try and defend myself. When I did, I was just accused of trying to posture myself up even more and then more people jumped on the bandwagon and it seems to never end. Now Jay Helfert is jumping on the bandwagon too.
I have never done anything to any of these people for them to attack me the way they have and it has gotten to the point that I don't think that I can even have fun participating in this AZ game king o the hill, so I have decided to abdicate the throne and I will not be participating in this.
Why would I, especially if I"m as bad as some of these people claim, declare myself the king of Cali for AZ if it was not meant to be in fun. I mean I would eventually have to defend the title, that was the whole point, to cause more AZer's to get together and have fun.
I thought that that was what this site was about, learning and discussing pool and having fun.
This isn't fun for me and it shouldn't be fun for any of you who have degraded me and my honor by basically calling me a liar. As far as any of you in San Diego, you guys make me sick. Most of you have seen me practice and know how I'm capable of playing and it is reprehensible for you to make a joke of me and to let this bashing take place without speaking up and continue to talk about me behind my back like you do.
There is a reason that I am an A player in your tournaments down there and have even taken down one of the open tuesday tournaments back when they were held. I played in what two? of those tournaments and took second in one of them staying on the winners side the whole way? Those tuesday tourneys were even longer races and not handicapped like your monday tourneys.
There's also a reason that I'm a 5 in the shooter's saturday tourneys and I don't always do bad in those either.
This board over the last couple of weeks has showcased the worst in people.
The people that I thought were my friends and that I basically donated money to, to try and get my money game back have shown their true colors. They talk about me behind my back and say things that aren't true about my game. It's really sad. I'm sorry that I won't be participating and some of you will use this as fuel for your crusade against me and my game saying that I just can't defend myself on the table.
It really doesn't matter. Think what you want. I know who I am and that's all that matters.
Jaden.
I tried to participate in a thread, a game that a bunch of AZers got together and created to try and have some fun. I've had several people questioning my ability of late and then when I was asked to post a thread after grabbing the title in the original thread like other azers were doing (in jest and to have some fun with some other Azers with some match ups) everyone and their mother jumped on the bash Jaden and his game band wagon and I tried to defend myself. Then I was accused of posturing myself up. None of the people who know how I'm capable of playing came to my defense and I had no choice but to try and defend myself. When I did, I was just accused of trying to posture myself up even more and then more people jumped on the bandwagon and it seems to never end. Now Jay Helfert is jumping on the bandwagon too.
I have never done anything to any of these people for them to attack me the way they have and it has gotten to the point that I don't think that I can even have fun participating in this AZ game king o the hill, so I have decided to abdicate the throne and I will not be participating in this.
Why would I, especially if I"m as bad as some of these people claim, declare myself the king of Cali for AZ if it was not meant to be in fun. I mean I would eventually have to defend the title, that was the whole point, to cause more AZer's to get together and have fun.
I thought that that was what this site was about, learning and discussing pool and having fun.
This isn't fun for me and it shouldn't be fun for any of you who have degraded me and my honor by basically calling me a liar. As far as any of you in San Diego, you guys make me sick. Most of you have seen me practice and know how I'm capable of playing and it is reprehensible for you to make a joke of me and to let this bashing take place without speaking up and continue to talk about me behind my back like you do.
There is a reason that I am an A player in your tournaments down there and have even taken down one of the open tuesday tournaments back when they were held. I played in what two? of those tournaments and took second in one of them staying on the winners side the whole way? Those tuesday tourneys were even longer races and not handicapped like your monday tourneys.
There's also a reason that I'm a 5 in the shooter's saturday tourneys and I don't always do bad in those either.
This board over the last couple of weeks has showcased the worst in people.
The people that I thought were my friends and that I basically donated money to, to try and get my money game back have shown their true colors. They talk about me behind my back and say things that aren't true about my game. It's really sad. I'm sorry that I won't be participating and some of you will use this as fuel for your crusade against me and my game saying that I just can't defend myself on the table.
It really doesn't matter. Think what you want. I know who I am and that's all that matters.
Jaden.
Corey....
