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I watched him spear balls in and draw the cue ball back up table. AMAZING! And no one alive can do that today, not even Larry Nevel...

If this is what you are talking about he is actually pretty proficient at it doing it here 2 out of 3 times just messing around. It's only a bar box but it seems pretty evident a 9 footer wouldn't be posing too much trouble. Starts at 2:22.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtyPrgn2VA#t=02m22s
 
If this is what you are talking about he is actually pretty proficient at it doing it here 2 out of 3 times just messing around. It's only a bar box but it seems pretty evident a 9 footer wouldn't be posing too much trouble. Starts at 2:22.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtyPrgn2VA#t=02m22s

None of the above. What I mean by "spearing" balls is to hold the cue up in the air like you are holding a large pen aloft and shoot balls in the pocket. Not so easy to do and draw the ball as well. Raftis could shoot these shots from distance.
 
This is a great post Jay, have read it twice. Spent 6 months or so in Subic during Vietnam but never played pool, the rooms looked a little too rough, for a sailor to go into by himself. There were a lot of ways to get yourself in trouble back then, plus they had a curfew then also. Tom
 
I got sick as a dog in Manila after the floods. I walked in water knee deep a few times and picked up a bug. I've been laying in bed all day for the last week or so. I've been itching to play so last night when I started feeling better (FINALLY!) I took my GF to a poolroom not far away called Kiosk 8 Ball. I just wanted to hit some balls, I was feeling like I'm getting out of stroke after so long away from the table. And I was right.

First I played some Rotation with a local kid just for the game and after two games in came a white guy with his cue. I quit the game with the kid and asked this guy if he wanted a game since he'd been sitting watching me play. He said okay he would play me some One Pocket. Great, we racked them up and flipped a coin. I asked him how much he wanted to play for and he said 100p a game :sorry:.

This was my smallest bet I've made here but I wanted the practice so I said okay. The time was only 60p an hour so at least I might make a few pesos if I win. I won the first four games rather easily and then I must have hit a wall. I realize now I was just weak from being sick and on meds so long. He started to play better and I started to miss balls, all kinds of easy shots I hung up or just flat missed. We traded games for the next two hours and he seemed to play slower and slower, maybe realizing that I was weak.

Finally I said we can play the last game for 400p, double or nothing, since it was his break. He declined, saying he wasn't in it for the money. So that was it for the night, 1 AM and I was beat, dead tired. I won just enough to pay my half of the time and the cab fare back and forth. His name was Dave Meyers from Minnesota and he had lived there for over ten years. His filipina wife was with him and she liked to play too, practicing on the next table.

My poor GF had to sit there the whole time and she finally got a nice massage right in the poolroom; legs, arms, neck and back. Turns out Dave knew me as a billiard announcer and asked me when the next tournament was in Manila. I told him I didn't know. He told me the best player in Cebu was a 17 year old kid named Antoine Raga. He said that Ronnie Alcano and Roberto Gomez came there to play him. At first they spotted him but then they played even. Young Raga beat them both. That's how it is here, always some new kid moving up in the ranks. Soon this kid will be tangling with the best players like Carlo, Francisco, Lee Van, Alex and Dennis. They will come looking for him soon I'm sure. That's how it is here when a new player comes along. All these kids are fearless at first (except for Dennis, no one wants to play him, young or old!) until they get beat down by the top guys. I don't care how good he plays, he won't beat these guys yet, until he gets a little more seasoning.
 
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Jay, what's the dynamics of these up and comers? I mean, how do they afford table time? What kind of work do they do for how much? How the heck does a young Raga beat Alcano and Gomez? That just blows my little mind.
 
I got sick as a dog in Manila after the floods. I walked in water knee deep a few times and picked up a bug. I've been laying in bed all day for the last week or so. I've been itching to play so last night when I started feeling better (FINALLY!) I took my GF to a poolroom not far away called Kiosk 8 Ball. I just wanted to hit some balls, I was feeling like I'm getting out of stroke after so long away from the table. And I was right.

