Bank or Cut?

[Cory in DC]

Your reasoning does have its place in pool smarts, but not with respect to the shot being discussed. Any advice, other than cut the 8 into the pocket, is not the best.

And I still have serious doubts that you would do anything other than cut it in, given the shot in real world..

I'm going to have to side with BB on this one. Naji -- You're a good player, the best shot, and the best safe, is the old CTBIH (cut-the-ball-in-the-hole). But you're just trying to get more action from me.

If you're dead set on a 2-way, then, as others have said, aim it a little thin and it will pop out of the hole if you miss; just bring the CB across either 1 or 3 rails and you leave a bank. As I used to hear people in Chicago say, "Overcut. Automatic safe." Personally, I wouldn't put any of my focus into anything other than making the shot.

 

[pdcue]

I personally don't think any bank is "natural" if the ball is that close to the rail. For me a natural bank is a bank where you're positive that the OB will achieve full natural roll when contacting the cushion (not to mention the bank angle is geometrically natural). For this particular shot with the OB that close to the rail, achieving full natural is not guaranteed. You'd have to hit the OB pretty softly in order for it to achieve natural roll when contacting the cushion, but hitting a bank that softly introduces other variables that would increase your chances of missing. If the ball was a ball or two further off the rail on the same bank line, then the bank would be more "natural" and thus easier. But the cut shot would be easier as well.

We need a Bank Pool Glossary.

A "natural" bank is not a term I've ever heard any Bank player use, but
from the context I think he means the shot requires a "full" hit of
the object ball. Like the more common 'dead bank' it is meerly a description
of the layout.

The play of the table, the expected results, the phase of the moon, don't
have anything to do with it.

Dale

 

[JohnInNH]

For all those who say "cut it" -- what about if the cue ball is moved a ball to the left? How about 2 balls? At what point does the bank win?

As long as the edge of the cue ball is above the edge of the object ball I will play the cut (90 degrees), if both balls are within their own space I will play the bank or a safety, equipment is also a factor to consider.

John

 

[pwd72s]

If a casual game with a friend...bank. Just for the hell of it.

If serious, I'd cut it.

But really, depends on what you are most comfortable with.

 

[Houstoer]

Cut it for the win, I don't care what my opponent has on the table..... if you can't feel confident on this cut shot, for the win, you really should not even be in the banking mind set.

The only way I'm banking this is if the pocket was blocked, or it was a friendly game with a buddy, and I wanted to rub some salt in the wound

PS: Plus, one of the best bankers on the planet would cut it really tells you all you need to know !!!

my point exactly; if Brumback says cut the case is closed !

 

[pdcue]

Yes, aiming system. These are precisely the type of cut shots that are easy to dog for the cash and it is my experience that using an aiming system puts me dead on the right line every time with zero hesitation.

I don't know how many pressure matches the average az'er has played but I have gambled up to $600 a game many times and I can tell you that the difference for shots like this with and without an aiming system is HUGE for me personally.

Wouldn't you agree that this post is proof positive that it is long
past time you learned how to aim.

Dale(who has on occasion gambled up to more than $6 a game - but who's counting)

 

[JB Cases]

Wouldn't you agree that this post is proof positive that it is long
past time you learned how to aim.

Dale(who has on occasion gambled up to more than $6 a game - but who's counting)

What it is proof of is that I have experience gambling without using an explicit aiming method and with using one and in my opinion with one is much better.

And the reason it's much better is that shots like this are not considered "tough" WITH an aiming system for me. And Bob Jewett asked what if the object ball is another ball higher? Same thing, that shot WITH an aiming system looks the same, not tougher, not easier, just right.

 

[Pidge]

What it is proof of is that I have experience gambling without using an explicit aiming method and with using one and in my opinion with one is much better.

And the reason it's much better is that shots like this are not considered "tough" WITH an aiming system for me. And Bob Jewett asked what if the object ball is another ball higher? Same thing, that shot WITH an aiming system looks the same, not tougher, not easier, just right.

I've seen some of your videos on Youtube regarding CTE. Is this the method you use to aim now? All your shots were ETC, regardless of the angle. You are not making this shot with ETC. Just sayin'.

Regardless of any aiming system you use you still have to have a solid understanding of where the CB needs to contact the OB, and how to make it happen without an aiming system. I firmly believe that having solid 'natural' aim will improve any system one may use. Besides...what do you do if half the pocket is blocked? CTE, for example, is aligning you to make the ball in the centre of a pocket.

But yeah, with a clear path to the pocket the bank isn't going to cross my mind.

 

[pdcue]

What it is proof of is that I have experience gambling without using an explicit aiming method and with using one and in my opinion with one is much better.

And the reason it's much better is that shots like this are not considered "tough" WITH an aiming system for me. And Bob Jewett asked what if the object ball is another ball higher? Same thing, that shot WITH an aiming system looks the same, not tougher, not easier, just right.

Which is EXACTLY the same situation if you would just learn how to aim.

The bigest advantage is that actualy aiming works for all shots AND,
wait for it... shots don't look difficult unless they actually are difficult.

Dale(who aims to please)

 

[naji]

I'm going to have to side with BB on this one. Naji -- You're a good player, the best shot, and the best safe, is the old CTBIH (cut-the-ball-in-the-hole). But you're just trying to get more action from me.

If you're dead set on a 2-way, then, as others have said, aim it a little thin and it will pop out of the hole if you miss; just bring the CB across either 1 or 3 rails and you leave a bank. As I used to hear people in Chicago say, "Overcut. Automatic safe." Personally, I wouldn't put any of my focus into anything other than making the shot.

