Ban Magic Rack for Pro Events?

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DGHustles

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I like the magic rack, I really do. But for professional events I think the magic rack should not be allowed. To me, it's like golf with certain wedges. Amateurs can use different grooves for more spin, and USGA events you are not allowed to use those. I think the magic rack just makes things too damn easy for pro's and really takes away a little from the competition.

Thoughts?
 
DGHustles said:
I like the magic rack, I really do. But for professional events I think the magic rack should not be allowed. To me, it's like golf with certain wedges. Amateurs can use different grooves for more spin, and USGA events you are not allowed to use those. I think the magic rack just makes things too damn easy for pro's and really takes away a little from the competition.

Thoughts?
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It makes it too easy for the pro who is playing better. That's because he's playing better. Same time and place he would win no matter how the balls were racked. But with much racking drama. I like them. I hate watching a person rack the balls for 2-3 minutes with an ensuing argument. The end justifies the means.

JC
 
I like the magic rack for 10 ball, not for 9 ball. Hell, I just don't really like 9 ball at the pro level any more. It's a broken game.

I don't mind 10 ball with the magic rack, opponent racks or neutral racker, 2 and 3 in the corners.
 
Baxter said:
I like the magic rack for 10 ball, not for 9 ball. Hell, I just don't really like 9 ball at the pro level any more. It's a broken game.

I don't mind 10 ball with the magic rack, opponent racks or neutral racker, 2 and 3 in the corners.
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How about Magic Racking the nine on the spot...Oh, there is no center on the Magic Rack.
Nevermind.
 
Use Magic rack, but apply Mosconi Cup rules - 9 on spot, 3-4 balls behind head string after break.
 
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LAMas said:
How about Magic Racking the nine on the spot...Oh, there is no center on the Magic Rack.
Nevermind.
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I think it's silly to continue to try and "fix" 9 ball at the pro level. 9 on the spot, 3 balls past the headstring, 9 in 2 bottom corners doesn't count, 2 ball has to change positions in the rack every rack, etc etc. Why don't they just rack the balls with the 1 on the spot, then move the 1 to center table and make it a straight pool high run break? lol.

Just play 10 ball and a lot of problems are solved. Pattern racking is always going to be a problem when there are people willing to take the time and learn their patterns. If it's for the cash, I don't really blame them. Everyone wants to get a leg up on their competition. It's bad for the integrity of the game though imo.
 
LAMas said:
If all of the balls are touching...then it is a matter of pattern racking?
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Pattern racking is more of the problem than the MR in 9-ball IMO. Most players can make a ball on the break a good % of the time with balls racked tight with a wooden rack. The only rotation game pros should play in tournaments is 15-ball rotation with all the $$ on the 15. Face it, the way 9-ball is played today is a joke for pros. Johnnyt
 
words to the wise

DGHustles said:
I like the magic rack, I really do. But for professional events I think the magic rack should not be allowed. To me, it's like golf with certain wedges. Amateurs can use different grooves for more spin, and USGA events you are not allowed to use those. I think the magic rack just makes things too damn easy for pro's and really takes away a little from the competition.

Thoughts?
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I agree, there's too many "secrets" to the magic rack. ;) Allowing players to touch the balls after they're racked is never a good idea - words to the wise.
 
The MR was the second coming of Christ when it first came out...Now it's the Anti-Christ!

Baxter makes a good point, forget 9-ball, put the pros on 10-ball. The questions that raises is time going to be a factor? Pattern racking and rule changes can definitely help, but now we are going to have 15 sets of rules throughout the country. Is it helping or hurting? I don't really know.

My biggest gripe in 9-ball without the MR is tourneys still letting the 9 count in the bottom corners....especially in a race to 3 or 5. I know it's up to me racking to do everything I can to prevent it, but it still happens. Really wish there was better solution to the MR controversy!
 
Rack with a traditional rack.

Rack your own. You get 30 seconds to rack and cannot touch a ball after the rack is removed.

Any violation and the break goes to your opponent.
 
IMO 9 ball is a broken game, no matter what kind of "rack" is used pro's will figure it out. Remember when cory duel destroyed everyone with his "soft break" in 9 ball ?? and he wasn't using magic rack.
I read in one of the threads on AZ that Johnny Archer said some thing about mandatory push out after the break. I think that's one of the way to "fix" 9 ball. Or at least every pro tourney should have a rule where players must hit 'em hard, like 3 or 4 balls past the head string (like in US open) or its a illegal break. And if you throw "opponent racks" in the mix I think most of the "problems" with "pattern racking" will go away.
 
Great points.

I wanted to mention that I've seen instances where you are supposed to by rules "break hard" and guess what a few pool players managed to do? ............. You have the answer already, I knew you did, they fought about what break hard means.



prad said:
IMO 9 ball is a broken game, no matter what kind of "rack" is used pro's will figure it out. Remember when cory duel destroyed everyone with his "soft break" in 9 ball ?? and he wasn't using magic rack.
I read in one of the threads on AZ that Johnny Archer said some thing about mandatory push out after the break. I think that's one of the way to "fix" 9 ball. Or at least every pro tourney should have a rule where players must hit 'em hard, like 3 or 4 balls past the head string (like in US open) or its a illegal break. And if you throw "opponent racks" in the mix I think most of the "problems" with "pattern racking" will go away.
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This solution has merit

AlexandruM said:
Use Magic rack, but apply Mosconi Cup rules - 9 on spot, 3-4 balls behind head string after break.
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This solution has merit, I'd go another step and have the break from "The Box". Maybe just have 3 balls pass the side pockets....this would certainly eliminate the "dead corner ball".

I think they did this at the US OPEN one year, I'm not sure why they stopped.
 
True pros are pros for a reason because they can play and make the game look easy. MR, sardo, delta, or $5 plastic rack with wore out 20 year old balls it doesn't matter they will still shoot lights out once they adapt.

All the MR or any rack that makes a perfect rack does is stop the fighting and cut out the rack reading. Cutting out the reading of gags in the racks does take a bit of skill out of the break but I think we can all agree if it stops the fighting about the racks it's worth it.

Pattern racking? At pro tournaments get some rackers like pool halls had way back when. Heck that would settle it with or without the MR. Just make it simple. The racker racks and you have to accept it or forfeit the break. Sure some pros would cry about it but f**k'em they will learn to like it or quit and get a real job, which isn't very likely.
 
I'm fine with them using a magic rack, but go back to refs racking and make the player break.
 
Nothing wrong with the magic rack. It gives a perfect rack every time. That is the whole objective of having a good rack. Now the part with the wing ball going in is a problem with 9ball, not the rack. The best solution is use the magic rack with 10ball...
 
I like the Magic Rack. I don't know why people prefer a gaffed or rigged rack that other racks give you. It's not consistent...isn't that what every pro strives for?
 
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