Can we bring the conversation back around to the article itself and not whether it should have been posted or not?
Mike
Mike
Basavich in SI: the full article
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BillyRinNC Is this really the venue for this discussion? If you don't agree with the post said:
BillRinNC, thank you for your response, as it allows me to elaborate somemore.
My motives are clear and have not changed since before I came to this board. Read any of my posts and you will see that I have said what I was going to support and not support and I have been consistent in that effort. I have been nothing but upfront about my motives and my principles.
This whole probem was started by an illegal act, not by me. To call me rude for pointing out this crime, seems strange to me, but... In my 24 year pursuit of honesty, I've often been called worse, so I'll accept your label...and I'll work on not being so rude. Thank you for your honest assessment of me.
To elaborate on my motives further, my lifetime goal is: Abiding happiness for me and those I love by integrating honesty into every thought and action I create.
This discussion has been very helpful in that regard and I thank 1pRoscoe and the others who had the balls to respond, even if I may disagree with their conclusions. This is how love spreads and, in this case, the pool world improves.
As for the article, I haven't read more than the first paragraph, when I figured out it was a copy of the SI article, so, no, I can't comment on it, Mike.
Jeff Livingston
What are you guy so uptight about? It says right on the SI story, Email the story to someone ect ect. So I don't think they are to worried...If you leave a copy of SI lying around and 50 people read it do they have to pay too..???
Great article on Pool and we can only talk about infringement issues....No wonder why the state of the Game sucks
Great article on Pool and we can only talk about infringement issues....No wonder why the state of the Game sucks
I really think magazine companies should go visit some doctors & dentists offices and sue them for leaving magazines lying around having hundreds of people reading it. They should purchase 200 copies but only set one of the copies out and only let 200 people read it period! Those damn doctors and dentists will be the downfall of this country!
Really all you guys that have your panties in a knot need to pick your fights better because this one just makes you look like an idiot.
Jeff you are wasting all this time and energy on arguing about this but you haven't even purchased the article yourself... Wow.
Really all you guys that have your panties in a knot need to pick your fights better because this one just makes you look like an idiot.
Jeff you are wasting all this time and energy on arguing about this but you haven't even purchased the article yourself... Wow.
1pRoscoe said:
After you email the article, the person sees only a few sentences. They must also purchase it in order to read it in full. The deal is SI is in the business of making money. The writer also is in the same business. Go buy a book or any magazine off a shelf and publish the entire thing in a web site. See what happens to you. You are required by copyright law to get permission from the owner of the document. I paid and I read it - I will not re-publish it. Just like someone wrote earlier, "Pool players are cheap." Don't let this be the case. Give everyone their fair share. If you do not want to pay, it's simple, don't read it.
By the way a magazine in a dentist office is not reproducible media, The internet is. All copyright laws deal with reproduction, the magazine is the original and legal paid for copy.
Terrific Article
Thanks for the great post Henho. I think we all have a little hustler waiting to burst out and reading this article makes me realise why.
Sean
Thanks for the great post Henho. I think we all have a little hustler waiting to burst out and reading this article makes me realise why.
Sean
sizl said:But I have one question................................
How do you draw the ball when the q-ball is frozen to the end rail? Seeing how the author wrote the Basavich did it in the first paragraph kind of has me curious
Cory Duel did at the Mosconi Cup in 2002 against Nick Van Den Berg, it was simply the most amazing shot I have ever seen. It left a jam packed York Hall with their jaws on the floor. The shot itself has been since referred to as "the shot"
Draw is produced by back-spin on the cue ball. If the cue ball is frozen to the rail you can still shoot down into the top quarter of the ball. (As you would for a jump shot) This produces back sping by pushing down on the top rear edge of the cue ball rather than pushing through the bottom rear edge as you do for a normal draw shot.
It is much harder to do it this way, as it requires much more power and a raised angle stroke. Not only is getting the draw harder but it also makes shooting the shot accurately much tougher too.
Practice it for a few minutes and see if you can get the feel for it. I can get maybe a few inches of draw like this if I shoot from the rail at an object ball about 3-4 feet away, but at least 80% of the time I don't make the object ball so it is shot of absolute last resort for me.
It is much harder to do it this way, as it requires much more power and a raised angle stroke. Not only is getting the draw harder but it also makes shooting the shot accurately much tougher too.
Practice it for a few minutes and see if you can get the feel for it. I can get maybe a few inches of draw like this if I shoot from the rail at an object ball about 3-4 feet away, but at least 80% of the time I don't make the object ball so it is shot of absolute last resort for me.
SI Review
Meanwhile, back at the article. . . . . .
To me the article was typical of the perception of pool by the general masses. The focus was on the prurient aspects, not the tremendous hand-eye coordination, years of practice, etc. it takes to play at the pro level. The difficulty of medical problems versus the difficulty of running 10 racks.
I don't know Danny and am not slamming him by any means. And, I liked reading the article (in my doctor's office lobby - ). But, if the writer wanted to take the direction he did, he should have read McGoorty by Robert Byrne, because it's been done and better.
I'd like to see a George Plimpton Rick Reilly type live a year trying to become a pro tournament pool player (like George did with the Detroit Lions in the 70's) and then write about that. Or take a year in the life of an established international player (Reyes or one of the snooker champs). Just a thought . . . . .
Meanwhile, back at the article. . . . . .
To me the article was typical of the perception of pool by the general masses. The focus was on the prurient aspects, not the tremendous hand-eye coordination, years of practice, etc. it takes to play at the pro level. The difficulty of medical problems versus the difficulty of running 10 racks.
I don't know Danny and am not slamming him by any means. And, I liked reading the article (in my doctor's office lobby -
). But, if the writer wanted to take the direction he did, he should have read McGoorty by Robert Byrne, because it's been done and better.I'd like to see a George Plimpton Rick Reilly type live a year trying to become a pro tournament pool player (like George did with the Detroit Lions in the 70's) and then write about that. Or take a year in the life of an established international player (Reyes or one of the snooker champs). Just a thought . . . . .
sizl said:
I've seen Larry Nevel freeze the cue ball to the end rail, jack up and sink an object ball at the other end of the table and draw back sinking a second object ball right next to the starting cue ball location. The cue ball never touches the far rails. Salisbury, MD last September.
Andy
alinco said:
The thing I didn't understand about it was this...okay I can see drawing off the rail, that's really not that tough, but the writer also described that it was a really sharp (90 degree) cut. So how did it draw back? Seems more likely that the writer might have misunderstood the shot, the term 'draw' or the action of the cueball off of the rail.
Cheers,
Regas
Question for the moralizer....
Is borrowing a book or and article from a friend considered stealing? Is copying pages out of a periodical at a university library so you can write a research paper considered stealing? Does SI own all of the information about Kid D's life? Does SI really mind all of the extra exposure they are getting? Does it bother you that the low prices of the consumer items you buy every day are made possible by Asian slaves who makes pennies an hour? Do you own an SUV that contributes to our dependence on foreign oil that indirectly funds terrorist groups?
Wake up dude!!!! There is alot greater evil in the world you participate in on a daily basis!!!
Is borrowing a book or and article from a friend considered stealing? Is copying pages out of a periodical at a university library so you can write a research paper considered stealing? Does SI own all of the information about Kid D's life? Does SI really mind all of the extra exposure they are getting? Does it bother you that the low prices of the consumer items you buy every day are made possible by Asian slaves who makes pennies an hour? Do you own an SUV that contributes to our dependence on foreign oil that indirectly funds terrorist groups?
Wake up dude!!!! There is alot greater evil in the world you participate in on a daily basis!!!