First I played some Rotation with a local kid just for the game and after two games in came a white guy with his cue. I quit the game with the kid and asked this guy if he wanted a game since he'd been sitting watching me play. He said okay he would play me some One Pocket. Great, we racked them up and flipped a coin. I asked him how much he wanted to play for and he said 100p a game :sorry:.

This was my smallest bet I've made here but I wanted the practice so I said okay. The time was only 60p an hour so at least I might make a few pesos if I win. I won the first four games rather easily and then I must have hit a wall
. I realize now I was just weak from being sick and on meds so long. He started to play better and I started to miss balls, all kinds of easy shots I hung up or just flat missed. We traded games for the next two hours and he seemed to play slower and slower, maybe realizing that I was weak.

Finally I said we can play the last game for 400p, double or nothing, since it was his break. He declined, saying he wasn't in it for the money. So that was it for the night, 1 AM and I was beat, dead tired. I won just enough to pay my half of the time and the cab fare back and forth. His name was Dave Meyers from Minnesota and he had lived there for over ten years. His filipina wife was with him and she liked to play too, practicing on the next table.

My poor GF had to sit there the whole time and she finally got a nice massage right in the poolroom; legs, arms, neck and back. Turns out Dave knew me as a billiard announcer and asked me when the next tournament was in Manila. I told him I didn't know. He told me the best player in Cebu was a 17 year old kid named Antoine Raga. He said that Ronnie Alcano and Roberto Gomez came there to play him. At first they spotted him but then they played even. Young Raga beat them both. That's how it is here, always some new kid moving up in the ranks. Soon this kid will be tangling with the best players like Carlo, Francisco, Lee Van, Alex and Dennis. They will come looking for him soon I'm sure. That's how it is here when a new player comes along. All these kids are fearless at first (except for Dennis, no one wants to play him, young or old!) until they get beat down by the top guys. I don't care how good he plays, he won't beat these guys yet, until he gets a little more seasoning.

I need you to manage MY MONEY! :smile:
JoeyA
 
A few random thoughts since I haven't played any pool the last couple of days. I lost a lot of confidence after that match in Cebu. I won but I felt like I stunk!

If you think traffic in Los Angeles is bad, then you wouldn't believe the every day traffic here. HORRENDOUS does not even begin to do justice to navigating these mean streets. Riding in a cab is like participating in a demolition derby, and trying to avoid all the other cars heading in your direction. It's scary just to sit in the back seat and watch. These cab drivers would make excellent race car drivers! It's like one long obstacle course with our cabbie bobbing and weaving his way around the track. Buses, taxis, trucks, trikes and even bicycles all bouncing around from lane to lane (actually there are no lanes per se), all barely missing each other with only inches to spare. How there are not more accidents I don't know. I mean they are all literally within inches of each other and then you throw some crazy pedestrians into the mix.

People actually walk between vehicles while crossing these very busy streets. They seem to have some form of immunity and have faith the drivers will slow to let them pass. It's amazing to see so many people walking in and around moving vehicles. I've learned to do it as well, using my best New York style jaywalking tricks to get across the street. I move a little faster than a filipino though! When I see a young woman walk between two large buses, my heart goes up in my throat. If one driver does not see her, she would be crushed. If there was road rage here, a thousand people a day would get shot. Taxis cut off buses and trucks with a mere beep of the horn. Slow moving trikes will block all traffic to cut across four lanes of moving vehicles to make a turn. Bicylists ride on busy streets right along with the flow of traffic and after hearing multiple horn beeps may move over two or three feet just to barely allow enough room for a car to pass. In the good ole USA they would be run down rather quickly! To say it's crazy is a massive understatement. I never want to own a car or motorbike and drive here!

There are well armed guards everywhere! Every hotel has an armed doorman (or two). Every 7/11 and convenience store has one as well. In front of banking institutions you usually see two heavily armed guards and one more inside the doorway. Shotguns (loaded and ready) and M-16's seem to be the weapon of choice for these guys. They always appear so casual to me, even holding the door for me when I enter. They know foreigners are not the ones to worry about here. The filipino robbers are also well armed (.45 caliber pistols their weapon of choice) and usually work in teams of four or six, aboard motorcycles (two per bike - a driver and a gunman) for fast getaways. They also mean business, bullets often fly and there is usually a body count after a major robbery. Armored cars seem to be the favored targets and they also have two or three well armed guys inside.

