basavich bashing?

[JAM]

JAM's Tout Sheet!

...Just because Billiard Digest runs an article on a player, it does not mean everything in the article is FACT.

NorthCarolinian, don't believe everything you read, to include this post!

Anyhow I'd like to hear from all the KID fans on how great his record is against the players mentioned above.

John Schmidt - Kid's the favorite in this match. John is a solid shooter, but Kid's focus would bring him to the finish line first (IMO).

Corey Deuel - I saw Kid drill Corey Deuel in the semi-finals at Glass City Open last year, executing perfect safety shots, ran a 6-pack in a race to 7 (I think). Even though Corey seems to sparkle when he's in front of a camera and he did beat him in the Bike event, I'd give Kid a slight edge, not much.

Shannon Daulton - This match would be the battle of the breaks between these two. If Shannon is getting staked, I might make this a "pick 'em." I notice some players perform differently when betting their own.

Jose Parica - Jose is my favorite road warrior. Currently, Danny is the favorite. Jose was booking winners in 2003, but in 2004, he's been struggling. Wishing him a better 2005!

Alex Pagulayan - Not so long ago, rumor had it that there was an open challenge to the world to come to Alex's home turf and play him for a big chunk of change. There were no takers. He is the current 2004 WPC champion. If comes down to the semi-finals of a tourney, Danny is capable of spanking him. I'd pick Danny in a tournament, but for the cash, Alex is one tough action player to beat.

James Walden - I caught his action on a few occasions, and he seemed to high-roll a little, hoping this would weaken his opponent. I'd have to know the stakes for this set before making judgment.

Antonio Lining - Danny would crush him in 9-ball.

Tony Watson - I don't believe Tony would play Kid Delicious even today in 2005.

Jeremy Jones - I've seen Jeremy on two or three occasions when he just looked like he couldn't miss. At the Carolinas Open, he ran a 6-pack against Ryan McCreesh, and against Keith in the one-hole event, he made a shot that blew me away. I'd still go with Danny in this match-up.

Dennis Hatch - Dennis Hatch is, without a doubt, one of the best 9-ball players in this country, when he's concentrating on pool. If Dennis is playing Danny with Dennis' lovely lady sitting tableside, Danny's the stone-cold favorite.

Danny's 2004 record is pretty strong on the tournament trail: first place in Reno Open, first place in $25,000 Joss Tour Finale, 2nd Place in Glass City Open, 2nd Place in Bike event, 3 or 4 first-place wins on the Joss Tour, just to name a few.

Keith double-dipped Kid at a Joss event in Quincy last year. Danny's not invincible, but for the cash, the Earthquake would definitely need a spot for my dough. Whenever they've matched up in recent times, Keith always gets a partner; a designated breaker, if you will.

JAM

 

[Muxy]

Az Forums were like to Danny
Now they are like Salvas

Now time to go get some sleep for my exam, had to make one smart ass comment

 

[NorthCarolinian]

JAM, you are my favorite poster on this board. PERIOD

BUT............
next to Keith, you must love some KID J/k

I am talking about gambling here, not tourney play. There is a lot less pressure in a tourney than when you are putting up the green stuff everyset.
I think Danny is one of the best tourney players in the country. I also think he is one of the best money players, just not the best.

Just ask yourself who you would put YOUR money on in a 10-ahead set or races to 15, 17 or 21.

No way he beats Antonio Lining, Dennis Hatch, etc.(I fully expect everyone I listed earlier would be the favorite over Danny in this senario)

With his best shot being against Tony Watson and we know how that ended up at the open. Tony is still POSSIBLY the best BIGTIME money player in the country. James Walden is right there too. I dont think Danny has ever played sets for $20,000 or $50,000. So I would imagine he be, at best, a slight dog in these two matches.

Hatch, Lining, Deuel, Schmidt, Jones, Parica, Daulton, Pagulayan would still be favorites over Danny. Not to mention if Archer or Rodney got a little itchy for some action. and lets forget about other foreigners like Chamat, Immonen, Bustamante, Luat, Hohmann, Reyes, and a host of other Filipinos.
Anyhow, I'd say Danny is the ten to twelvth best money player in the COUNTRY.