I can see where you are coming from; unfortunately for me, I quit pool for several years when I was that young person who could afford to put it all on the line and back then I wasn't afraid to. I now have a wife and daughter and I can't take that risk. My family has to come first.
That doesn't mean that I don't take pride in the level that I have brought my game to and that I am not willing to take some risks to showcase it, but it does mean that I can't go risk five hundred or a thousand dollars to do so when that would mean putting my family's wellbeing at risk.
Thanks for your thoughts and I appreciate the advice.
Jaden.
CrownCityCorey said:Something my friend Jaden and many others do not seem to understand, IMO, is that playing for something you can afford to lose, is actually detrimental to your pool game.
I'll elaborate:
Playing for something that you can lose, is the same as already accepting the loss. One may enter a match say for $50 with the intention of fighting till the death for it; however there may come a point in the match, say you are down 9-1 in a race to 11 where you just go ahead and decide to accept coming in 2nd.
In order to improve, a player must, when faced with the above scenario, dig deep within him/herself to find what it takes to fight back and win regardless of the score or odds in doing so. This is where you develop heart within your game. According to Jose Parica, the only thing that seperates him as a champion from everyone else, is heart.
In my own pool game development, I have bet my last money, when rent was due, against such foes as John Schmidt and Billy Palmer. Could I afford to lose this money? Aboslutely not! Was it a smart decision to do so? Probably not; however my development took precedence in my eyes. The outcomes? One was semi-favorable and the other put me back to work for 4 years. Do I regret any of it? NOT IN THE LEAST!
I have been in that position many, many times. Where I simply can not afford to lose and must find a way to win. Did I win? Not everytime, but enough to be confident that I can win regardless of the score.
Example: My buddy Max Eberle and I had many 8-Ball sparring matches in and around the IPT qually's era. I had not been playing much pool when we started this and my 8-Ball game was weak compared to my 9-Ball game. Max proceeded to beat me up for probably about 5 sets of race to 10 (spread out over a few sessions). Then one day, when Max was ahead 8-2 on me, I decided enough was enough and I refused to lose this set. I proceeded to play virtually perfect and won the set 10-8. I was the first time I had left with Max's $$$ :grin-square: . My 8-ball game shot up ever since to where now, it is my best game, IMO.
To Jaden and all other good players that are looking to the next level, you can't get there without risk.
Off my soapbox...............till later
I can see where you are coming from; unfortunately for me, I quit pool for several years when I was that young person who could afford to put it all on the line and back then I wasn't afraid to. I now have a wife and daughter and I can't take that risk. My family has to come first.
That doesn't mean that I don't take pride in the level that I have brought my game to and that I am not willing to take some risks to showcase it, but it does mean that I can't go risk five hundred or a thousand dollars to do so when that would mean putting my family's wellbeing at risk.
Thanks for your thoughts and I appreciate the advice.
Jaden.
Sorry guys I abdicate
I tried to participate in a thread, a game that a bunch of AZers got together and created to try and have some fun. I've had several people questioning my ability of late and then when I was asked to post a thread after grabbing the title in the original thread like other azers were doing (in jest and to have some fun with some other Azers with some match ups) everyone and their mother jumped on the bash Jaden and his game band wagon and I tried to defend myself. Then I was accused of posturing myself up. None of the people who know how I'm capable of playing came to my defense and I had no choice but to try and defend myself. When I did, I was just accused of trying to posture myself up even more and then more people jumped on the bandwagon and it seems to never end. Now Jay Helfert is jumping on the bandwagon too.
I have never done anything to any of these people for them to attack me the way they have and it has gotten to the point that I don't think that I can even have fun participating in this AZ game king o the hill, so I have decided to abdicate the throne and I will not be participating in this.
Why would I, especially if I"m as bad as some of these people claim, declare myself the king of Cali for AZ if it was not meant to be in fun. I mean I would eventually have to defend the title, that was the whole point, to cause more AZer's to get together and have fun.
I thought that that was what this site was about, learning and discussing pool and having fun.
This isn't fun for me and it shouldn't be fun for any of you who have degraded me and my honor by basically calling me a liar. As far as any of you in San Diego, you guys make me sick. Most of you have seen me practice and know how I'm capable of playing and it is reprehensible for you to make a joke of me and to let this bashing take place without speaking up and continue to talk about me behind my back like you do.
