Bad ending to a long game

jay helfert

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I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.
 
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I call that good shitty action.... You like the game, but you really just don't want to deal with the person and what may ensue dependent upon his attitude.... The next time you do play him (if you do), your thoughts will be different and not enojy it as much as you think you may.

I'd leave him be if it were me....

-Ross
has had that happen before...
 
Forget it Jay. There are far more productive things to think of than what happened yesterday. Have a nice weekend.
 
Life is too short to waste precious time on *****s like him. Only ever play people like that once, unless its unavoidable by being drawn against them in an event.

Jay, you already know what the right thing to do is, only tiredness or some other unusual factor is even making you ask. Forget any lingering testosterone issues which will never be fully settled by a game of pool anyway.

Satisfy yourself with just 'knowing' you can beat him. You play him again now and on one level he kinda wins just by you having agreed to play, whatever the result might be. Don't do it.

Yours sincerely

Uncle Mikey:)
 
1pRoscoe said:
I call that good shitty action.... You like the game, but you really just don't want to deal with the person and what may ensue dependent upon his attitude.... The next time you do play him (if you do), your thoughts will be different and not enojy it as much as you think you may.

I'd leave him be if it were me....

-Ross
has had that happen before...
I agree its a bad game anytime your not having fun. That said get a feel for the guy, maybe ask around a bit. find out if this was a isolated event or is he usually a sore loser.
 
Fogetaboutit!

jay helfert said:
I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.

You should not play this guy again even though it would give you and many others here some satisfaction. Nothing good can come of beating him or losing to him. If you win, you'll still have him whining about fouling or not fouling or some other junk. If it comes to blows, you may get the best of it or the worst of it. If you get the best of it, it may cost you additional monies for his hospital bills. If you lose, it could cost you time in the hospital. If the fisticuffs is unavoidable, that's another thing. But the bottom line is nothing good can come from playing this "guy".

That was pretty sporty of you to let him have the break (if it was a close game) on the last double or nothing.

There was a thread the other day about playing crank heads and the best advice is to set a time limit and/or a money limit. This is probably a good idea for anyone.

Oh, and were you paying after every game?

FOGETABOUTIT and wait for JoeyA on this Friday night. You can take out your frustrations with him on the table at Master Q's. :D

JoeyA (hoping Jay's still thinking about that T**D when we play) :D
 
Jay,
Tell him that you will play him, but it has to be for at least $200 a game and he has to post $2000 using paypal. If you do play him again, get in contact with the Action Report guys and do a live stream. I will take half your action. :D
 
What A Chump!

Hey Jay, Gals like that dont even deserve to play this wonderful game! That JACKOFF has the nerve to pull something like that, Jay I tell you like this **** his action he wouldnt take the 8 from Damian Alishan and he might just be the favorite playing him even! He has no heart and he wouldnt have even gotten up to play you if he didnt think he was stealing, well now he knows he isnt. Good job Jay! IF YOU DONT HAVE NO HEART AND NO GAMBLE PLEASE STAY OUT OF THIS GREAT GAME, TAKE UP LAWN BOWLING YOU JACKOFFS! Have a great trip Jay and talk to you soon!
 
What a punk. I can't imagine staying in a game that long and still crying about a foul on a break. Hopefully some strong arm cleans him out of his rent money, and he'll think twice about someone quitting a winner. Which brings up that whole concept of quitting a winner. Are you supposed to play 'til you're even?

Andy
 
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PLAY!!! ;o)

Make him put up and lock up the 1K. Bring a couple of large friends to watch. Play five ahead. (if he or you gets five ahead we all know who the better player is THAT DAY) The rest is just nitty bs and wether or not you want to deal with it. I deal with ass-oles like that all the time, and sometimes I'll quit playing them for six-months or so. Choice is up to you, but why not get the money and shut him up???? Scott
 
I Get Up Nose To Nose And Tell Them To STFU (after prolonged whining)

I agree with Joey's assessment, but I'd like to add to it.
I don't know where you played, but if it's in YOUR town, you handled it correctly.. imo

When you play someone like this, if you win the money (or the fight), you have to be ready for 'someone' keying your car, slashing your tires, stealing your cue/case while in the bathroom, etc.