BTW, still love ya JAM

 

[nichollss]

Tony Watson

Its no secret that TW does drugs and it's no secret that alot of pool players do drugs to concentrate or stay awake...etc... But you know I like to see a man play on his own nerves and his on stamina not something out of a bottle or pipe. I played a guy 17 hours before, was awake for 35 total, quit the guy winner and he gets mad but guess what, every 30 minutes he's in the bathroom. I did tell him I would play him after some rest. So the question is who's the best the person or the drugs? Maybe these people I'm talking about has little coconuts and not enough iron in their blood.

 

[NorthCarolinian]

originally posted by JAM---------------------------
Dennis Hatch - Dennis Hatch is, without a doubt, one of the best 9-ball players in this country, when he's concentrating on pool. If Dennis is playing Danny with Dennis' lovely lady sitting tableside, Danny's the stone-cold favorite.
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Yeah, I hear ya there JAM

A single Dennis beats KID

Dennis plus any girl cant beat ME

Does he still go with the same girl? If so, I wonder if she even has any other options? He is very controlling/protective/psycho. At the same time she is a lot younger than he is. I just have a feeling Dennis is destined to go back to prison, one day, that is unless he loses his horrible temper. Then he may have a chance to be normal or close to it. But lets face it he will never be as liked as say Efren, Rodney Morris, Parica, or Kid.

 

[NorthCarolinian]

JAM, I'd rather get your reponse from my second to last post, I dont want to hijack/ruin the thread talking about Hatch, but a short reponse to that would be cool too.

 

[Poolschool]

I got to meet Danny and alot of other fine players for the first time this year at the DCC and I have to say the kid is a true gentleman. We need more players like him and Gabe Owen that dont walk around with their head syuck up their @$$'s.

 

[Poolschool]

My first win at the DCC was over Dennis Hatch in a mini tournament in 00 or 01. He was so pissed...LOL

 

[cueball1950]

Really???????

For the record

the only time I ever heard of Tony Watson and Danny Basavich matching up was at the 2000 US Open. 10-ahead for $10,000 EVEN

Tony won, and I dont think it took that long either.

The next night Tony beat Alex Pagulayan, 8-ahead for $10,000
Tony was getting the seven and the last two. Alex, in all his greatness, has not been too eager to offer the same game.

Gee that is funny. I have been to the last 16 Opens and i was at the pool hall every night from about 10pm until about 6 am every night. Alot of people can verify this fact. And i never heard of either of these matches ever happening. I am not saying that you are lying or anything like that. But i never saw them play or heard of them playing. That type of money would have been big news for the open. If i missed those matches i apologize, but i cannot recall those match ups at all.
Now lets get to Tony matching up which i saw. I saw Corey drill Tony for 5 large at the old Q masters in norfolk, playing even. Saw Tony lose 3 large to Alex playing even also. Also saw tony give coltrain the 8, before mike's medical problems set in, and get beat. What i cannot understand is this about Tony. After watching him lose the 5 large to Corey, there was a line of people from the carolinas willing to back Tony against whomever he played next....Why??? are they hoping to catch him when he is hot and make a big score. I know Tony has other problems that are nobody's business but his own and should not be discused on here of all places, but that man had better slow down or the good lord may step in and slow him down. How he can play when he is hopping around the table like a kangaroo on speed is beyond me. This i saw with my own 2 eyes. I had heard that he was clean the last time i saw him play and trying hard to stay clean. I hope he makes it, cuz let me say this, this kid has alot of heart and no fear.
Now, this thread started out being about DANNY B. From what i heard and have seen, when He plays alot of times the cash is his own. How would any of these other guys play when they have 5 large of their own on the line. Or maybe 2 or 3 large even. Or how do they play when they are playing with the rent money. Alot of people can play great when they are playing with someone elses $$$$$$$$. But how do they play with their own. It just strikes me funny that these players play so great, why do they need a backer.... Just leave Danny alone and let him play his game. After all, he is just trying to make a living doing what he loves......................mike

 

[1 Pocket Ghost]

