Battle of the Sexes- Lee & Schmidt
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JoeyA said:
i think John would eat her alive. but i think you'd like to see that game go through
gulfportdoc said:
Doc,
On what are you basing this opinion? Seems there were a bunch of players at the world tournament that found out she could play. Are you saying John is that much better than Ralf Souquet (whom Jeanette defeated)? I think the record will show that Ralf's straight pool credentials are impeccable, and most 14.1 guru's would place him ahead of JS.
Is JS the favorite over JL? Yes.
Does she have "zero chance" as you suggest? No. To suggest this is just insulting - your mission was accomplished.
To suggest she has no chance makes us think YOU may have been into the "wacky tobaccy" (or at least watching too much 9-ball). Have you actually seen her compete in 14.1? I know of no one who has seen her play competitive 14.1 that thinks she has no chance. Perhaps you were thinking there was a power break in 14.1; or that 9-ball is the same as straight pool.
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Ktown D said:
Ktown,
When the "voice of reason" says "zero chance" - many would think that is a somewhat "unreasonable" assessment - unless you guys know how JS magically became much better than Ralf Souquet (I must have missed this news...too busy playing pool I guess).
I'm a BIG JS fan, but I just can't see how you rank him that far above Ralf, who has accomplished much more in 14.1 than JS has.
I think the idea of straight pool for a big tv draw is not good. People would want to see jeanette at the table and if they tune in during John's high run then the channel will get changed.
Jeanette is GREAT for tv because she gets pumped up after each game like Vivian does and you would never get to see that happen once with 14.1.
I hope to see something like this but it needs to be with something else. Would Jeanette be okay with being spotted the 8 winner takes the big check?
Jeanette is GREAT for tv because she gets pumped up after each game like Vivian does and you would never get to see that happen once with 14.1.
I hope to see something like this but it needs to be with something else. Would Jeanette be okay with being spotted the 8 winner takes the big check?
The Bottom Line
Doc is one of those old school male chauvinist pigs. Nah, I'm just kidding. But I doubt if he has ever seen Jeanetter play 14.1. DOC?
You need to get out more often, Doc.
I have seen John Schmidt have a bad match playing straight pool where I thought I would have had a chance against him and I can't spell strait pool.
The bottom line is that MANY people would love to see the two of them playing regardless of the outcome.
Some who believe Jeanette has no chance would just melt at the thought of seeing John Schmidt roast Jeanette and prove them right.
Then there are the realists who know that if Jeanette Lee gets healthy and starts getting into 14.1 shape, she may ICE John in one single match of 14.1.
Regardless, they are both very photogenic, have great personalities and both can play a mean game of straight pool.
JoeyA
---------------------------------Williebetmore said:
Doc is one of those old school male chauvinist pigs. Nah, I'm just kidding. But I doubt if he has ever seen Jeanetter play 14.1. DOC?
You need to get out more often, Doc.
I have seen John Schmidt have a bad match playing straight pool where I thought I would have had a chance against him and I can't spell strait pool.
The bottom line is that MANY people would love to see the two of them playing regardless of the outcome.
Some who believe Jeanette has no chance would just melt at the thought of seeing John Schmidt roast Jeanette and prove them right.
Then there are the realists who know that if Jeanette Lee gets healthy and starts getting into 14.1 shape, she may ICE John in one single match of 14.1.
Regardless, they are both very photogenic, have great personalities and both can play a mean game of straight pool.
JoeyA
JoeyA said:
Joey,
Now I'm pretty sure YOU are the "voice of reason". As you imply, most straight pool buffs know that the nature of the game is somewhat one-sided contests. The person getting to the "open table" first has a definite advantage, whether that person is male or female.
I'll say it once more, so no one accuses me of unreasonable bias (though it is QUITE obvious I am a huge JL fan); JS is certainly the favorite, but JL has a definite chance. I think many may be swayed by the "high run" mentality. I believe that competitive 14.1 is VERY different than high run attempts. I also believe that JL has a huge advantage in the amount of competitive 14.1 played (she has competed for years on super-tough equipment in 14.1, I've never even heard of her attempting a high run on an easy table) - it has to help her a bit.
It's time for everyone to realize that 9-ball is not the true measure of a player; nor are straight pool "high runs" (though they certainly mean something). JMO.
P.S. - I wonder what JS thinks about it. If he is ever in the area, I will offer Betmore's Basement as neutral ground for the match. I will provide food, beverage, lodging, table, ref, video, opponent (we will get JL here by hook or by crook), and rabid fans..... WOW, that would be an event (but someone else needs to put up the prize money, I've only got a twenty in my pocket....hey, we could charge substantial admission and use that).
P.P.S. - Since watching the fabulous DCC match between Pagulayan and Schmidt; I have to say that JS is a great player and should have the respect of all 14.1 fans. I can't think of ANY player except JL that I would root for over JS.
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I think even tho lee's run 152, I'd like to see jasmin oschan do this. She's beautiful and she happened to beat schmidt at the 2006 world straight pool championship, running 56 and out. She ran an 85 in the same tournament and finished 8th ahead of several big name male players.
No offense to jeanette
It's just he already gets tons of TV time. I loved her performance playing scotch doubles 9 ball with her husband against johnny archer/jennifer baretta recently.