If you're playing in another town and unlikely to be there again (or not for a long while), then quit a winner and leave there laughing uproariously at the whiner.

Sometimes, the aggravation isn't worth the game/action.
Doug
( you handled it well.... imo )
 
Call me a hillbilly, but I would make sure I made a spectacle of him. I would grab a friend (or two) to pretend to have my back. I would then proceed to walk in early in the evening when the locals could hear. Loudly, then, reiterate his offer to bet the grand. Make a big "to do" about him trying to make a friendly game into a pissing contest. Then, let him know you are there to piss. My bet is, he might not have the grand. That sounds like a spout off after the fact. When he does decline, make it known. Period. He will decline, or try to get off cheaper. Definitely don't let him off cheap. He was the one jacking it up. MAKE him decline in public. Thousand or nothing. If you do have the nuts, the friends with you will calm you. Damn it, this is right down my alley. Wish I lived closer.
 
crawfish said:
Call me a hillbilly, but I would make sure I made a spectacle of him. I would grab a friend (or two) to pretend to have my back. I would then proceed to walk in early in the evening when the locals could hear. Loudly, then, reiterate his offer to bet the grand. Make a big "to do" about him trying to make a friendly game into a pissing contest. Then, let him know you are there to piss. My bet is, he might not have the grand. That sounds like a spout off after the fact. When he does decline, make it known. Period. He will decline, or try to get off cheaper. Definitely don't let him off cheap. He was the one jacking it up. MAKE him decline in public. Thousand or nothing. If you do have the nuts, the friends with you will calm you. Damn it, this is right down my alley. Wish I lived closer.
Ok, I have to confess - this is more inline with what I'd do... :p
 
This experiance that you had happens to me about once each year. For this reason, I am VERY careful who I match up with anymore. There are people I will not play, regardless of whether I have "the nuts" or not. Life is too short to get in a position where you are at risk for bodily injury. At your age Jay you need to carefully pick who to play based mostly on demeanor. I will only play with people that respect the game and will act like gentlemen.

This game, like it or not, has a dark side to it. I no longer engage in duels on the table where woofing is involved. It is childish and boring.

Regards,

Doug
 
Don't hesitate to post these things, Jay

That's too bad this happened. Any of us who have played for any length of time has run into this situation before. At first thought, I would agree with the previous posters and just forget the guy and the whole experience. I mean, the guy agrees to accept that it was a foul, then hounds you later about it and won't let it go. It sounds as if the guy knew the rules (which can be half the battle) but thought you didn't see the shot right. So it looks like this game is too much of a grind, especially with the loud music and crowded conditions. Hey, if you're not having any fun, then why bother with it any more. Unless, this guy is good action.

If that's the case, then find out if his behavior was just out of character that night. If so, then freeze up that $1000 and take him off!

Those are the two choices, Jay.
 
Let it cool a week or so

Jay,

You know better than anyone else what you should do. Let it cool a week or so and make a decision with a calm head. You can decide whether it is not worth the bother or if you want to go bust him. If you decide to bust him I would go with enough bread to high roll him and some back-up.

Hu


jay helfert said:
I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.
 
ShootingArts said:
Jay,

You know better than anyone else what you should do. Let it cool a week or so and make a decision with a calm head. You can decide whether it is not worth the bother or if you want to go bust him. If you decide to bust him I would go with enough bread to high roll him and some back-up.

Hu
My sentiments exactly.
 
Just forget the sucker and ignore him in the future. That's the best you can do for yourself and for him also..
 
jay helfert said:
I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.


I have a problematic game with one particular fellow. It's a tough game for me and we go back and forth. Sometimes I come out a few games ahead, sometimes he does, sometimes we break even. Like I said, it's a tough game, but because of that, I really enjoy it. It's helped me get better. BUT regardless, I have to fade a lot of baloney form this guy in terms of his BS, the things he says, and other obnoxious habits.

One day he started to get *way* out of line and I just stopped him and gave him a little speech that went something like this: "Listen, win or lose, I play pool for a good time. I enjoy our game, because it's tough. But when I stop having fun -- because of your baloney -- that's when I stop playing you."

He's cleaned up his act since then and we've had no further problems.

Lou Figueroa
 
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