AZB King of Cali...

[JoeyA]

I Believe.

Playing for something that you can lose, is the same as already accepting the loss. One may enter a match say for $50 with the intention of fighting till the death for it; however there may come a point in the match, say you are down 9-1 in a race to 11 where you just go ahead and decide to accept coming in 2nd.

In order to improve, a player must, when faced with the above scenario, dig deep within him/herself to find what it takes to fight back and win regardless of the score or odds in doing so. This is where you develop heart within your game. According to Jose Parica, the only thing that seperates him as a champion from everyone else, is heart.

In my own pool game development, I have bet my last money, when rent was due, against such foes as John Schmidt and Billy Palmer. Could I afford to lose this money? Aboslutely not! Was it a smart decision to do so? Probably not; however my development took precedence in my eyes. The outcomes? One was semi-favorable and the other put me back to work for 4 years. Do I regret any of it? NOT IN THE LEAST!

I have been in that position many, many times. Where I simply can not afford to lose and must find a way to win. Did I win? Not everytime, but enough to be confident that I can win regardless of the score.

Example: My buddy Max Eberle and I had many 8-Ball sparring matches in and around the IPT qually's era. I had not been playing much pool when we started this and my 8-Ball game was weak compared to my 9-Ball game. Max proceeded to beat me up for probably about 5 sets of race to 10 (spread out over a few sessions). Then one day, when Max was ahead 8-2 on me, I decided enough was enough and I refused to lose this set. I proceeded to play virtually perfect and won the set 10-8. I was the first time I had left with Max's $$$ :grin-square: . My 8-ball game shot up ever since to where now, it is my best game, IMO.

To Jaden and all other good players that are looking to the next level, you can't get there without risk.

Off my soapbox...............till later

I am not in the least attempting to move your soapbox but had to respond to your post. :smile:

While everyone can be certain that betting your rent money or money that you cannot afford to lose is one of the highest motivators, there are others that are equally as high.

For myself, I enjoy competition at it's highest level whether it is gambling at pool or just tournaments. I have often been told by more than a few people that I have the strongest will to win of anyone they have ever seen. The same people say with reluctance and candor in their heart or maybe a touch of envy that I did not have the same talent as some of my competitors. There's truth to both sides of that. :angry:

"Heart" is not necessarily forged by betting your last dollar as there are many things in a person's makeup that can provide them with the will to come back from major deficits and beat the odds.

I believe gambling helps your pool game.

I believe that gambling money that you can ill afford to lose will motivate you to do your best.

I believe that gambling money you cannot afford to lose is a damned destiny guaranteed to happen.

I believe there are many other things that can help develop "heart".

I believe that there are players who seldom ever gamble or who do not gamble at all who have some of the strongest wills to win.

I believe the Saints and the Hornets will win a championship some day. :yeah:

JoeyA (dreamer)

 

[JAE]

I think Corey and Jay said it best. You can't get to the next level without risk. If you play as good as you say, you should be able to prove it. Perhaps your pals in SD didn't stick up for you because they don't feel the same way you do about your game. I have seen you (Jaden) play and you play well. But you might be demanding more respect than you deserve. Even CUBC came up with the 3K to play the TAR match. If you can't afford the action, no big deal. Your not alone. But if this is the case, you shouldn't shy away from it. This will only lose you respect in the eyes of others. But in the end it doesn't really matter. You know who you are and that is all that matters. Right?

 

[sixpack]

I think Corey and Jay said it best. You can't get to the next level without risk. If you play as good as you say, you should be able to prove it. Perhaps your pals in SD didn't stick up for you because they don't feel the same way you do about your game. I have seen you (Jaden) play and you play well. But you might be demanding more respect than you deserve. Even CUBC came up with the 3K to play the TAR match. If you can't afford the action, no big deal. Your not alone. But if this is the case, you shouldn't shy away from it. This will only lose you respect in the eyes of others. But in the end it doesn't really matter. You know who you are and that is all that matters. Right?

You have "AZB king of Cali" in your tagline. How can you not understand where he was coming from and what he was trying to do?

He was trying to join in in the fun of having a 'king of the hill' type ladder challenge where people play for a nominal amount to see who stays on the hill. It was proposed as a fun way for AZB players to meet and compete and give each other some grief on here.

He wasn't claiming he was the best player in Cali, he was just announcing that he was the first king of the hill and other players could come and 'knock him off' for a cheap set or two.

IMO the people who didn't take the time to understand that and give him the benefit of the doubt are the ones who lost respect. They just chose to get their undies in bunchies and take offense to it.

Jaden was only trying to be a good sport and then it got a little out of hand.

