BCA HOF Banquet

[Island Drive]

The good intentions of BCA HOF banquet is too honor and recognize greats from the past and present, as they laid the groundwork and in turn help keep the mfg and distributors churning. It for sure wasn't home table sales that helped create the BCA office. On the other side of the coin, the BCA mfg. and distributors do not try and support/help/grow the game in all facets....which can only Help the Players and in turn....Help the BCA board members increase SALES and increase PLAY and get the BCA bankroll back to where it was at over 3mil in early 2000. I might be wrong, but do they even have a mil in the bank NOW, guess I could look since it's non-profit 401C3 corp. Am I missing something? Why don't they get this? I know over 90% of all products are sold to home owners which treat it as a game like checkers, thus not giving it enough help to become a true SPORT. Why not go after the play side which will have Future Benefits that are KEY to helping all who are involved within this industry too become even healthier. There are some many intelligent and creative individuals on the BCA board, why not use there talents, not for them but for us all.

 

[Scott Lee]

Good grief Bill! When are you gonna get over yourself, and your vendetta against the BCA? Why does the BCA have to have anything to do with pro players? Nobody in pool, no matter how good, is entitled to getting paid for what they do (unless they are an instructor or a pool entertainer). I do both of those, and I make a good living at them. That said, I work HARD for what I get. I don't stand around looking for a handout. The BCA is a THREE PERSON organization...not 50 like it was in the days of million dollar budgets. Currently they help organize and fund an important organization...the PBIA. That's the future of the sport...not the pro players. Sorry if you can't "get" that.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

 

[Joe_Jaguar]

Good grief Bill! When are you gonna get over yourself, and your vendetta against the BCA? Why does the BCA have to have anything to do with pro players? Nobody in pool, no matter how good, is entitled to getting paid for what they do (unless they are an instructor or a pool entertainer). I do both of those, and I make a good living at them. That said, I work HARD for what I get. I don't stand around looking for a handout. The BCA is a THREE PERSON organization...not 50 like it was in the days of million dollar budgets. Currently they help organize and fund an important organization...the PBIA. That's the future of the sport...not the pro players. Sorry if you can't "get" that.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

The PBIA is the future of the sport? Are you off your meds? :rotflmao1:

Another to the ignore list.

 

[Scott Lee]

Certainly moreso than your ridiculous idea that gambling is the path to success. I don't take any meds...how about you? Professional instruction is the quickest, most successful path to becoming a better player. That's a proven fact.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

The PBIA is the future of the sport? Are you off your meds? :rotflmao1:

Another to the ignore list.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Certainly moreso than your ridiculous idea that gambling is the path to success. I don't take any meds...how about you? Professional instruction is the quickest, most successful path to becoming a better player. That's a proven fact.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Its easy to detect the extreme bias in your evaluation of the BCA. I believe I read somewhere you were once a board member? In my 60 some yrs. as an active player, I have never seen the BCA take an active stance on anything that actually promoted the game, as a sport. I think Mr. Meecham's points are well made, and much too kind. I don't see where he was trying to promote gambling, as key to making successful inroads, to bettering our game.

The very few promotions the BCA have been involved in, have always favored the manufacturing entities. They seem to think all they need to do, is honor a few deserving player's (dead or alive) with a plaque, and a nice dinner! Why don't they do more to promote tournaments, like their counterparts do in the rest of the world? Sometimes it even looks like they are afraid of losing control if they helped organize a functional professional players organization. (like the PBA, PGA, etc.) Without that, the sport can never grow and be successful.

Yes Mr. Lee, good instructor's are necessary in any game. But, I fail to see why they are not leading the charge, to promote a Pro organization or union? I'm sure you've noticed, the competition for any sport/game/entertainment dollar, is now fiercer than its ever been. Pool rooms are failing in record numbers..If something doesn't change, (and soon) there won't be any players left to 'instruct'!

