Bad Calls?

[JB Cases]

So I am watching the Amway Cup and it's Chen vs. Ga Young Kim. Kim is up 4:2. Chen breaks and elects to play safe.

She grazes the two sending it up behind the 8 and the cueball caroms the five into the rail.

The referee calls foul for no rail. They SHOW THE SHOT on the BIG SCREEN in the arena in slow motion and it's CLEARLY not a foul and the ref gives Ga Young ball in hand anyway.

On what planet is this right and fair?

Now Chen is clearly upset by this.

My take on it is that if the ability exists to review the shot then all tournaments should use that ability. Especially in the big TV matches.

I think Ga Young is rattled by it as well since she didn't run out that game with ball in hand (she still won it when Chen dogged a ball) and GYK just dogged the one after he own break.

Another time I was sitting three feet from the shot and the referee was standing ten feet away from the table on the wrong end - so he was a good TWENTY FEET away from the object ball and the player was trying to graze it and he did and the ref called a bad hit. That cost the player that game and the match and he was out of the event - after traveling hundreds of miles to get there.

So what's your opinion on bad calls? Especially the ones which can be reviewed on video?

 

[mikyor]

I do not understand chinese, so when ref called foul I thought it was for hitting the 5 first. That is crazy the foul is for no rail. no wonder Kim looked so undecided on what to do.

 

[jay helfert]

I have seen mistakes like this on more than one occasion. I agree with John that if the ability exists to review a shot then it should be used. Secondly I think this is where good sportsmanship enters the contest. If a player KNOWS that the referee has made an incorrect call, they can do something about it by refusing to take ball in hand and restoring the cue ball to its original position. I think it is the player's responsibility to let a referee know they have erred. Even if the error favors them.

I see things like this happening in tennis and golf tournaments frequently, where good sportsmanship is integral to the game. I have seen Earl (yes I said Earl) handing the cue ball back to a player when the referee has made an incorrect call. He once stopped Shannon from fouling when he was about to hit the wrong ball. TRUE!

This type of behavior goes a long way to restoring the integrity of the game. And gains accolades for the player who exhibits the good sportsmanship.

 

[Spimp13]

I have seen mistakes like this on more than one occasion. I agree with John that if the ability exists to review a shot then it should be used. Secondly I think this is where good sportsmanship enters the contest. If a player KNOWS that the referee has made an incorrect call, they can do something about it by refusing to take ball in hand and restoring the cue ball to its original position. I think it is the player's responsibility to let a referee know they have erred. Even if the error favors them.

I see things like this happening in tennis and golf tournaments frequently, where good sportsmanship is integral to the game. I have seen Earl (yes I said Earl) handing the cue ball back to a player when the referee has made an incorrect call. He once stopped Shannon from fouling when he was about to hit the wrong ball. TRUE!

This type of behavior goes a long way to restoring the integrity of the game. And gains accolades for the player who exhibits the good sportsmanship.

Agreed, if they arent going to review close shots then they should do what tennis does. A player gets 2 challenges a set. If they win both challenges they get bonus one. Tennis is course a completely different animal with the speed of the balls moving and judging if they bounced within the lines, but something of a similar fashion wouldn't slow the game down IMO of pool and be good for the game to help minimizing referee mistakes. Its a no brainer, especially when how often would a person really need to ever challenge a call in a set of pool? Not often enough for it to be an issue of slowing the game down....either do that or booth review.

 

[TX Poolnut]

If they can review shots, they should. This ain't rocket surgery.

 

[Cuebuddy]

As in all sports close plays should be reviewed if possible. It was not that long ago the debate was on about if it was right to review plays in American pro football.......and now I couldn't even imagine the game with out it. Human error is a part of most competitions but it should be the error of the competitors and not the referees. JMHO

 

[ShootingArts]

officials make errors

Officials make errors just like all other humans. The rules in force where you are playing often decide how the players handle it. Tell me I can be DQ'd to contest a rep's call and I'm not going to contest when they make a bad call for or against me.

It can happen but it is rare that a bad call puts a person out of a pool match unless they let the call get in their head. Accept that "stuff" happens and move on. I lost ten points in another sport where the bad call moved me from tied for first or in first down out of the top ten with no way of catching up. I had to roll with it and admit to myself I was out the money that day.

Hu

 

[JB Cases]

I do not understand chinese, so when ref called foul I thought it was for hitting the 5 first. That is crazy the foul is for no rail. no wonder Kim looked so undecided on what to do.

I don't either but even at that she hit the 2 first so it was not a foul.

 

[mikyor]

yes i agree she hit the 2 first, it was a terrible situation.

 

[JB Cases]

Officials make errors just like all other humans. The rules in force where you are playing often decide how the players handle it. Tell me I can be DQ'd to contest a rep's call and I'm not going to contest when they make a bad call for or against me.

It can happen but it is rare that a bad call puts a person out of a pool match unless they let the call get in their head. Accept that "stuff" happens and move on. I lost ten points in another sport where the bad call moved me from tied for first or in first down out of the top ten with no way of catching up. I had to roll with it and admit to myself I was out the money that day.

Hu

I don't agree when it's in a match where they can review the video. A bad call shouldn't cost a person $10,000 if it's possible to correct it.

Conversely it also goes the other way when a player fouls and the referee doesn't see it. The incoming player should be allowed to ask for a video review.

 

[JB Cases]

The thing about this was that the match was being broadcast LIVE on giant screens in the arena. They showed the SLOW MOTION video immediately. So everyone knew that it was a good hit and the referee still stuck with his decision. That's what totally blew.

I might have just packed up my cue and left.

GYK should have refused to take ball in hand.

 

[metallicane]

Review it. Nothing worse than a stubborn ref not wanting to change their call.

 

[mjantti]

Umm, in European tournaments such as Eurotour and European Championships you can always make a protest against the ref's ruling. It costs 50e ($70) and you have to make right after the shot you want to protest on. The price is there just because players shouldn't be doing it all the time but if you're 100% sure ref made a mistake you can always make an official protest. The protest is handled by the tournament leader(s) right away and if the ruling goes to the protester, he/she gets the money back. Otherwise the money is lost. From ref's point of view it's also an excellent issue to bring up if the player is complaining about your call. You can basically say "make an official protest or stop complaining". I think the same system should be used in other international events as well.

Yeah, refs are people too and make mistakes. Crazy brainfarts are not the priviledge of the players, refs make them too

 

[Richardson]

I have seen Earl (yes I said Earl) handing the cue ball back to a player when the referee has made an incorrect call. He once stopped Shannon from fouling when he was about to hit the wrong ball. TRUE!

This type of behavior goes a long way to restoring the integrity of the game. And gains accolades for the player who exhibits the good sportsmanship.

When i was learning to play pool this was common practice amongst us kids. Now that i play with adults they seems to want to *cheat* imho. I get tired of it. This is one of the only reasons i will get mouthy or rude playing pool. People need to have more respect for themselves to not want to win that way though. Really most people just want to win and don't care how it happens.