Most murders here are often politically motivated, all about money and power. I'd rather not comment too much on this subject as journalists are often the target. I'm sure there are far more murders in Manila every year than any city in the USA. Fortunately foreigners are rarely the target. They prefer to get our money by deception or selling bogus goods, like fake Viagra, Cialis or U.S. sliver dollars made in China out of lead and silver plated. All the best fakes come from China, who knock off everything and anything of value, like watches, purses, shoes etc. etc. I have been successfully pick pocketed on the commuter train and jeepney. Both times I got off easy as they missed the real money which I keep well hidden.

You must be constantly on your guard over here for petty thievery. I was on a jeepney the other day that was stuck in traffic. A lady across from me was talking on an expensive I-Phone and a guy reached in the open side of the jeep (he was walking alongside us) and grabbed for it. He almost got it too, fumbling when he had it in his hand, the phone falling back onto the floor of the jeep. The guy quickly disappeared into the crowd. The lady picked up her phone, visibly trembling. I purposely dress down here (shorts and tank top) and carry a cheap phone, worth maybe $20. The thieves aren't after junk like that. But if I've been shopping (like yesterday with my daughter) I keep a tight grip on our bags. When we travel in the trike afterward and I put the large bag carrying all her new clothes on the back, I hold the strap in my hand at all times. To leave it unattended is to invite a thief to make a grab for it.

It's just how life is here and I accept the good with the bad. All my years of poolroom education hold me in good stead here. It's the more well heeled visitors who are targeted more often here. The ones who stay in the upscale hotels, wear expensive clothes, drive (or have a driver) expensive cars and live in gated communities. I prefer to remain as low key as possible, living among the filipinos and not apart from them. I walk these streets every day and hear comments like "Hey Joe" all the time. I look them in the eye and may parry back a Hey Joe to them. I walk past the street hustlers with a firm 'no thanks' and rarely give money to the street beggars, although I will ocassionally give a coin to a kid or two. By now I'm a familar face in Pasay where my daughter lives, some people even referring to me as the Billiard Guy. I've played pool in every little poolroom in Pasay by now, many of them now closed with new ones constantly opening.

The great majority of the people are genuinely friendly and fun to talk to and banter with. Even some of the 'outlaws' are fun for me to kid around with. I joke with them too, defusing any threat to me. They know I like to play pool for money and they respect that. Very few foreigners will ever play in the poolrooms I go to. Many of these places are hang outs for young thugs, kind of reminds me of my youth in Dayton and Cincy. I've gambled with all the young neighborhood champs, playing Rotation, with many of the local tough guys betting against me. I play hard and I play fair, never giving an inch on the pool table. That's how I've earned my respect over here, both winning and losing. I wouldn't have it any other way. I hope I can go out the same way I came in, putting my ass on the line every day. I guess I just like living on the edge. That's where life really is, when you're putting something at risk. That's why people skydive, race cars and motorbikes, and get in the ring. For me it's a hot pool game in some dive for 500P a game and a big crowd sweating every shot. That's how I get my nuts off!
 
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hey Jay...

you are such a Great Pleasure to read...

i read you were sick and i am sri for that but i hope you know that a thousand of us were waiting Everyday for another story.

today wasn't about pool, but nonetheless it still was a Great Read!

we don't know how many days you have left on your visa, but pls don't get sick again and post a story everyday; pls!

all the best and travel safe,
smokey
 
you are such a Great Pleasure to read...

i read you were sick and i am sri for that but i hope you know that a thousand of us were waiting Everyday for another story.

today wasn't about pool, but nonetheless it still was a Great Read!

we don't know how many days you have left on your visa, but pls don't get sick again and post a story everyday; pls!

all the best and travel safe,
smokey

Thnx Smokey. feeling much better now. I had my teeth cleaned today for 500P by an excellent dentist. It would cost five to ten times that much in the states. She really thoroughly cleaned my whole mouth, tongue and all.