There is a reason that I am an A player in your tournaments down there and have even taken down one of the open tuesday tournaments back when they were held. I played in what two? of those tournaments and took second in one of them staying on the winners side the whole way? Those tuesday tourneys were even longer races and not handicapped like your monday tourneys.
There's also a reason that I'm a 5 in the shooter's saturday tourneys and I don't always do bad in those either.
This board over the last couple of weeks has showcased the worst in people.
The people that I thought were my friends and that I basically donated money to, to try and get my money game back have shown their true colors. They talk about me behind my back and say things that aren't true about my game. It's really sad. I'm sorry that I won't be participating and some of you will use this as fuel for your crusade against me and my game saying that I just can't defend myself on the table.
It really doesn't matter. Think what you want. I know who I am and that's all that matters.
Jaden.
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I tried to participate in a thread, a game that a bunch of AZers got together and created to try and have some fun. I've had several people questioning my ability of late and then when I was asked to post a thread after grabbing the title in the original thread like other azers were doing (in jest and to have some fun with some other Azers with some match ups) everyone and their mother jumped on the bash Jaden and his game band wagon and I tried to defend myself. Then I was accused of posturing myself up. None of the people who know how I'm capable of playing came to my defense and I had no choice but to try and defend myself. When I did, I was just accused of trying to posture myself up even more and then more people jumped on the bandwagon and it seems to never end. Now Jay Helfert is jumping on the bandwagon too.
I have never done anything to any of these people for them to attack me the way they have and it has gotten to the point that I don't think that I can even have fun participating in this AZ game king o the hill, so I have decided to abdicate the throne and I will not be participating in this.
Why would I, especially if I"m as bad as some of these people claim, declare myself the king of Cali for AZ if it was not meant to be in fun. I mean I would eventually have to defend the title, that was the whole point, to cause more AZer's to get together and have fun.
I thought that that was what this site was about, learning and discussing pool and having fun.
This isn't fun for me and it shouldn't be fun for any of you who have degraded me and my honor by basically calling me a liar. As far as any of you in San Diego, you guys make me sick. Most of you have seen me practice and know how I'm capable of playing and it is reprehensible for you to make a joke of me and to let this bashing take place without speaking up and continue to talk about me behind my back like you do.
There is a reason that I am an A player in your tournaments down there and have even taken down one of the open tuesday tournaments back when they were held. I played in what two? of those tournaments and took second in one of them staying on the winners side the whole way? Those tuesday tourneys were even longer races and not handicapped like your monday tourneys.
There's also a reason that I'm a 5 in the shooter's saturday tourneys and I don't always do bad in those either.
This board over the last couple of weeks has showcased the worst in people.
The people that I thought were my friends and that I basically donated money to, to try and get my money game back have shown their true colors. They talk about me behind my back and say things that aren't true about my game. It's really sad. I'm sorry that I won't be participating and some of you will use this as fuel for your crusade against me and my game saying that I just can't defend myself on the table.
It really doesn't matter. Think what you want. I know who I am and that's all that matters.
Jaden.
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Jaden said:
YEP......we heard u the first time!!
For the record, I never bashed you. I simply offered to play the winner of you and frankincali' match.
Russ...
Jaden said:
I never questioned your ability Jaden. I really have no idea how good you are. If you can't tell my first sentence is in jest, then you do have a problem. You did say you were trying to have some fun, didn't you?
As far as the rest of my post, it appeared to me that you were actually looking for people to play you, based on several of your posts. I only responded to that. If I am wrong about that, I'm sorry it offended you.
From what I know of you, you seem like a nice enough guy Jaden. But if you come on here calling yourself the King of AZ Cali, you must know someone is going to call you out. If you were sincere in trying to stir up some AZ action, you accomplished that. I see no reason for you to take offense now.
Bottom line Jaden. Don't be so thin skinned. Go ahead and play a few of the people who have challenged you. Win or lose, you will get their respect. In pool, talk is always cheap. If you say you play good, you must be able to prove it. So go ahead, show me how good you play.
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