Ok BB and Cory my two favorite fishes!! Your judgement is based on how much you got hurt in pool for shooting low % shots; both of you have not gotten there yet as well as few others who side with you. I will wait 10 more years and ask you the question how do you play this shot? I will be highly surprised if your answer was other than safe play, or maybe bank..

 

[JB Cases]

Which is EXACTLY the same situation if you would just learn how to aim.

The bigest advantage is that actualy aiming works for all shots AND,
wait for it... shots don't look difficult unless they actually are difficult.

Dale(who aims to please)

Well I suppose we will have to disagree then. From my perspective shots look a lot easier when aimed using a good system.

I realize that this might be difficult for you to understand but there are others including world champions who do.

It is a liberating feeling to be able to get completely away from the idea of easy and tough when looking at a shot and simply to know you have the right line and need focus on touch and delivery.

At least that is my personal experience. I hope that someday you get the opportunity to see shots the way I do. With your superior skill you would probably be even better than you are now.

Look me up at SBE if you plan to be there and we can dink around with some cheap sets. I would be happy to pay to watch you run out on me. And if I did get lucky and win then maybe you might see something that you would like to learn more about.




www.jbcases.com

 

[JB Cases]

I've seen some of your videos on Youtube regarding CTE. Is this the method you use to aim now? All your shots were ETC, regardless of the angle. You are not making this shot with ETC. Just sayin'.

Regardless of any aiming system you use you still have to have a solid understanding of where the CB needs to contact the OB, and how to make it happen without an aiming system. I firmly believe that having solid 'natural' aim will improve any system one may use. Besides...what do you do if half the pocket is blocked? CTE, for example, is aligning you to make the ball in the centre of a pocket.

But yeah, with a clear path to the pocket the bank isn't going to cross my mind.

I don't want to make this a technical discussion. The aiming method I use handles all possible shots where the object ball has a clear path to the pocket. This is another clear advantage imo. When another ball appears to block path using an aiming system cuts through any misperception that can affect the aim or the stroke allowing me to shoot cleanly past those interfering balls.

That is another huge area where an aiming system takes formerly difficult shots and makes them simply just another shot.

If there is any shot that you feel an aiming system can't easily handle please post it and I will put it on YouTube and see if you are correct.


www.jbcases.com

 

[Black-Balled]

Ok BB and Cory my two favorite fishes!! Your judgement is based on how much you got hurt in pool for shooting low % shots; both of you have not gotten there yet as well as few others who side with you. I will wait 10 more years and ask you the question how do you play this shot? I will be highly surprised if your answer was other than safe play, or maybe bank..

Awwritee, man...them's fightin words from a man that can't be brought to the table to play me.

I suggest you go back an look closer at that shot. If you still aren't convinced the proper shot is cutting it in, you and I can play some 1ball 1pocket from there, my pocket is the 'cut' pocket, yours is the 'bank' pocket. Jack it up.

 

[Luther Blissett]

If you want to win, cut it.

Possible exception is if there's a pretty girl watching and you want to show off, in which case maybe bank it. :embarrassed2:

 

[naji]

Awwritee, man...them's fightin words from a man that can't be brought to the table to play me.

I suggest you go back an look closer at that shot. If you still aren't convinced the proper shot is cutting it in, you and I can play some 1ball 1pocket from there, my pocket is the 'cut' pocket, yours is the 'bank' pocket. Jack it up.

I joke once in a while, hope you took lightly! but on a serious note you learn from experience and memory, each game is different, again experience, in one ball one pocket i would certainly cut it lightly and softly so you dig it out of my pocket or scratch behind it, or i would bank softly if the other pocket is mine
The post about 8 ball game, if you hang the 8 you cooked

 

[Jimmy Reid]

always the cut

Best of Luck !!

 

[measureman]

Cut it. To me that shot is almost a hanger. Just feather it in just hard enough to reach the pocket.

 

[pdcue]

Well I suppose we will have to disagree then. From my perspective shots look a lot easier when aimed using a good system.

I realize that this might be difficult for you to understand but there are others including world champions who do.

It is a liberating feeling to be able to get completely away from the idea of easy and tough when looking at a shot and simply to know you have the right line and need focus on touch and delivery.

At least that is my personal experience. I hope that someday you get the opportunity to see shots the way I do. With your superior skill you would probably be even better than you are now.

Look me up at SBE if you plan to be there and we can dink around with some cheap sets. I would be happy to pay to watch you run out on me. And if I did get lucky and win then maybe you might see something that you would like to learn more about.




www.jbcases.com

Sorry, you are the one who doesn't understand.

Some of us recall the last time you challenged someone to prove
your manhood, and the way you punked out on that wager was
nothing short of disgraceful.

Dale(who lurked a lot on RSB)

 

[dabarbr]

If I was guaranteed to have this same cut shot on every game ball from now on, I would gladly accept it. That's how comfortable I'm with it. No way would I want that bank shot as my winning shot from now on.

If my opponent was shooting this I would be hoping that he would select the bank. Move the cue ball one ball to the left then it's close to a toss up.

 

[Black-Balled]

I joke once in a while, hope you took lightly! but on a serious note you learn from experience and memory, each game is different, again experience, in one ball one pocket i would certainly cut it lightly and softly so you dig it out of my pocket or scratch behind it, or i would bank softly if the other pocket is mine
The post about 8 ball game, if you hang the 8 you cooked

Squirm all you want. you will win far more games from there by choosing to cut it in, than by any other choice.

Well, maybe not you, literally...but someone who has at least a bit of pool smarts.
I joke once in a while, hope you took lightly!
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