I was really interested in seeing Danny Kid Delicious play at the DCC. I have read so much about him that I wonder how he really played.
I watched Danny & Gabe play for the 11 hours and IMO, had no problem with the pace that Danny plays. He does take his time to shoot but for the money, I would slow down too. And I have definitely seen slower....Reed Pierce quickly comes to mind. Jeremy Jones, Jimmy Wetch, older players such as Dick Lane, Buddy Hall, Billy Encardona, etc. all play just as slow if not slower than Basavich. Strong Arm John is the slowest of ALL TIME. I wouldn't call Kid Delicious slow...more like deliberate. He is an excellent shot maker and like I said earlier, incredibly light on his feet for a big man. He moves around the table fast but when down to shoot takes his time. I was told that when he plays a long time, he looks just as fresh at the end as the beginning & this is also true. That is what makes him a good gambler. BUT...the extensive breaks every 30-40 minutes was a bit much. If I was the caliber player of Danny or Gabe, I would have to match up with either a time clock for breaks or instead of playing ahead sets, I would play Danny races to 11 or 15 with the agreement of no breaks until the set was complete. That would solve everything. Let it also be known that neither of these players tried to play rack games with each other which was pleasant to see. I consider Gabe a friend of mine & I don't hesitate in saying that he played awful that night. He missed two outs where the 6,7, 8, and 9 balls were at the end rail & all he had to do was roll in each ball with the cue ball going back & forth. One time in a circumstance like this, he shot the 6 in the corner across the bottom rail & didn't get a rail. Another time, he had ball in hand on the 1 ball & missed. Those 3 games right there would put Gabe back to even for the night with Delicious. I would say that Gabe out broke Danny (who I also heard had a great break but never saw it). Maybe on a different table the breaking would be more even cause none of the Diamonds at the DCC broke well. The one they played on, the bottom rail seemed a lil dead and the balls hit off it on the break & just died down there. Also 3 times that I can remember Gabe played shaped off this bottom rail & came up short & without shape.

I would like to see them play again, let Gabe clear his head & match up somehow without extensive time outs and let the best man win.

Watchez, good post, I agree 1,000 percent. I watched for about the first 4 hours of their session on and off ( I was gambling 2 tables over for half of that time). Like you said, the Kids time out breaks were a little too much, but his play in the games is not that slow - I've seen and known a lot of players that play a lot slower....and also some of these players do it as a shark, but with the Kid it just seems like it's his natural style that works best for him as a playing rhythm.

 

[JAM]

...I am talking about gambling here, not tourney play. There is a lot less pressure in a tourney than when you are putting up the green stuff everyset. I think Danny is one of the best tourney players in the country. I also think he is one of the best money players, just not the best. Just ask yourself who you would put YOUR money on in a 10-ahead set or races to 15, 17 or 21. No way he beats Antonio Lining, Dennis Hatch, etc. (I fully expect everyone I listed earlier would be the favorite over Danny in this senario)...

NorthCarolinian, I'd place my cash on Kid Delicious. Maybe I've had the opportunity to see him compete more often in recent times, which is what I base my opinion on.

With his best shot being against Tony Watson and we know how that ended up at the open. Tony is still POSSIBLY the best BIGTIME money player in the country. James Walden is right there too. I dont think Danny has ever played sets for $20,000 or $50,000. So I would imagine he be, at best, a slight dog in these two matches.

I've seen TW play on numerous occasions, competitively and action. He is a better action player by far. You are referring to an event which took place 4 years ago between Danny and Tony. In today's pool world, I believe Danny is the better player. I think Tony would ask for a spot from him today (IMO).

Hatch, Lining, Deuel, Schmidt, Jones, Parica, Daulton, Pagulayan would still be favorites over Danny. Not to mention if Archer or Rodney got a little itchy for some action. and lets forget about other foreigners like Chamat, Immonen, Bustamante, Luat, Hohmann, Reyes, and a host of other Filipinos. Anyhow, I'd say Danny is the ten to twelvth best money player in the COUNTRY. BTW, still love ya JAM

I'll reserve my judgment and try to remember to pull this thread at the end of 2005. I believe Danny is on the brink of peaking in his pool career, and currently I place him on the top shelf. He practices for hours every single day and takes his game very seriously. He has improved 100 percent in the last year (IMO), and his break is just as strong as any of the above-referenced champions.

