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John, you really are THE MAN! Say hi to Bruce for me and tell him he has action when he comes back to L.A. I played him even for three days last time and lost three games total. And John we can play some again when I see you. A little weight will go a long way to getting me on the table with you :wink:. I always rated your game above mine. I think 9-7 was our last conversation, but I'm willing to play 9-7, 8-7 with you since I'm in a little better stroke now. Of course I will play Banks even, no weight required there. :grin:
I think age is finally catching up with me. Bruce and I are 4/4 going to ten after eight hours. I have blown several opportunities to run balls and I had to really dig in to tie it up the last game. Hope I get it together today.
Whatever you give me in banks, you get in one pocket.:grin:
Good one John. Johnnyt
So you two are averaging ONE GAME PER HOUR? I don't remember you playing that slow.
JoeyA
Okay, good luck to you John. You have a lot of heart to fly to Chicago to play Bruce. His safety play is very strong as I'm sure you know by now.
As far as you and I are concerned, we can make that game. I will play you even Banks and even One Pocket, one set of each. You pick the bet and you only have to come to SoCal for me. I WILL PLAY!
Joey, I'm ready to try you once more. I KNOW I'm a small underdog here but I like playing with you. You are a friend and a gentleman to play with. We can bet the same 500 as before. Just a big enough bet to make us both want to win. Winner buys dinner! :thumbup:
Or we can just play for 50 or a 100 a game also. I don't know about you but after a few hours I get tired and lose focus. That's why all my games here (except two) have been by the game. Playing Jojo the other night a Race to Three One Pocket took about 3 hours to play five games. I was exhausted afterwards. Getting old is a b-tch! :wink:
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I really enjoyed this thread, thanks Jay!
And here you are, across the globe setting up action matches back home!
Be safe,
Will Prout
Well Jay, maybe if you spent half your time in bed actually sleeping you wouldn't be so wore out!
KK9 <-- wants to go to the PI, sounds like a trip
if you're going to PI, Nov-Jan would be a good time. the monsoon season is gone at that time.
Ahahahahaha! I knew you would want to play again but I would never ask. Jay, you are always THE MAN! You got moxie! You too, are my friend and a gentleman to gamble with.
We'll do whatever you like.
Have fun in the Philippines. Learn some Filipino Secrets and let's share them in the commentary booth next time we get together.
JoeyA
I've been under the weather the last couple of days, so no pool for me. I did go back to One Side last night cause I was itching to play. Lulong greeted me at the door (he's a good hustler) and right away asked to play some One Pocket. No mention of Bank Pool though, I wonder why. I accepted his offer and told him we could play for 500 or 1000p a game. Naturally he wanted to play a Race to Three or longer for three to five thousand. I told him I wasn't feeling that well and would only play by the game. He declined to play.
A couple of other guys wanted me to play Ten Ball and asked me why I wouldn't play that game. I told them I wanted to play one of my best games, not my worst game. They kept after me to play and I told them this wasn't my first time in the poolroom. I had been hanging around poolrooms since before they were born
. I offered to play either of them One Pocket or Banks as well. No game!
A couple of other guys wanted me to play Ten Ball and asked me why I wouldn't play that game. I told them I wanted to play one of my best games, not my worst game. They kept after me to play and I told them this wasn't my first time in the poolroom. I had been hanging around poolrooms since before they were born
. I offered to play either of them One Pocket or Banks as well. No game!
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It's never cool here, but June through Sept. is the rainy season, so other times may be better.
Never be as Cool as Jay.
In fact, Jay is scrapping the Old Toupee Jay nic for the new one. Vanilla Manila.
Jay will have em running scared when they know hes coming.
In fact, Jay is scrapping the Old Toupee Jay nic for the new one. Vanilla Manila.
Jay will have em running scared when they know hes coming.
Off to Cebu today. Dennis will hook me up with his friend there who knows the local pool scene. Last time I was there (maybe 3 years now) I discovered a little pool room just across the alley from my small hotel (that happens a lot over here, there are so many hole-in-the-wall poolrooms). I practiced a while and asked about getting a game. I was told to wait until later when an American guy comes in with his own cue. The tables were basically junk and I had to use a house cue (also junk) but fortunately I had my little "tools" with me to clean the shaft and fix the tip.
Sure enough that night an older, heavy-set white guy comes in toting his own cue. I had gone to dinner and come back to practice some more. I was told this guy likes to play One Pocket. So after he hit a rack or two I asked him if he wanted to play. He took a look at me with my house cue and said sure, but he only wanted to play One Pocket. I asked him if that was the game where each player gets one corner pocket. And he said yes that's it (he had a little smile on his face). We agreed to play for 100p a game (yes it's a very small bet, but hey it's action).
He knew the moves fairly well and could make all the easy shots, but that's about it. He didn't bank that good and his cue ball control was medicore. I played my 'C' speed and still won four games before he gave up, telling me that he was a little off that night. The table time was all of 10p per game, so I netted 360p :wink:. He said we could play some more the next night but I never saw him again.