The quality of medical care here is excellent and very inexpensive by our standards. It is all pay as you go. If you have money you will be well cared for. I had a serious nerve condition with my leg two years ago, that brought me to the hospital. I was having trouble just walking. They gave me several tests and referred me to a specialist. Total cost for the doctor, tests and medicine was less than $200. It would have been easily thousands in the USA.
 
Thanks for the great reports, Jay. You have all the ingredients for a new book: Pool Wars II: The Philippines. ;)
 
Went to a PBA game last night. That's the highest level pro basketball league here. They love B-Ball in the Philippines. The level of play is probably comparable to Division One college ball in the USA. They play an up-tempo game, with a lot of running and gunning. Definitely exciting to watch. The big men here are in the 6'7 to 6'9 range and each team has a couple of "imports", usually former NBA fringe players.

The biggest difference I noticed was they just don't have all the good outside shooters as the NBA and they don't have guys with a soft touch around the rim. But each team has at least two good shot-makers who score most of the points. The best players are usually the point guard or a shooting guard. These guys could hold their own in the NBA, the all-stars in this league. I was impressed with a couple of players on each team. They were seasoned vets who really knew the game and how to score and make good assists. Passing tends to be sharp and accurate.

I got a ringside seat for 600p and that was for a doubleheader! The fans are really enthusiastic and I noticed many gays and girly boys in the crowd. They love their players (it must be a thrill for them, all these big sweaty men). The highlight of the first game was a brawl that broke out in the third quarter. And I mean a knockdown drag-out fight, with fists flying and bodies rolling on the floor. It was worthy of an NHL hockey game, without the pads. The crowd loved it, going crazy and cheering wildly. The fight lasted a couple of minutes before security could break it up. They continued to show it in replays on the big screen with more wild cheering. After the refs could calm the tempers, two guys got thrown out, two more were assessed double fouls and technicals were called on each team.
 
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A few random thoughts since I haven't played any pool the last couple of days. I lost a lot of confidence after that match in Cebu. I won but I felt like I stunk!

If you think traffic in Los Angeles is bad, then you wouldn't believe the every day traffic here. HORRENDOUS does not even begin to do justice to navigating these mean streets. Riding in a cab is like participating in a demolition derby, and trying to avoid all the other cars heading in your direction. It's scary just to sit in the back seat and watch. These cab drivers would make excellent race car drivers! It's like one long obstacle course with our cabbie bobbing and weaving his way around the track. Buses, taxis, trucks, trikes and even bicycles all bouncing around from lane to lane (actually there are no lanes per se), all barely missing each other with only inches to spare. How there are not more accidents I don't know. I mean they are all literally within inches of each other and then you throw some crazy pedestrians into the mix.

People actually walk between vehicles while crossing these very busy streets. They seem to have some form of immunity and have faith the drivers will slow to let them pass. It's amazing to see so many people walking in and around moving vehicles. I've learned to do it as well, using my best New York style jaywalking tricks to get across the street. I move a little faster than a filipino though! When I see a young woman walk between two large buses, my heart goes up in my throat. If one driver does not see her, she would be crushed. If there was road rage here, a thousand people a day would get shot. Taxis cut off buses and trucks with a mere beep of the horn. Slow moving trikes will block all traffic to cut across four lanes of moving vehicles to make a turn. Bicylists ride on busy streets right along with the flow of traffic and after hearing multiple horn beeps may move over two or three feet just to barely allow enough room for a car to pass. In the good ole USA they would be run down rather quickly! To say it's crazy is a massive understatement. I never want to own a car or motorbike and drive here!

There are well armed guards everywhere! Every hotel has an armed doorman (or two). Every 7/11 and convenience store has one as well. In front of banking institutions you usually see two heavily armed guards and one more inside the doorway. Shotguns (loaded and ready) and M-16's seem to be the weapon of choice for these guys. They always appear so casual to me, even holding the door for me when I enter. They know foreigners are not the ones to worry about here. The filipino robbers are also well armed (.45 caliber pistols their weapon of choice) and usually work in teams of four or six, aboard motorcycles (two per bike - a driver and a gunman) for fast getaways. They also mean business, bullets often fly and there is usually a body count after a major robbery. Armored cars seem to be the favored targets and they also have two or three well armed guys inside.