~rc

 

[MattS]

Jayden there is a reason none of the San Diego players defended you about how great you play. The reason is NONE of them think you are even close to as good as you think you are. That is the reality. Not trying to bash you. It is common in pool players to think they play better then they actualy do. Ego plays a huge part in pool. Your perception of your game is not realistic. You simply are not as good as you think you are. Here is some advise. If you actualy realized how much weaker you are then even the top local players you might practice harder. Your game might actualy improve to the piont where you would be as good as you think you are now. Of course then you might think your world class :grin-square:
Yes I have seen you play. I dont play much and you could probably beat me but I know I am not that good. Seriously you want respect? go play Louie, Victor, Tyler. beat one of them for the $$$. I am sure any one of them will play you a longer set for $50 especialy even. Now they may let you win a few games so you think you have a chance but thats how it is.
You sound like Mike Sigel only you play like .........well...........Jayden
not quite fitting is it?

 

[Jaden]

It's Jaden not Jayden

Jayden there is a reason none of the San Diego players defended you about how great you play. The reason is NONE of them think you are even close to as good as you think you are. That is the reality. Not trying to bash you. It is common in pool players to think they play better then they actualy do. Ego plays a huge part in pool. Your perception of your game is not realistic. You simply are not as good as you think you are. Here is some advise. If you actualy realized how much weaker you are then even the top local players you might practice harder. Your game might actualy improve to the piont where you would be as good as you think you are now. Of course then you might think your world class :grin-square:
Yes I have seen you play. I dont play much and you could probably beat me but I know I am not that good. Seriously you want respect? go play Louie, Victor, Tyler. beat one of them for the $$$. I am sure any one of them will play you a longer set for $50 especialy even. Now they may let you win a few games so you think you have a chance but thats how it is.
You sound like Mike Sigel only you play like .........well...........Jayden
not quite fitting is it?

I have and do play all of those players. I just played Tyler the other day. I lost two sets 7-5 and 7-5.

I know what Tyler's been saying that he was giving me games, but that's kind of hard when all but two of those games I ran out either from a missed break or a BIH after safetying him or from my own break.

I play Vic and I admit that after the first few games I'll start to break down. But Vic has watched me practice and not miss, so while he and some of those others, (not Louis BTW, I'm not including him in any of this), might not say it to you, (which is what I'm soo pissed about) they know damn well how I am capable of shooting but since they know I haven't been able to do it for money, there is no danger in them saying otherwise. But I know what they have seen me do and I know that they ARE aware of how well I can play.

I never said that I was world class except in Jest.

When I said that it would've been nice to have been invited to that tourney; it was meant as an inside joke to one of my friends. I realize now that judicious use of emoticons would've been prudent.

Yes, I admit that I was trying to also get a little kudos from some who know how well I play. Dan's exact words to me in the past have been "I have watched you practice and you play every bit as good as SAM" Ask him, I doubt he'll deny it.

I was recently told by a friend that some of those players not speaking up may be trying to give me a wakeup call that I have to step up and prove it instead of relying on them to back me up. I reacted negatively and got hung up on. I shouldn't have.

Ok. I'll step up. I will defend the AZB cali title tommorrow with FrankinCali.

FrankinCali, I trust that you mean it in the good nature that it was intended originally and although I will take it seriously, I will be good natured about it.

Jaden.

 

[Jaden]

I 'd like to hear anyone on this forum here this.....

I 'd like to hear anyone on this forum hear Dan Wallace tell you that you're as good as Sam Manoale and not get a little bit of a head.

I always thought I was capable of getting to that level, but until I had actually beaten Sam one day for money and then Dan told me that I was as good as him a while after that that I started to believe that I was getting close.

I then played in the 03 swannee and that's when I had my fateful experience of running out everything but the nineballs in my first match. I had 3 break and runs and ranout from somewhere on the table another three times, every other time I was at the table I either executed a safety or ranout and missed the nineball.

It destroyed the confidence that I had built up in myself and I've been trying to get back there ever since. So I have to stand up and prove it. I probably should've back in the day. Ok I will. I'm not going to go to San Diego for a while, but I"ll go to Shooter's and play Frank. I'll play CJ, I'll play Ricky, I'll try to play in the monthly at Hard times. I'll play where I can and get my money game to the level where my play is so that maybe will shut some of these people up.

So no more talking. Now it's time to play.

Jaden.

