Bank or Cut?
- Thread starter John Novak
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For all those who say "cut it" -- what about if the cue ball is moved a ball to the left? How about 2 balls? At what point does the bank win?
The first thing that crossed my mind was to get 5 to 1 odds and three rail it into the side pocket. I think there is something wrong with my brain.
That's how every game works... There is never another shot for my opponent unless I miss
Safety play if we are both on the eight??? Bank the 8 to the middle of the rail on the left leaving the cueball center table...
Moving the cue ball to the left makes both shots harder, but I think hardest for the bank, so I'd still cut it.
I'd bank both shots for a big difference in shape.
pj
chgo
One ball left is enough to change the odds enough to bank
I am an APA 6/7.
I would bank the ball and not have a second thought on it.
For that shot, I feel more comfortable and more confident on the bank.
Maybe my POV is a little different in that I love playing One Pocket and Banks over 8 and 9. That may put that bank a little higher on my list over the cut.
I would bank the ball and not have a second thought on it.
For that shot, I feel more comfortable and more confident on the bank.
Maybe my POV is a little different in that I love playing One Pocket and Banks over 8 and 9. That may put that bank a little higher on my list over the cut.
Surprised not to see this already posted -
You base your choice on where the opponent's balls are lying. If balls from their group are still on the table, and near the upper corner, you cut with the idea of hanging the 8 if you miss and blocking their ball. If their balls are near the lower corner, you bank softly with the same goal. Any time you're taking a missable shot you have to be playing defense in some way. Of course, if it's like a 90% shot for you, you might be better off just cinching it.
If you're both on the 8 ball, you bank it even though a cut might be a little easier to sink. Except this time you hit the bank with speed, hoping to the 8 flies away from the pocket if you miss. Depending on the angle I might even hit hard enough to try to spin the cue ball up to the head rail and leave it stuck there. When it's almost straight in though, that's a tall order, and you don't want to Z bank into the wrong corner.
Another option, some feel more comfortable making thin cuts with inside. You can basically play to overcut a little with inside, with the idea being that if you do overcut, the cue ball zigzags to the footrail while the 8 ball banks off the foot rail and comes back up. Then the opponent is stuck with their own bank. If you miss the 8 entirely you'll still kick it from behind. But then it's up to lady luck if you sell out or not.
You base your choice on where the opponent's balls are lying. If balls from their group are still on the table, and near the upper corner, you cut with the idea of hanging the 8 if you miss and blocking their ball. If their balls are near the lower corner, you bank softly with the same goal. Any time you're taking a missable shot you have to be playing defense in some way. Of course, if it's like a 90% shot for you, you might be better off just cinching it.
If you're both on the 8 ball, you bank it even though a cut might be a little easier to sink. Except this time you hit the bank with speed, hoping to the 8 flies away from the pocket if you miss. Depending on the angle I might even hit hard enough to try to spin the cue ball up to the head rail and leave it stuck there. When it's almost straight in though, that's a tall order, and you don't want to Z bank into the wrong corner.
Another option, some feel more comfortable making thin cuts with inside. You can basically play to overcut a little with inside, with the idea being that if you do overcut, the cue ball zigzags to the footrail while the 8 ball banks off the foot rail and comes back up. Then the opponent is stuck with their own bank. If you miss the 8 entirely you'll still kick it from behind. But then it's up to lady luck if you sell out or not.
LOL That is funny.
curious
its got me thinking now. im gonna head out this after noon and shoot 15 cuts and 15 banks and see what works best. obviously the first few shots will tell the tale as after that ill get the feel for the shot and will make more consistently...which now seems like a decent practice idea
its got me thinking now. im gonna head out this after noon and shoot 15 cuts and 15 banks and see what works best. obviously the first few shots will tell the tale as after that ill get the feel for the shot and will make more consistently...which now seems like a decent practice idea
fast or slow
fast cloth cut it. slow rag cloth bank it...
fast cloth cut it. slow rag cloth bank it...
I will add this: If you plan on banking this shot, you had better get the speed right AND play it to miss on the "pro" side (short of the pocket). If you miss it long, you're more than likely gonna sell out. Hitting it with the correct speed and missing high will leave the 8-ball square in the middle and on the short rail with the cueball going toward center table.
Maniac
Maniac
Cut, no question. Just overcut so if you miss, you leave a bank instead of a hanger.
Credit to Jim Loy for both the scenario and diagram.
http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/bank.htm
Credit to Jim Loy for both the scenario and diagram.
http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/bank.htm
the further left the cue is moved, the more likely I am to try to play safe and leave balls frozen to rails.
I cut this with straight top.I don't think missing should even enter your mind on this shot,imo.If you think about missing it you probably will. I'm either shooting to make the ball or shooting safe.Those in between shots usually don't turn out very good.I never did believe in .. where you were trying to miss it long or short.I just don't see how that can work.You either shoot to make it or shoot to miss it.Least that's my way of thinking.
Sorry to get off topic,just thought I would throw some food for thought out there.
Move it one cball to the left it and becomes a bank for me.John B.
Sorry to get off topic,just thought I would throw some food for thought out there.
Move it one cball to the left it and becomes a bank for me.John B.
The only way the bank out weights the cut is going down table for position.
If the angle of the shot gets to steep for a cut maybe bank but other than that know way I would bank that.The cut is to easy with the rite speed(The ball dosnt have to be hit perfect).The cut has way less variables then the bank .
If Mr. Brumback says cut then that is definetly the answer !! Anyone that can bank like him but would cut his ball then cut is the way to go ! I would cut also; too many variables in banks unless I was on my home table.