 

[Island Drive]

Meow

Good grief Bill! When are you gonna get over yourself, and your vendetta against the BCA? Why does the BCA have to have anything to do with pro players? Nobody in pool, no matter how good, is entitled to getting paid for what they do (unless they are an instructor or a pool entertainer). I do both of those, and I make a good living at them. That said, I work HARD for what I get. I don't stand around looking for a handout. The BCA is a THREE PERSON organization...not 50 like it was in the days of million dollar budgets. Currently they help organize and fund an important organization...the PBIA. That's the future of the sport...not the pro players. Sorry if you can't "get" that.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Settle down Scott, they are going to give awards to pros, pick the fruit as I see it but not willing to fertilize the fields, and my intentions are NOT for the pros, but to increase play world wide. If it wasn't for the players their organization would of never been created. Over the past fifty years, if you ever saw their budget and where allot of their ownership rights came from, you'd realize....that....what pool players have created in the past gives them income in perpetuity. There never was fifty people in office counting the board members. I never said you didn't work hard for your time and efforts. Tho I do remember someone who cried too get his academy into the instructor program. It had nothing to do with increasing play for all, it was self serving. Humm ironically it sounds like the demographics are on both sides of the court eh . If your attending the banquet it's a fun time, hope your able.

 

[Scott Lee]

OMG Dick! Can you really be that dense? You want people who teach pool for a living, contributing to the sport on a daily basis, to "lead the charge" towards a pro player "union" (I think that may be an oxymoron: pro player union LOL), after they continue to shoot themselves in the foot decade after decade...and said 'pro organization' has exactly what to offer in return for us 'leading the charge'?

As for my alleged bias towards the BCA. Nothing could be more ridiculous. I've been involved only with the instructor program, helping it grow for the past 25 years. That has nothing to do with the BCA board of directors, which I have never served on...ever. I've also spent the last 20 years promoting pool through college exhibitions nationwide. What exactly has SJD done to promote the game to the masses? Do I disagree with everything Bill has to say? Certainly not. You're right that he makes some valid points. The problem is that he's been kicking the same dead horse for years. Get over it, and move on.

The BCA is a manufacturers organization, with some involvement with pool room owners, and retail outlets. That's always been their focus...like it or not. When they decided to divest the BCA pool leagues, and discontinue sponsorship of any professional events or pro players...those were corporate decisions, that I had no say in, nor opportunity to even post an opinion.

The BCA as an influence on professional pool is over, with the sole exception of continuing and expanding support for young players. The PBIA however, is very involved with providing guidance and influence for all ability players...even the pros...at least the ones that are smart enough to come to us. :grin: Don't worry about us running out of students. We have enough right now, to keep us all busy for 50 years!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Edit: I just wanted to clarify that any comments made about the BCA are my opinion only, and do not represent the views or opinions of the BCA.

Its easy to detect the extreme bias in your evaluation of the BCA. I believe I read somewhere you were once a board member? In my 60 some yrs. as an active player, I have never seen the BCA take an active stance on anything that actually promoted the game, as a sport. I think Mr. Meecham's points are well made, and much too kind. I don't see where he was trying to promote gambling, as key to making successful inroads, to bettering our game.

The very few promotions the BCA have been involved in, have always favored the manufacturing entities. They seem to think all they need to do, is honor a few deserving player's (dead or alive) with a plaque, and a nice dinner! Why don't they do more to promote tournaments, like their counterparts do in the rest of the world? Sometimes it even looks like they are afraid of losing control if they helped organize a functional professional players organization. (like the PBA, PGA, etc.) Without that, the sport can never be successful.

Yes Mr. Lee, good instructor's are a necessary in any game. But, I fail to see why they are not leading the charge, to promote a Pro organization or union? I'm sure you've noticed, the competition for any sport/game/entertainment dollar, is now fiercer than its ever been. Pool rooms are failing in record numbers..If something doesn't change, (and soon) there won't be any players left to 'instruct'!

 

[Scott Lee]

Jeez Bill...In case you hadn't noticed, participation in pool worldwide is up many, many times what it was 50 years ago...and we don't seem to be doing too well at competing anywhere near the "top of the heap", with a very few exceptions. You'd know more about how many people worked for the BCA, than I would. Didn't you work there? I have no idea what this imagined "income in perpetuity" is, but I can tell you Rob Johnson, BCA CEO, would sure like to know about it. Like I told you before, it's the Rob & Shane (Tyree) show at the BCA. Just how much do you expect two people to be able to accomplish? Their continued support of the BEF, and the Atlantic Cup are ways they continue to support poolplayers.

