Battle of the Sexes- Lee & Schmidt

I wonder if anyone here would be interested in a Lee-Schmidt 14.1 match at next years DCC; sponsored by the AZB room. We will have some surplus funds. We were thinking about and Efren/Corey Deuel rotation match (hard to arrange). Would there be people willing to kick in a little extra (say a $50 or $100 donation) for not only playing privileges in the AZB room; but also to sweeten the pot for a 14.1 match (playing privileges will probably be $30 or $35, so it wouldn't be a lot extra)? I feel optimistic that we could get it onto the television table; donators could have the ringside seats.

I think I would like this (and would donate). Anyone else???
 
I'd post up

Williebetmore said:
I wonder if anyone here would be interested in a Lee-Schmidt 14.1 match at next years DCC; sponsored by the AZB room. We will have some surplus funds. We were thinking about and Efren/Corey Deuel rotation match (hard to arrange). Would there be people willing to kick in a little extra (say a $50 or $100 donation) for not only playing privileges in the AZB room; but also to sweeten the pot for a 14.1 match (playing privileges will probably be $30 or $35, so it wouldn't be a lot extra)? I feel optimistic that we could get it onto the television table; donators could have the ringside seats.

I think I would like this (and would donate). Anyone else???
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I doubt seriously that I will be there but I would definitely put some dollars in a fund to encourage a JL/JS match. VIProfessor was just saying that the entire AZB community could get together to better pool by similar efforts. This would be a fine test run in my opinion.

Hu
 
amen

gulfportdoc said:
I don't know if y'all are just real "politically cleansed" or whether some of you may be smoking too much wacky tabacky; but Lee has zero chance against Schmidt in any pool match, with the possible exception of a race to three, 9-ball.

A better Riggs/King type matchup would be Lee vs. someone like Rempe, or another good player who is quite past his prime.

Doc
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amen,i get so sick of people comparing these female players with the men! once you get below the top ten women, they have pretty much zero chance against the men, and for those top ten women, there are at least a 1000 men who play their speed or better! and why i'm at it if you get below the top half of the 64 bracket in any wpba event, those bottom 32 couldn't even win in a mens amateur event!
 
riggs was an old fart to a younger billie jean.

this time the shoe is on the other foot.
 
I wouldn't go quite that far . . . .

:eek: Did you just call Jeanette an old fart? :eek:

One of us really needs some work on our glasses! :) ;) :)


bruin70 said:
riggs was an old fart to a younger billie jean.

this time the shoe is on the other foot.
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instroke75 said:
amen,i get so sick of people comparing these female players with the men! once you get below the top ten women, they have pretty much zero chance against the men, and for those top ten women, there are at least a 1000 men who play their speed or better! and why i'm at it if you get below the top half of the 64 bracket in any wpba event, those bottom 32 couldn't even win in a mens amateur event!
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'Stroke,
You're kidding, right??? You can't be serious. Even gulfportdoc scrammed out of that untenable position.

Perhaps you are confusing 9-ball with "real pool." In a power break game, the men have a huge advantage. Remember this is a thread about 14.1 - NO power break involved.

Neither you nor gulf-man have given us your explanation of how JL and Jasmine Ouschan defeated some champion male straight pool players. How are those results explained by the male chauvinists? How does Karen Corr win regional events against strong male competition? How do JL and Sarah Rousey finish in the top tier at DCC in 9-ball?? Please explain, or your opinions are likely to be disregarded.

Your arguments are vociferous and argumentative, but not supported by any credible evidence. To be considered seriously on this forum, you are going to have to bring a bit more evidence. Opinion is NOT evidence.
 
instroke75 said:
if you get below the top half of the 64 bracket in any wpba event, those bottom 32 couldn't even win in a mens amateur event!
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Where can you find a "Men's Amateur Event", or any "Men's Event" for that matter?

Ken
 
you can't

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Where can you find a "Men's Amateur Event", or any "Men's Event" for that matter?

Ken
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you can't find a mens event because our events are open, but womens events are limited to women: example= LADIES SPIRIT TOUR , vs kbp amateur 9ball which is an open event, kbp actually also has a womens tour which excludes men but the women can play in the men/open events beause we don't care if they play, where as if you opened up the "ladies spirit tour to non pro men, it would get ripped up by local shortstops who could give at least the 7 to almost every girl in there tournaments, and the 6 out to about half of them! i'm not trying to say anything malice about womans pool, i have the upmost respect for all the female pool players, they are a pleasure to be around. they take the game very seriously and act accordingly,they also market there tours ten times better than the men,thats why there's has been around so long! I was simply just stating my personal opinion(liked or not) about the difference in the levels of pool! if i offended anyone, my bad!
 