Most murders here are often politically motivated, all about money and power. I'd rather not comment too much on this subject as journalists are often the target. I'm sure there are far more murders in Manila every year than any city in the USA. Fortunately foreigners are rarely the target. They prefer to get our money by deception or selling bogus goods, like fake Viagra, Cialis or U.S. sliver dollars made in China out of lead and silver plated. All the best fakes come from China, who knock off everything and anything of value, like watches, purses, shoes etc. etc. I have been successfully pick pocketed on the commuter train and jeepney. Both times I got off easy as they missed the real money which I keep well hidden.

You must be constantly on your guard over here for petty thievery. I was on a jeepney the other day that was stuck in traffic. A lady across from me was talking on an expensive I-Phone and a guy reached in the open side of the jeep (he was walking alongside us) and grabbed for it. He almost got it too, fumbling when he had it in his hand, the phone falling back onto the floor of the jeep. The guy quickly disappeared into the crowd. The lady picked up her phone, visibly trembling. I purposely dress down here (shorts and tank top) and carry a cheap phone, worth maybe $20. The thieves aren't after junk like that. But if I've been shopping (like yesterday with my daughter) I keep a tight grip on our bags. When we travel in the trike afterward and I put the large bag carrying all her new clothes on the back, I hold the strap in my hand at all times. To leave it unattended is to invite a thief to make a grab for it.

It's just how life is here and I accept the good with the bad. All my years of poolroom education hold me in good stead here. It's the more well heeled visitors who are targeted more often here. The ones who stay in the upscale hotels, wear expensive clothes, drive (or have a driver) expensive cars and live in gated communities. I prefer to remain as low key as possible, living among the filipinos and not apart from them. I walk these streets every day and hear comments like "Hey Joe" all the time. I look them in the eye and may parry back a Hey Joe to them. I walk past the street hustlers with a firm 'no thanks' and rarely give money to the street beggars, although I will ocassionally give a coin to a kid or two. By now I'm a familar face in Pasay where my daughter lives, some people even referring to me as the Billiard Guy. I've played pool in every little poolroom in Pasay by now, many of them now closed with new ones constantly opening.

The great majority of the people are genuinely friendly and fun to talk to and banter with. Even some of the 'outlaws' are fun for me to kid around with. I joke with them too, defusing any threat to me. They know I like to play pool for money and they respect that. Very few foreigners will ever play in the poolrooms I go to. Many of these places are hang outs for young thugs, kind of reminds me of my youth in Dayton and Cincy. I've gambled with all the young neighborhood champs, playing Rotation, with many of the local tough guys betting against me. I play hard and I play fair, never giving an inch on the pool table. That's how I've earned my respect over here, both winning and losing. I wouldn't have it any other way. I hope I can go out the same way I came in, putting my ass on the line every day. I guess I just like living on the edge. That's where life really is, when you're putting something at risk. That's why people skydive, race cars and motorbikes, and get in the ring. For me it's a hot pool game in some dive for 500P a game and a big crowd sweating every shot. That's how I get my nuts off!

And WE get our nuts off living vicariously through you, Jay! You're the best!
JoeyA
 
You're right jay, basketball is very big here.. in fact its even bigger than pool! Makes you wonder why because of our height. Here is the brawl you were talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDrRiDRudkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1cAvPWDYto

The guy there is part of our national team, who just qualified for the fiba world championships, finishing silver in the just concluded fiba asia championships. Along with Iran and South Korea. This is the first time since the 60's, when we lorded it over asia. The NBA knows how much we love basketball here that pre season games will be held here in October. Pacers vs Rockets. Nba superstars Kobe Bryant & Lebron James was just here and the Indiana Pacemates (cheering squad) along with James Harden & Eric Gordon.

In the 34th Jones cup in 2012, USA sent a team to participate. I don't know if they were collegiate teams. Other teams were Japan, South Korea, Chinese Taipei, China, Iran etc.

here's the Philippines vs USA game

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybkaDUj9zoo
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WDEFOQXtho

now back to pool :)
 
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