What's this "crying" you refer to? I've been part of the instructor program since it's original inception. I've earned everything I have, and that includes my traveling pool school & exhibition tour. At least I can look in the mirror, and say I've never skipped out on a hotel bill...can you say the same? :nono: As for attending the HOF dinner...no...some of us have to actually work for a living. But I'm sure a LOT of my friends will be there, and no doubt will have a great time!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Settle down Scott, they are going to give awards to pros, pick the fruit as I see it but not willing to fertilize the fields, and my intentions are NOT for the pros, but to increase play world wide. If it wasn't for the players their organization would of never been created. Over the past fifty years, if you ever saw their budget and where allot of their ownership rights came from, you'd realize....that....what pool players have created in the past gives them income in perpetuity. There never was fifty people in office counting the board members. I never said you didn't work hard for your time and efforts. Tho I do remember someone who cried too get his academy into the instructor program. It had nothing to do with increasing play for all, it was self serving. Humm ironically it sounds like the demographics are on both sides of the court eh . If your attending the banquet it's a fun time, hope your able.

 

[SJDinPHX]

OMG Dick! Can you really be that dense? You want people who teach pool for a living, contributing to the sport on a daily basis, to "lead the charge" towards a pro player "union" (I think that may be an oxymoron: pro player union LOL), after they continue to shoot themselves in the foot decade after decade...and said 'pro organization' has exactly what to offer in return for us 'leading the charge'?

As for my alleged bias towards the BCA. Nothing could be more ridiculous. I've been involved only with the instructor program, helping it grow for the past 25 years. That has nothing to do with the BCA board of directors, which I have never served on...ever. I've also spent the last 20 years promoting pool through college exhibitions nationwide. What exactly has SJD done to promote the game to the masses? Do I disagree with everything Bill has to say? Certainly not. You're right that he makes some valid points. The problem is that he's been kicking the same dead horse for years. Get over it, and move on.

The BCA is a manufacturers organization, with some involvement with pool room owners, and retail outlets. That's always been their focus...like it or not. When they decided to divest the BCA pool leagues, and discontinue sponsorship of any professional events or pro players...those were corporate decisions, that I had no say in, nor opportunity to even post an opinion.

The BCA as an influence on professional pool is over, with the sole exception of continuing and expanding support for young players. The PBIA however, is very involved with providing guidance and influence for all ability players...even the pros...at least the ones that are smart enough to come to us. :grin: Don't worry about us running out of students. We have enough right now, to keep us all busy for 50 years!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

You seem to enjoy talking down to people, Mr. Lee. My 'density' as you call it, is based on my experience as a very competitive player (and gambler) for most of my life. What are 'your' credentials in that area? I also did not know more was expected of me, in the field of "promoting the game"? Thats your chosen field of endeavor. Please forgive me for thinking you should have any interest at all, in the formation of a viable pro organization!

I can't argue with the fact, that the players themselves, have never put their best foot forward in trying to organize, they need a lot of help and guidance. Forgive me also, for thinking the only long existing entity we have, (the BCA) should be the group who should provide that. Jack Breit (Jersey Red) and I, made a half-hearted effort at organizing fellow pro's, in the mid 60's. We found it to be a very difficult and time consuming task, more than we wanted to devote to it at the time.

Yes, there will always be amateurs seeking to improve their skills at pool. Whether it be taking lessons from you, or buying the latest 'aiming system', or 'cure-all', for the stroke they will probably never have! You've been around enough to know that to be true! I am not questioning your 'business ethics' but you must know, you can only show them the basic fundamentals, the rest is up to the individual. I remember you saying yourself, "you cannot buy a stroke"! (but I'll bet you don't tell them that before they sign up for lessons :nono

As for your "never ending. supply of students" you managed to sidestep the point I made, regarding pool room closings, and the general state of the game today! Yes, pool is still enjoyed by millions, worldwide..But it is mostly 'Joe Sixpack' playing leagues. Its just a way to get out of the house, and he ain't giving up his beer money to take lessons from anybody! (PBIA member or not)

Enjoyed our chat..now its cocktail time.

 

[JAM]

The good intentions of BCA HOF banquet is too honor and recognize greats from the past and present, as they laid the groundwork and in turn help keep the mfg and distributors churning. It for sure wasn't home table sales that helped create the BCA office. On the other side of the coin, the BCA mfg. and distributors do not try and support/help/grow the game in all facets....which can only Help the Players and in turn....Help the BCA board members increase SALES and increase PLAY and get the BCA bankroll back to where it was at over 3mil in early 2000. I might be wrong, but do they even have a mil in the bank NOW, guess I could look since it's non-profit 401C3 corp. Am I missing something? Why don't they get this? I know over 90% of all products are sold to home owners which treat it as a game like checkers, thus not giving it enough help to become a true SPORT. Why not go after the play side which will have Future Benefits that are KEY to helping all who are involved within this industry too become even healthier. There are some many intelligent and creative individuals on the BCA board, why not use there talents, not for them but for us all.

