Bashing other aiming systems

Dan White

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This place is a joke. This guys causes an informative thread to be closed and because I make a complaint I’m the bad guy. Don’t worry about banning me I won’t be back

I'd love it if you would show me the post I made that was responsible for the thread being locked. I had been contributing to that thread since June. I made several posts just before it was locked and not a one of them was negative, just the opposite in fact.

Put up or shut up, friend.
 

Valiant Thor

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OK, apparently this needs to be said again. I do not want to see anyone bashing another aiming system in any way.

If you have a positive experience with an aiming system, then feel free to post it. If you want to discuss the merits of an aiming system, then feel free. But for now, I don't want any comparisons as we all know that will just turn into bashing.

It is amazing to me that we have more reported posts about aiming systems than we do about politics.

This is going to be handled like baseball.

First offense will be a two week vacation.
Second offense will be a month.
Third will be a year.
What are you going to do about Dan whites digging into stans private business affairs? He contacted stans busines partners to try to dig up something that he can use to discredit him publicly. He’s not even on AZ anymore and he still continues to attack him.if you refuse to address this problem you have no credibility.
 

The_JV

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What are you going to do about Dan whites digging into stans private business affairs? He contacted stans busines partners to try to dig up something that he can use to discredit him publicly. He’s not even on AZ anymore and he still continues to attack him.if you refuse to address this problem you have no credibility.
How does what Dan prefers to do with his free time away from AZB have to do with the moderation team at AZB...?

...and if they were actually private he would have been stone walled and gotten no where...lol
 

Dan White

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What are you going to do about Dan whites digging into stans private business affairs? He contacted stans busines partners to try to dig up something that he can use to discredit him publicly. He’s not even on AZ anymore and he still continues to attack him.if you refuse to address this problem you have no credibility.

Stan's book has the name of the "publisher" and their phone number right in the book. I called to see if I could purchase the book directly from them and they said I have to contact the publisher, which is Stan. How is that private again? How is defending myself against ad hominem attacks (which I did not report) a crime?
 

BC21

Poolology
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Stan's book has the name of the "publisher" and their phone number right in the book. I called to see if I could purchase the book directly from them and they said I have to contact the publisher, which is Stan. How is that private again? How is defending myself against ad hominem attacks (which I did not report) a crime?

That's the drawback for taking the route Stan took to get his book out. I think Mark Wilson did the same type of deal. It's not bad if you have the money and don't mind being a book seller for a few years.
 

cookie man

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Stan's book has the name of the "publisher" and their phone number right in the book.
Exactly, the name of the PUBLISHER is right in the book, although you don't have one to check on that lol, And guess who put it there. BUTLER BOOKS you know the people who published it.
 

cookie man

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That's the drawback for taking the route Stan took to get his book out. I think Mark Wilson did the same type of deal. It's not bad if you have the money and don't mind being a book seller for a few years.
It's a drawback depending on how you want to use the book. Stan's is as much a tribute to Hal as anything else. He wasn't looking to sell thousands of them, just looking to get the proper CTE information down in one place.
 

BC21

Poolology
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It's a drawback depending on how you want to use the book. Stan's is as much a tribute to Hal as anything else. He wasn't looking to sell thousands of them, just looking to get the proper CTE information down in one place.

I'm definitely not downing it. Writing a book is.a lot of work, and if you want to see it in print.and available for people to hold it in their hands, it doesn't matter how it gets published. The main difference is upfront costs, that's all.
 

Dan White

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Exactly, the name of the PUBLISHER is right in the book, although you don't have one to check on that lol, And guess who put it there. BUTLER BOOKS you know the people who published it.
Put your money where your mouth is, sport. $1000 right now from each of us goes to Brian since we are both buddies of his. Brian gets to call Carol and ask who really published the book. This is where you either put up or shut up.