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Williebetmore said:
'Stroke,
You're kidding, right??? You can't be serious. Even gulfportdoc scrammed out of that untenable position.

Perhaps you are confusing 9-ball with "real pool." In a power break game, the men have a huge advantage. Remember this is a thread about 14.1 - NO power break involved.

Neither you nor gulf-man have given us your explanation of how JL and Jasmine Ouschan defeated some champion male straight pool players. How are those results explained by the male chauvinists? How does Karen Corr win regional events against strong male competition? How do JL and Sarah Rousey finish in the top tier at DCC in 9-ball?? Please explain, or your opinions are likely to be disregarded.

Your arguments are vociferous and argumentative, but not supported by any credible evidence. To be considered seriously on this forum, you are going to have to bring a bit more evidence. Opinion is NOT evidence.
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i'm truly not trying to be chauvanistic, just giving my opinion crappy as you may consider it! those plyers are great players and you did give great examples of how woman have done good competing with the men! but now you go find one of them and see if you can get them to match up in a long gambeling session with=efren,earl,johnny,dennis orcullo,alex p or any of the great top male players i've heard a couple of stores of men mauling the top woman for the cash, allison got her brains beat in supposedly with the 7ball for $10000 by a male player(named tony watson i think) but i don't know if that is true, so don't grill me over it i do know that the great allison who won all those womans titles in snooker did not fare well on the male snooker tour i think she ranked about 350ish at her best. and last i checked she was considered cream of the crop for woman!!!!!!
 
instroke75 said:
amen,i get so sick of people comparing these female players with the men! once you get below the top ten women, they have pretty much zero chance against the men, and for those top ten women, there are at least a 1000 men who play their speed or better! and why i'm at it if you get below the top half of the 64 bracket in any wpba event, those bottom 32 couldn't even win in a mens amateur event!
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You need to get laid real quick ! :D
 
instroke75 said:
i'm truly not trying to be chauvanistic, just giving my opinion crappy as you may consider it! those plyers are great players and you did give great examples of how woman have done good competing with the men! but now you go find one of them and see if you can get them to match up in a long gambeling session with=efren,earl,johnny,dennis orcullo,alex p or any of the great top male players i've heard a couple of stores of men mauling the top woman for the cash, allison got her brains beat in supposedly with the 7ball for $10000 by a male player(named tony watson i think) but i don't know if that is true, so don't grill me over it i do know that the great allison who won all those womans titles in snooker did not fare well on the male snooker tour i think she ranked about 350ish at her best. and last i checked she was considered cream of the crop for woman!!!!!!
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Stroke,
Actually this thread is about straight pool. The 9-ball issue has been discussed endlessly in another thread.

For your edification though, if we MUST discuss 9-ball; at DCC several years ago, a top woman player plunked $10,000 down on the table (her own money) and offered to play anyone even if she could use a designated breaker (there were a group of 3 monster-breakers who offered to help). For the entire week there was exactly ONE taker (who BACKED OUT before the match started). I'm not sure the top men players (or their backers) would feel quite as confident in your assessment. I have never been a believer in rating people according to who refuses to gamble with them; but at this DCC there were TONS of gamblers at the "shortstop" level and way above; but no one stepped up to try for the cash. If it was as easy as you suggest, surely someone would have tried.
 
really

Williebetmore said:
Stroke,
Actually this thread is about straight pool. The 9-ball issue has been discussed endlessly in another thread.

For your edification though, if we MUST discuss 9-ball; at DCC several years ago, a top woman player plunked $10,000 down on the table (her own money) and offered to play anyone even if she could use a designated breaker (there were a group of 3 monster-breakers who offered to help). For the entire week there was exactly ONE taker (who BACKED OUT before the match started). I'm not sure the top men players (or their backers) would feel quite as confident in your assessment. I have never been a believer in rating people according to who refuses to gamble with them; but at this DCC there were TONS of gamblers at the "shortstop" level and way above; but no one stepped up to try for the cash. If it was as easy as you suggest, surely someone would have tried.
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never heard that before, good example, that would tighten up the match, but when i was talking about shorstops, i was talking about regional womans tours like the ladies spirit tour, which in the same respect every time one of the top 10 WPBA members show up, they rob the spirit tour also! we hold the tournaments in the room i work in and i've seen ga young kim rob it,also last year monica webb, helena, and xioting pan finish 1,2,3 with ease because the level of play on that tour isn't really competive to them! did see monica ask tony ruberto for the 7 though!
 