Well said, and I agree. BCA is supposed to be the governmental organization for pool, and this means PROFESSIONAL pool. What have they done for pro pool lately? I would love to read all about it, but I'm sure it's a big fat goose egg. :angry:

 

[Mr. Bond]

The good intentions of BCA HOF banquet is too honor and recognize greats from the past and present, as they laid the groundwork and in turn help keep the mfg and distributors churning. It for sure wasn't home table sales that helped create the BCA office. On the other side of the coin, the BCA mfg. and distributors do not try and support/help/grow the game in all facets....which can only Help the Players and in turn....Help the BCA board members increase SALES and increase PLAY and get the BCA bankroll back to where it was at over 3mil in early 2000. I might be wrong, but do they even have a mil in the bank NOW, guess I could look since it's non-profit 401C3 corp. Am I missing something? Why don't they get this? I know over 90% of all products are sold to home owners which treat it as a game like checkers, thus not giving it enough help to become a true SPORT. Why not go after the play side which will have Future Benefits that are KEY to helping all who are involved within this industry too become even healthier. There are some many intelligent and creative individuals on the BCA board, why not use there talents, not for them but for us all.

I think you answered your own question Bill.
It's not that they don't " get it ", it's the fact they have no money that prevents them from doing more.

I'm not going to defend the BCA any more than I would defend the WPA, because I know they would never defend me. However, I have in fact taken the time to speak at length with Shane, Rob and a couple of past presidents, and to presume that they don't know or don't care about the state of pool would be incorrect.

Their funding issue is the final manifestation of a series of bad decisions, some bad politics, and some bad luck too. And unfortunately it has taken this many years to finally realize , diagnose and begin to correct the many problems they face.

(Also keep in mind, that in their absence, new promoters moved in and set up shop, making competition amongst events tougher than ever. Where would the BCA even squeeze in an event? And also in their absence, a whole generation of players has learned that there is nobody in charge. They do what they want and answer to no one. How well do you think they will respond to a governing body with no credibility?)

Now the biggest hurdle, besides cash, is credibility, and the ability to rebuild what has been lost. It won't be easy and it won't happen fast but they are at least on the right track now.

Prime examples being the BEF and the newly established Atlantic Challenge Cup, both of which have done an extraordinary job of bringing junior pool [ read: our future players] out into the spotlight, even at the international level. There are now over 40 state qualifiers for juniors whereas a few years ago there was like 6.

They are clearly and effectively focusing on the future, and not the past.
Are they back to what they once were? Certainly not.
Are there 100 more things they can do to promote the sport? Certainly.
But this sport is a hot mess and I'm sure that no matter who is faced with tackling it, they will indeed have the challenge of the century.

Give it some thought for a moment, what you might do different for the industry, and the first question you'll have to answer is " how do I pay for all this"?

 

[Island Drive]

I think you answered your own question Bill.
It's not that they don't " get it ", it's the fact they have no money that prevents them from doing more.

I'm not going to defend the BCA any more than I would defend the WPA, because I know they would never defend me. However, I have in fact taken the time to speak at length with Shane, Rob and a couple of past presidents, and to presume that they don't know or don't care about the state of pool would be incorrect.

Their funding issue is the final manifestation of a series of bad decisions, some bad politics, and some bad luck too. And unfortunately it has taken this many years to finally realize , diagnose and begin to correct the many problems they face.

(Also keep in mind, that in their absence, new promoters moved in and set up shop, making competition amongst events tougher than ever. Where would the BCA even squeeze in an event? And also in their absence, a whole generation of players has learned that there is nobody in charge. They do what they want and answer to no one. How well do you think they will respond to a governing body with no credibility?)

Now the biggest hurdle, besides cash, is credibility, and the ability to rebuild what has been lost. It won't be easy and it won't happen fast but they are at least on the right track now.

Prime examples being the BEF and the newly established Atlantic Challenge Cup, both of which have done an extraordinary job of bringing junior pool [ read: our future players] out into the spotlight, even at the international level. There are now over 40 state qualifiers for juniors whereas a few years ago there was like 6.

They are clearly and effectively focusing on the future, and not the past.
Are they back to what they once were? Certainly not.
Are there 100 more things they can do to promote the sport? Certainly.
But this sport is a hot mess and I'm sure that no matter who is faced with tackling it, they will indeed have the challenge of the century.

Give it some thought for a moment, what you might do different for the industry, and the first question you'll have to answer is " how do I pay for all this"?