 

[MattS]

Jayden do not take this the wrong way. Again I am not bashing you. I think your opinion of your game is warped. If you could see your game from another perspective you might realize how far you are from Sam or ANY other A players in San Diego. Keep in mind just because you beat a sombody every once in a while, doesnt mean your at their level. They very well could be setting you up. With your ego if you were a gambler you would go broke fast and they all know it. It is very possible they looking to make a little money from you later. Or maybe they dont take you seriously so they relax a little.
Anyways the best thing you could possibly do is get an honest REALISTIC opinion of your speed and how to improve it. I dont know how many guys give lessons in SD or how they rank but I do know that Louie does and I have seen him improve many playes games after a couple lessons. I think he could help you get to where you think you are. It wont happen over night because you have a long ways to go but if you actualy listen to him and except you are nowhere near as good as you think you are and do the work. You game would improve greatly.

 

[omgwtf]

Mr. Wallace...

Dan's exact words to me in the past have been "I have watched you practice and you play every bit as good as SAM" Ask him, I doubt he'll deny it.

...I haven't asked him yet, but I believe you when you say he said those words about your game because you're a good guy and he is a good judge of speed. I need the 6-out and the breaks from Sam Manaole... May I have the same from you?

 

[JAE]

I have and do play all of those players. I just played Tyler the other day. I lost two sets 7-5 and 7-5.

I know what Tyler's been saying that he was giving me games, but that's kind of hard when all but two of those games I ran out either from a missed break or a BIH after safetying him or from my own break.

I play Vic and I admit that after the first few games I'll start to break down. But Vic has watched me practice and not miss, so while he and some of those others, (not Louis BTW, I'm not including him in any of this), might not say it to you, (which is what I'm soo pissed about) they know damn well how I am capable of shooting but since they know I haven't been able to do it for money, there is no danger in them saying otherwise. But I know what they have seen me do and I know that they ARE aware of how well I can play.

I never said that I was world class except in Jest.

When I said that it would've been nice to have been invited to that tourney; it was meant as an inside joke to one of my friends. I realize now that judicious use of emoticons would've been prudent.

Yes, I admit that I was trying to also get a little kudos from some who know how well I play. Dan's exact words to me in the past have been "I have watched you practice and you play every bit as good as SAM" Ask him, I doubt he'll deny it.

I was recently told by a friend that some of those players not speaking up may be trying to give me a wakeup call that I have to step up and prove it instead of relying on them to back me up. I reacted negatively and got hung up on. I shouldn't have.

Ok. I'll step up. I will defend the AZB cali title tommorrow with FrankinCali.

FrankinCali, I trust that you mean it in the good nature that it was intended originally and although I will take it seriously, I will be good natured about it.

Jaden.

Jaden, would you care to let us know what the game is and what is on the line. Will there be multible games and sets like an all around or are you just planning to play 1 or 2 cheap sets of 9 ball? You are as you say stepping up for the title so, give us the dirt dude. When and what?

 

[Jaden]

Sure I'll give you that.

...I haven't asked him yet, but I believe you when you say he said those words about your game because you're a good guy and he is a good judge of speed. I need the 6-out and the breaks from Sam Manaole... May I have the same from you?

I'll give you that and I'll play you for exactly how much me and Dan played for the last time we played.

Jaden.

p.s. I have never claimed to be that good for money, I have repeatedly admitted that I don't. I am trying to get my money game to that level but haven't succeeded yet and don't know that I'll ever be able to. I will continue to post up what I can afford to. I will not post up anything more than me and my family can afford to lose. My wife is a stay at home mom and I have the only income for our household.

I don't know about any of you, but I work full time, go to school full time (working on a second degree) and I don't have a lot of disposable income.

 

[hilla_hilla]

Sam's game must of really went down . He's going to need a HUGE spot from everyone:winknudge: . After that, he's going to want to bet BIG:thumbup: .

 

[omgwtf]

Interesting...

I'll give you that and I'll play you for exactly how much me and Dan played for the last time we played.

Jaden.

p.s. I have never claimed to be that good for money, I have repeatedly admitted that I don't. I am trying to get my money game to that level but haven't succeeded yet and don't know that I'll ever be able to. I will continue to post up what I can afford to. I will not post up anything more than me and my family can afford to lose. My wife is a stay at home mom and I have the only income for our household.

I don't know about any of you, but I work full time, go to school full time (working on a second degree) and I don't have a lot of disposable income.

...I think a lot of people have difficulties in their lives, many don't choose to advertise it on a public billiards forum, that's all.

How much did you play Dan for?

PS. I don't know about any of you, but I will be out of the country for a bit, and I might contract SARS or come back shorter than I am now with smaller eyes... but I'll still play. I love the game that much.

 

[CrownCityCorey]

I believe gambling helps your pool game.