I'm sure there are good players somewhere in Cebu. I just haven't found them yet. And I might not like it when I do! My experience has been when they call someone in to play you, you're in trouble. There are some serious pool hustlers making a living in the Philippines. It would take an 'A' speed American player to beat a lot of them. I've already run into 8 or 10 guys who I've never heard of that play top speed pool. It's their job! I know you probably never heard of Bong before, but believe me a player like Mike Dechaine or Stevie Moore might be in trouble gambling with him. And this guy Koykoy is rated higher than Bong! Three or four other young guns have beaten Efren this year! The way you make a name for yourself over here is to challenge a top player. They all want Efren! Francisco gets challengers all the time, but he still rules the roost. He flew to Davao last year to take on Koykoy after he (Koykoy) beat Efren and Lee Van at Rotation. Francisco traveled a couple of hours out of Davao to play Koykoy on his homecourt. They were betting high (like 600,000P!) and Francsico got the cheese!
This is how Francisco spends his free time, WORKING! Dennis also is ready, willing and able to take on ALL challengers but very few even want any part of him. At least not without some weight! Every time I see him play he's giving up weight, even to good players. Shane has played a bunch of these young sharpshooters plus all the top guns as well. He is a legendary player over here, one of the few to ever come over here and beat some of the best players for the cash. But even Shane is careful about who he plays. He avoids Dennis, Francisco and Alex from what I've seen. He pounded Ronnie A., Roberto Gomez and Jeff DeLuna his last trip here. They talk about Shane with some reverence and ask me when he's coming back. I don't hear the same kind of respect for any other foreign player, although the young Brits (Jayson, Melling, Karl and DARREN of course) and guys like Niels, Mika and Ralf are also highly respected players. But only Shane will step up against almost anyone and bet his own and bet HIGH! That's how you get respect in the Philippines, and other places as well. :wink:
Sure enough that night an older, heavy-set white guy comes in toting his own cue. I had gone to dinner and come back to practice some more. I was told this guy likes to play One Pocket. So after he hit a rack or two I asked him if he wanted to play. He took a look at me with my house cue and said sure, but he only wanted to play One Pocket. I asked him if that was the game where each player gets one corner pocket. And he said yes that's it (he had a little smile on his face). We agreed to play for 100p a game (yes it's a very small bet, but hey it's action).
He knew the moves fairly well and could make all the easy shots, but that's about it. He didn't bank that good and his cue ball control was medicore. I played my 'C' speed and still won four games before he gave up, telling me that he was a little off that night. The table time was all of 10p per game, so I netted 360p :wink:. He said we could play some more the next night but I never saw him again.
I'm sure there are good players somewhere in Cebu. I just haven't found them yet. And I might not like it when I do! My experience has been when they call someone in to play you, you're in trouble. There are some serious pool hustlers making a living in the Philippines. It would take an 'A' speed American player to beat a lot of them. I've already run into 8 or 10 guys who I've never heard of that play top speed pool. It's their job! I know you probably never heard of Bong before, but believe me a player like Mike Dechaine or Stevie Moore might be in trouble gambling with him. And this guy Koykoy is rated higher than Bong! Three or four other young guns have beaten Efren this year! The way you make a name for yourself over here is to challenge a top player. They all want Efren! Francisco gets challengers all the time, but he still rules the roost. He flew to Davao last year to take on Koykoy after he (Koykoy) beat Efren and Lee Van at Rotation. Francisco traveled a couple of hours out of Davao to play Koykoy on his homecourt. They were betting high (like 600,000P!) and Francsico got the cheese!
This is how Francisco spends his free time, WORKING! Dennis also is ready, willing and able to take on ALL challengers but very few even want any part of him. At least not without some weight! Every time I see him play he's giving up weight, even to good players. Shane has played a bunch of these young sharpshooters plus all the top guns as well. He is a legendary player over here, one of the few to ever come over here and beat some of the best players for the cash. But even Shane is careful about who he plays. He avoids Dennis, Francisco and Alex from what I've seen. He pounded Ronnie A., Roberto Gomez and Jeff DeLuna his last trip here. They talk about Shane with some reverence and ask me when he's coming back. I don't hear the same kind of respect for any other foreign player, although the young Brits (Jayson, Melling, Karl and DARREN of course) and guys like Niels, Mika and Ralf are also highly respected players. But only Shane will step up against almost anyone and bet his own and bet HIGH! That's how you get respect in the Philippines, and other places as well. :wink:
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Hey Jay
..Quote from Jay's prior post....
.." So after he hit a rack or two I asked him if he wanted to play. He took a look at me with my house cue and said sure, but he only wanted to play One Pocket. I asked him if that was the game where each player gets one corner pocket. And he said yes that's it (he had a little smile on his face). We agreed to play for 100p a game (yes it's a very small bet, but hey it's action). "
LOL at that question.....Jay, for sure, every man has a little larceny in his heart...
..Quote from Jay's prior post....
.." So after he hit a rack or two I asked him if he wanted to play. He took a look at me with my house cue and said sure, but he only wanted to play One Pocket. I asked him if that was the game where each player gets one corner pocket. And he said yes that's it (he had a little smile on his face). We agreed to play for 100p a game (yes it's a very small bet, but hey it's action). "
LOL at that question.....Jay, for sure, every man has a little larceny in his heart...
Carlo is first tier now, meaning he is one of the top players. I don't think you will see many filipinos at the U.S. Open this year. Too many problems getting paid.
How strong is that.