And yes, I do have a soft spot in my heart for Kid Delicious. He reminds me of a baby Geese. May he rest in peace!

JAM

 

[Tommy-D]

Danny can play..........

> Personally,I don't care how long it takes a man to get down and shoot a ball,everyone seems to slow down a little if there is enough riding on it,but the excessive breaks might cause a problem. I have more of a problem with the players like Tony that run around like a cat with his tail on fire,I have to try really hard to not fall into that kind of pace. I have personally witnessed some strange behavior from Tony,not sure what to make of it but that is probably why his hair is almost totally gray at his age. Danny seems like a pretty good all around guy,keeps his word about things and is GREAT at stirring up action. Tommy D.

 

[tom haney]

johnny Archer and Jeannette Lee's man George are worse
in my opinion . All this constantly readjusting their stance,
up and down on the ball drove me nuts.

hey guys i have heard alot of basavich bashing. how can you bash a guy for
taking a minute to shoot a shot. when they are so much money at stake.
they often times are not just playing with their own money either they have a responsibility to not ony theirselves but their backers. often times during a big week like derby a road player can make as much money as a average joe makes on his job in a year! i have seen the kid play before and let me tell you he doesnt miss much because he takes his time and makes sure he doesnt rush and make a mistake like many others. but much of it is god given talent too.
he has traveled the united states every single state and has cleaned up like a
champion and he has been noted as being the best road player for the last 5 or 6 years. and as many road money players out there thats a big acomplishment brother! and takes alot of heart not to fold under all that pressure. i have seen him play eric durbin one year he came to my way
he gave durbin the 8 and wiped the floor with him. pressure shoots
for big money like 5,000 or so you would think the man was playing for the hell of it no sweat!!the way he beat durbin i thought he was jesus christ in a fat man suit!! as i heard last he was up 5 games on gabe owen well let me tell you owen didnt have a chance then as good as owen is for him to go back around 15 games on the kid aint happening!the kid doesnt loes he only needs a half of a hand to count his losses no matter who hes played. and when owen can say hes the best money player for 5 straight years or more than he can talk
because BEING A ROAD PLAYER AND BEING A TOURNAMENT PLAYER IS 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. PEOPLE USUALLY SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT THE KID BECAUSE CHANCES ARE THEY PROBABLY LOST A WAD TO HIM. PEACE!

 

[JG-in-KY]

I think most of those matchups for Kid might be a tossup, but I would hate to be betting against Paricia or Linning for the cheese! Just my opinion

 

[Williebetmore]

johnny Archer and Jeannette Lee's man George are worse
in my opinion . All this constantly readjusting their stance,
up and down on the ball drove me nuts.

Hondo,
Just a note on George's "stance re-adjusting." Normally he is a very fast player (beat that guy from Sweden in 18 minutes on Wednesday or Thursday); the stance re-adjusting was only on those tremendously difficult "Layouts from Hell" (which unfortunately were extremely frequent against Rodney, Corey, and Efren). Trust me when I say if he had been given a Cosmo, those balls would have disappeared a lot quicker. Probably 8 of the 10 most difficult runouts I saw all week were by George. Almost no one tackles those types of racks trying to runout (I don't think George likes to play safe except as a last resort). Rodney Morris said after his loss to George that he didn't think anyone on the planet could run those last 2 racks that George got through. His last 3 matches he had zero Cosmo's - 9-ball is a stupid game.

 

[Wally in Cincy]

Hondo,
Just a note on George's "stance re-adjusting." Normally he is a very fast player (beat that guy from Sweden in 18 minutes on Wednesday or Thursday); the stance re-adjusting was only on those tremendously difficult "Layouts from Hell" .

Yeah I noticed he did not play slow at all when he actually had a makeable shot LOL

re: Kid Delicious, I wanted to watch him play. I tried, I really did. But after 3 games I just could not take it anymore. If I wanted to watch 30-minute games of pool I can go somewhere and watch two APA 2's go at it.