I believe that gambling money that you can ill afford to lose will motivate you to do your best.

I believe that gambling money you cannot afford to lose is a damned destiny guaranteed to happen.

I believe there are many other things that can help develop "heart".

I believe that there are players who seldom ever gamble or who do not gamble at all who have some of the strongest wills to win.

JoeyA (dreamer)

All true!

Perfect examples of non-gambling wills to win: Thorsten Hohmann, and Ralf Souquet.

Neither of them plays pool for money (gambling); however both have committed themselves to playing the game for a living - realistically, a larger gamble than playing one on one for a few bucks.

 

[enzo]

Didn't Max just declare himself the King of Cali..?

BVal

yeah but put some actual money in the pot and perhaps the "king" would have been different, not that he wouldnt have still had a great shot.

 

[Jaden]

Yeah....

I played Dan for nothing.... For the love of the game.

Yeah. I guess that I just have an over inflated opinion of myself in all things. Intelligence, pool, poker........

I lie about everything too, especially when chatting in Webcast forums.

Like when I was chatting in that same forum that I told about Frank asking me to play and I told the story about playing in the world series of poker after winning a qualifier (the first tourney I had ever played in).

article from card player magazine and WSOP seat card. I would have never thought of posting this if not for all of these people questioning my integrity and honesty.

Just like with pool I haven't been able to play in many tournaments, but I do well when I do. I hope to do at least as well with pool so that the question of my ability won't come up again. But if I were to have claimed that I was a good poker player after this fiasco without this to back it up, my honesty would be questioned. So for those of you who may have only known me from the forum, I'm sorry that this has degraded to this level. It is ridiculous and if I didn't love the game soo much I would give it up. It doesn't take much imagination to wonder why the state of pool is where it's at with this being the level of people involved in it.

 

[hilla_hilla]

Dan's exact words to me in the past have been "I have watched you practice and you play every bit as good as SAM" Ask him, I doubt he'll deny it.

Jaden.

Dan occasionally goes onto this forum...

But for the record, he doesn't remember saying you play as good as Sam. He said he remembers telling you to watch Sam play. He said he told you to watch Sam play because he fires balls in and that your biggest strength is also firing balls in, and maybe you would be able to benefit from watching someone with a similar style.

I think MattS had some good advice. Take a lesson from Louis. He is a fair person that would be able to give you a honest evaluation of your game. Rumor is, he's a damn good teacher. I don't think you'd lose anything from it and if anything, it would help you.

Good luck, Jaden!

 

[omgwtf]

Supplies!

I played Dan for nothing.... For the love of the game.

I, of course, knew that was coming.

I will play you for almost nothing.

I propose 8 straight hours of pool at Hardtimes Billiards in Bellflower, on either Table 1 or Table 6. Every two hours, we can take a 15-minute break.

This match may be played during the next First Sunday tournament. We will keep track of the overall games played, and the percentage of games won by you and me. We will pay table time (see, I'm not even playing you for all of the table time!) based upon the win-loss percentage. Thus, if I win 50% of the games, I pay half the table time.

Fair?

 

[Jaden]

Sure; however.....

I, of course, knew that was coming.

I will play you for almost nothing.

I propose 8 straight hours of pool at Hardtimes Billiards in Bellflower, on either Table 1 or Table 6. Every two hours, we can take a 15-minute break.

This match may be played during the next First Sunday tournament. We will keep track of the overall games played, and the percentage of games won by you and me. We will pay table time (see, I'm not even playing you for all of the table time!) based upon the win-loss percentage. Thus, if I win 50% of the games, I pay half the table time.

Fair?

I can't do it this next first Sunday because I have to go up to washington state for work that Sunday. If it doesn't have to be on the first Sunday, we can do it another time or we can do it the next first sunday tournament.

 

[enzo]

Dan's exact words to me in the past have been "I have watched you practice and you play every bit as good as SAM" Ask him, I doubt he'll deny it.

but my question is, when Dan said this, was he inferring that he himself (Dan) plays better than Sam?? I haven't been down there in a while, but if these two are both in stroke and betting big im taking Sam (sorry sam lol), and if they move to a barbox well, i'll just leave it unsaid. I just laugh because it seemed as though years ago dan would proclaim himself the king of SD yet hadn't matched up with sam. maybe things have changed.

 

[omgwtf]

Hmm...

I can't do it this next first Sunday because I have to go up to washington state for work that Sunday. If it doesn't have to be on the first Sunday, we can do it another time or we can do it the next first sunday tournament.

How about that Saturday? If not, the weekend after is open, Saturday or Sunday.