You can have 10% vig, Brian ;)
 

Dan White

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It's a drawback depending on how you want to use the book. Stan's is as much a tribute to Hal as anything else. He wasn't looking to sell thousands of them, just looking to get the proper CTE information down in one place.
What? What is the drawback? I thought you just said that Butler did publish the book. Another thing -- why would Butler publish the book and then ship him like all 1000 copies to put in his garage and not list the book for sale on their list of PUBLICATIONS on their website?
 

cookie man

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I'm definitely not downing it. Writing a book is.a lot of work, and if you want to see it in print.and available for people to hold it in their hands, it doesn't matter how it gets published. The main difference is upfront costs, that's all.
Stan did it his way and he has admitted he would be lucky to recoup his money. But he is overly happy with the results and the feedback that he is getting from people that have bought it.
 

cookie man

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Put your money where your mouth is, sport. $1000 right now from each of us goes to Brian since we are both buddies of his. Brian gets to call Carol and ask who really published the book. This is where you either put up or shut up.

You can have 10% vig, Brian ;)
You are getting really anal with all this. Are you related to Frenchy by any chance? You said above that the publisher was listed in the book but now you want to bet on the word of someone named Carol, lol. A person who you by the way said to "tell us to eat shit" Did she really say that or did you make it up? Let's let what the printer and publisher put in the book decide. That's where the truth lies.
 

cookie man

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What? What is the drawback? I thought you just said that Butler did publish the book. Another thing -- why would Butler publish the book and then ship him like all 1000 copies to put in his garage and not list the book for sale on their list of PUBLICATIONS on their website?
Because Stan paid them to do it so psycho assholes like you couldn't buy it would be my guess.
 

Dan White

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You are getting really anal with all this.
I am simply responding to your posts one for one, if that. Had you stopped posting about this I would have as well.

Are you related to Frenchy by any chance? You said above that the publisher was listed in the book but now you want to bet on the word of someone named Carol, lol.
That "someone, lol" would be Carol as in Carol Butler, President of Butler Books.

A person who you by the way said to "tell us to eat shit" Did she really say that or did you make it up?
That's not what was said and no she did not criticize anyone. She could not have been nicer.

Let's let what the printer and publisher put in the book decide. That's where the truth lies.
Oh, OK the president of the company who was instantly familiar with the book doesn't know what she is talking about. The simple fact is you are all talk. You can't stand to be wrong about anything, even when you don't understand the topic, yet you don't have the courage of your convictions. Let's make it easy. Instead of $1000 bet let's make it $100 donation to the charity of the other guy's choice. All you have to do is ask someone like Brian or a neutral party to contact Butler for clarification as to who the publisher is. Should be an easy C-note for your charity.

The other option is simply to put down the shovel and stop digging that hole. Something tells me you can't.
 

Dan White

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Because Stan paid them to do it so psycho assholes like you couldn't buy it would be my guess.
I choose not to report TOS violations like this so people can see your true nature. Although I get into arguments on AZ from time to time I would never say that to someone here. I'm beginning to wonder about Brian's judge of character (not to drag him into this, just sayin').
 

BC21

Poolology
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I am not in this dog fight. Lol.

And I'm not calling Butler Books because I have zero interest in it.

Anyway, there are 3 ways to officially get a book published.

Traditional Publishing... A publisher believes your book will do well and make money, so they publish it at zero cost to you. They do everything but write the book. Authors end up getting anywhere between 5% and 15% royalties (for life) on each book that sells, based on the retail price of the book and whether it's a hardcover or softcover.

Self Publishing... The author publishes the book and works with a print-on-demand company. The author can officially get a business license and name their publishing company "Bebob" (Bob Henning), or "Billiards Press" (Phil Capelle), or "Bookymonster" (me 😊). Authors typically get 40% to 80% royalties for each book that sells, depending on if it sells directly through the printing company or through one of book sellers in the printer's worldwide marketing distribution network, which includes about any bookstore chain, along with Walmart, Amazon, etc...

Author-Funded Publishing...Authors pay publishing companies or printing companies to print X amount of books for X amount of dollars. Books are printed and distributed to the author, who then sells them in order to get their investment back and make whatever profit is available. This is what Stan did with Butler Publishing. It's also what Mark Wilson did with Blue Book Publications.


Almost any pool and billiards book you've seen, or will see, is NOT published by a traditional publishing company. There's just not much of a market in pool and billiards to fancy traditional publishers.
 
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