No offense to jeanette
It's just he already gets tons of TV time. I loved her performance playing scotch doubles 9 ball with her husband against johnny archer/jennifer baretta recently.
If they play One Pocket, Bank Pool and 14.1, Jeanette is not the big "dog' everyone thinks she is. John might be about a 3-2 or 8-5 favorite to win two of the three matches. And if someone gave me 2-1 I'd have to go for Jeanette. By now, everyone knows how bad I handicap matches, so I should have no problem getting action.
Now all we have to do is get them to the table. Who's got ten thousand to burn? It would take that much to bring them both to the table, say $7,500 to the winner, and $2,500 to the other player. It might make a great DVD for Accu-Stats.
Now all we have to do is get them to the table. Who's got ten thousand to burn? It would take that much to bring them both to the table, say $7,500 to the winner, and $2,500 to the other player. It might make a great DVD for Accu-Stats.
If Jasmin plays John, they have to play 9-Ball, 14.1 and Eight Ball. I actually think John is a bigger favorite over her. I won't go into all the reasons now.
You're probably right, lee's got experience playing higher pressure matches and is prolly a better player overall. In the other hand Ouschan might not cost as much to bring to the table
Grady mathews did a neat battle of the sexes tour with allison fisher playing 1 pocket and 9 ball, right? It seems like a winning idea for anyone, they don't have to be, erm, 'telegenic'. I'd get an accustats dvd of it no matter what if it's world class talent.
Grady mathews did a neat battle of the sexes tour with allison fisher playing 1 pocket and 9 ball, right? It seems like a winning idea for anyone, they don't have to be, erm, 'telegenic'. I'd get an accustats dvd of it no matter what if it's world class talent.
gulfportdoc said:
I would put John as 160/100 money favorite playing straight pool to 200. Jeanette's best game is straight pool she used to spend 24/7 learing from the New York legends when she was coming up. John has a bigger advantage the longer game they play, but I seen Jeanette play straight pool two times in competition and both times she won against Tony Robles (she ran 70+ and out), and against Jose Garcia (she ran a 100+) Jose lost something like 150-20?. Jeanette has a ton of heart and she and George are both not afraid to bet. John has all the talent in the world, but Jeanette (while being the underdog) can win at 14.1, races in 9ball, races in short rack banks. If they played 14.1 to 500 or more I have John as a 220/100 money line favorite. No chance would be me playing Mr. 400.
Huck
If they were to play 10 ahead 9 ball or a 14.1 match to between 300 and 500 I think JL has minimal chance to win either set. Perhaps no chance was a bit too harsh. I think she has maybe a 10% chance in 14.1 and less than that in 9 ball. I really don't think her chances playing any kind of ahead set in 1P would be any better. This is not to belittle her in any way but I do see a significant gap in ability between the two.Williebetmore said:
If I am wrong it won't be the first time.
Ktown D said:
K-man,
Now we're talking "reasonable".
None of my comments were addressed at anything other than 14.1 (the subject of this thread).
My estimate would be for JL to win 2 or 3 or 4 matches out of 10 against JS if her back is not acting up that day. Our estimates are not that far apart.
I think there is a definite gap in pocketing ability level at this time (JL nowhere near her top form); but I think JL's tactical advantage is quite significant, especially if our dream match is played on super tough equipment. On easy equipment, I think her chances are much less.
huckster said:
Huck,
Fabulous post. I couldn't agree more.
speeling can be ovarated
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COLLECTION GURU said:
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You guys ...
that always want these Boston Marathon matches just slay me.
Gee, we could match up and play till one of us dies, and then the remaining player would be the winner ..... and the best too, because he lasted longer .... LMAO .... LOL .....
that always want these Boston Marathon matches just slay me.
Gee, we could match up and play till one of us dies, and then the remaining player would be the winner ..... and the best too, because he lasted longer .... LMAO .... LOL .....
Snapshot9 said:that always want these Boston Marathon matches just slay me.
Gee, we could match up and play till one of us dies, and then the remaining player would be the winner ..... and the best too, because he lasted longer .... LMAO .... LOL .....
Snap-man,
Yes, you are correct, the "short and sweet" games ARE all the rage now. I can't wait for the new "World 3-Ball Championship" (it's a race to 2). I also happen to know that breakup is planning a new professional 2-ball tour (as soon as he learns to count that high).
I personally anxiously await the arrival of the One-ball championship, as waiting for those guys to make 3 balls can sometimes drag on quite a bit.
Nothing personal
I am still pissed off after playing by the game for 16 hours and breaking even, 25 years ago. I mean a guy has got to have priorities, and breaking even is not one of mine!!! ..... LOL
I mean I looked at this logically, in grade school and junior high, I was a dash runner, not a long distance runner, but I always had a 2nd wind too, so I figured sets were me ... makes sense, right?
Williebetmore said:
I am still pissed off after playing by the game for 16 hours and breaking even, 25 years ago. I mean a guy has got to have priorities, and breaking even is not one of mine!!! ..... LOL
I mean I looked at this logically, in grade school and junior high, I was a dash runner, not a long distance runner, but I always had a 2nd wind too, so I figured sets were me ... makes sense, right?