instroke75 said:
never heard that before, good example, that would tighten up the match, but when i was talking about shorstops, i was talking about regional womans tours like the ladies spirit tour, which in the same respect every time one of the top 10 WPBA members show up, they rob the spirit tour also! we hold the tournaments in the room i work in and i've seen ga young kim rob it,also last year monica webb, helena, and xioting pan finish 1,2,3 with ease because the level of play on that tour isn't really competive to them! did see monica ask tony ruberto for the 7 though!
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Someone from the WPBA wins every tour stop on the Spirit Tour and their not all top ten's either. Johnnyt
 
true

Johnnyt said:
Someone from the WPBA wins every tour stop on the Spirit Tour and their not all top ten's either. Johnnyt
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very true johnnyt, tracie and jeannie snap about half of them off!
 
It was last year at the 14.1 WC I watched Lee play and I saw Schmidt. I noticed Lee has several tells when she plays. Much more than Schmidt.

But I am still convinced the graying widow would win.
 
I don't understand, Williebetmore, why you think 1 win against Ralf Souquet shows that JL is better at 14.1, which is what you seem to imply with many of your posts. I also don't understand what reason you could possibly have for thinking Jeanette has some kind of "significant" advantage "especially on tough equipment" when it comes to the tactical side of the game, and bumping balls, etc. It seems clear that if John has run 400, and he runs 100 every day, there is no way Jeanette is BETTER at bumping balls than John, due to the amount of bumping you need to do to maintain such a high level of play. Seeing that John ran 250 or so on 4.5" pockets, and presumably he plays on tough equipment often like most pros, I also don't see how tough equipment somehow favors JL. As far as other tactical parts of the game go, really I don't understand how Jeanette is better. If she moves so much better she ought to be able to beat John playing one pocket, but in actuality she probably needs weight (and I'm being nice saying probably).

John has experience playing under pressure just like her, like winning the US Open against a TOUGH field...JL has back problems now, and even before she was never as good of a 14.1 player as John. This is not a close match any way you cut it, though she could win (obviously). John is just a much better overall player at this point.
 
Williebetmore said:
For your edification though, if we MUST discuss 9-ball; at DCC several years ago, a top woman player plunked $10,000 down on the table (her own money) and offered to play anyone even if she could use a designated breaker (there were a group of 3 monster-breakers who offered to help). For the entire week there was exactly ONE taker (who BACKED OUT before the match started). I'm not sure the top men players (or their backers) would feel quite as confident in your assessment. I have never been a believer in rating people according to who refuses to gamble with them; but at this DCC there were TONS of gamblers at the "shortstop" level and way above; but no one stepped up to try for the cash. If it was as easy as you suggest, surely someone would have tried.
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Can anyone verify this? Which top woman player was this? If this is true then I expect that this story would be well known. Even if it wasn't easy action, if you see people accepting action as tough as Orcollo for the same amount at DCC then I can't see everyone being afraid of this bet.
 
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Williebetmore said:
Even gulfportdoc scrammed out of that untenable position.
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Neither you nor gulf-man have...
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Williebetmore, I don’t know which part of my original post offended you to the point where you continue these petty taunts. Perhaps you’ve engaged in so many flame wars that you are unable to tolerate any opinion that differs from your own. However, I don’t appreciate your little schoolgirl personal insults.

In regards the original post in this thread, Joey A. and I are friends. We’ve kidded each other often over the years, and I usually have a pretty good idea where Joey is coming from. When he proposed a “battle of the sexes”, I understood him to mean that such a match would consist of many games or several sets. There are many players who could prevail over a superior player in a single game. However, if Lee and Schmidt were to play a 14.1 match of 500-600 points, or perhaps a match of 3-5 races to 125-150 points, then in my opinion Lee would have no chance to win. Would she be capable of winning a game? Of course. I once beat Chris MacDonald in a straight pool game to 125 points. I had to pull off a run of 40 and another of 50-something to do it. But I’d be lucky to beat him once in 5 times, and I’d have zero chance to beat him in a set of any length.
 
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