 

[bud green]

I think Kid can beat anyone in the world right now. He was one hanging eight ball away from winning against Duell (alt break,short race) to win two tourneys in a row with a second before that where he ran 7 or 8 racks on JJ to beat him. He beat Busta in LA and would of beaten him at DCC maybe if he hadn't scratched ( I heard Busta cheered when the cue ball scratched which wasn't considered too classy by spectators. )

He's beaten the best and just beat the US OPEN champ for 4k or something like that. I heard some other pros had a piece of that game - the ones who have been watching him a lot lately are the ones most impressed. He's really starting to roll.

On a different note, I think this guy is THE best chance for popularizing the game more in the nest few years. He likes the attention and has enough character and charisma to pull people in.

 

[big pun]

danny bashing

I think Kid can beat anyone in the world right now. He was one hanging eight ball away from winning against Duell (alt break,short race) to win two tourneys in a row with a second before that where he ran 7 or 8 racks on JJ to beat him. He beat Busta in LA and would of beaten him at DCC maybe if he hadn't scratched ( I heard Busta cheered when the cue ball scratched which wasn't considered too classy by spectators. )

He's beaten the best and just beat the US OPEN champ for 4k or something like that. I heard some other pros had a piece of that game - the ones who have been watching him a lot lately are the ones most impressed. He's really starting to roll.

On a different note, I think this guy is THE best chance for popularizing the game more in the nest few years. He likes the attention and has enough character and charisma to pull people in.

first of all the pace danny plays at is his own choice........second of all he did take some long bathroom breaks!!!.....third of all he is a great guy with a super personality!!!!! and last but not least to all you tony watson fans.......tony can bet as high as he wants to playing kid D some!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[johnrp2005]

hi everybody! now this is a pool forum come to life!
im glad i got a interesting topic and discussion! just didnt mean to step on your toes jam and north carolinian! tony watson is great!just lose the drugs! now about danny its not fair for those people to throw out
established pro tourney players like jose parica, alex pagalyon, johnny archer.
its not and ill tell you why! kid delicious started out in new jersey he worked in a pool room and practiced his butt off everyday philippino style! running crazy drills like 9 ball runout with the cueball not touching any rails. he often got schooled by the areas best and lost all of his money. but all of those lessons and he started turning the tables and started taking their money!
the areas best money player then was a guy nick named kid notorious or kid devastater or something like that! well danny saved his money and decided
hes good enough to beat him in a big money set bet all of his money and beat
him for the title of areas best and one guy yelled out hey this guy bet kid so&so. hes kid delicious!!!! everybody laughed and the name stuck!!!
ever since then kid delicious took his game on the road and for 5 years never lost a set one on one for big money! on the road across the united states playing all the back rooms! he never played pro players like archer or parica
cause he didnt want a big name! he did play all the durbins and little ceasars of the world though and never lost. just recently he has decided to go on pro tour. and not doing bad at all. he even admits going from a road player to a tourney player is different and takes time to adjust but once he does look out. and you can count on him to give his all and feel confident when you bet on him on the side that he wont screw you! thats more than i can say about most road money players! maybe the last great road money player with style before him is the great money road player keith mcready!!!!!!

 

[drivermaker]

Yeah I noticed he did not play slow at all when he actually had a makeable shot LOL

re: Kid Delicious, I wanted to watch him play. I tried, I really did. But after 3 games I just could not take it anymore. If I wanted to watch 30-minute games of pool I can go somewhere and watch two APA 2's go at it.

You're right on the money. He can be the greatest guy in the world, one of the best money players out there with nuts the size of a medicine ball when it comes to the cash, but the slooooowwww play is bullshit. It's 9-BALL for chrissake!! He's a f*#king pro that's seen these shots and similar layouts millions of times and there's no excuse for it. It's irritating and unfair to his opponent and just as bad or worse for spectators. I'm not bashing him as an individual, but until he starts playing at a decent pro pace I want to see everyone of his matches under a shot clock with no exceptions.