Appreciate your good thoughts. I did hear behind the scenes From a VERY credible source, that when the contract was signing for the E Coast trade show, a HUGE miscue occurred. Cost em $800,000 hard by not reading the contract with the hotel. What happened? They guarantee a certain number of rooms would be filled for those attending the venue, and if that didn't happen they would guarantee payment. Because of that, a huge amount was lost, surprising since Mfg. Distributors and Ex. directors live and die by the pen and paperwork. The only way I saw to increase play and develop a true amateur field of play was by supporting the BCA pool room owners Members. Which would then increase pool room members and events, which was in the 400's when they moved from IA to CO. From within this demographic group a true amateur ranking system could of been developed. Any great sport has it's roots in the amateur field of play. Fell on deaf ears during the early years of their move to Colorado Springs. Ironically Sean Cummings who was the BCA board president before Rob, quit the Board and Brunswick right after the last board meeting in Boulder. If you know how to get a hold of Sean Cummings Please PM me.

 

[Cornerman]

The good intentions of BCA HOF banquet is too honor and recognize greats from the past and present, as they laid the groundwork and in turn help keep the mfg and distributors churning. It for sure wasn't home table sales that helped create the BCA office. On the other side of the coin, the BCA mfg. and distributors do not try and support/help/grow the game in all facets....which can only Help the Players and in turn....Help the BCA board members increase SALES and increase PLAY and get the BCA bankroll back to where it was at over 3mil in early 2000. I might be wrong, but do they even have a mil in the bank NOW, guess I could look since it's non-profit 401C3 corp. Am I missing something? Why don't they get this? I know over 90% of all products are sold to home owners which treat it as a game like checkers, thus not giving it enough help to become a true SPORT. Why not go after the play side which will have Future Benefits that are KEY to helping all who are involved within this industry too become even healthier. There are some many intelligent and creative individuals on the BCA board, why not use there talents, not for them but for us all.

I'm missing why the BCA Hall of Fame Banquet is headlined in your post. Can you clarify for me?



Freddie

 

[Island Drive]

I'm missing why the BCA Hall of Fame Banquet is headlined in your post. Can you clarify for me?



Freddie

Front page AZ there is an insert about the banquet that's coming up....I heard that it takes place at the US Open each year (which is great). The banquet directly supports and acknowledges current and past players, of their achievements and also others non-players (walter tevis the author) that were instrumental in promoting & increasing play, like Fats/Mosconi and many others.

 

[Cornerman]

Front page AZ there is an insert about the banquet that's coming up....I heard that it takes place at the US Open each year (which is great). The banquet directly supports and acknowledges current and past players, of their achievements and also others non-players (walter tevis the author) that were instrumental in promoting & increasing play, like Fats/Mosconi and many others.

In case it's not obvious, the BCA Hall of Fame is and has been for almost 10 years managed and run by the United States Billiard Media Association. So, I just wanted to make sure the separation, as the Association is really concentrating on the Hall of Fame, and not the BCA Trade Organization.

It is true that many of the members are certainly associated with the BCA, many are not.

Freddie <~~~ USBMA since 2008

 

[Island Drive]

In case it's not obvious, the BCA Hall of Fame is and has been for almost 10 years managed and run by the United States Billiard Media Association. So, I just wanted to make sure the separation, as the Association is really concentrating on the Hall of Fame, and not the BCA Trade Organization.

It is true that many of the members are certainly associated with the BCA, many are not.

Freddie <~~~ USBMA since 2008

Thanks for this information.

So the BCA gave up all rights to their HOF permanently by selling it or???

Do you know of any other rights the BCA has given up, sold, or let others take over?

 

[Cornerman]

Thanks for this information.

So the BCA gave up all rights to their HOF permanently by selling it or???

I don't believe there was anything sold. The USBMA was formed primarily to manage the Hall of Fame. The BCA wanted a formal process, with a Hall of Fame voted on similarly to other professional sports like MLB. So, even though the process has to do with the BCA, the USBMA and the HoF voting is its own entity with primarily one focus: Hall of Fame induction.

Do you know of any other rights the BCA has given up, sold, or let others take over?

Well, the BCA obviously sold off their BCA Leaugue to Mark Griffin, who now calls that league the "BCAPL."

 

[Mark Griffin]

BCA and all the comments

It's late and I'm tired- but I've got to respond.....

Ive know Bill Meachem for years. And known of SJD for years. I also have known Scott Lee for 20+ years, and Mr. Bond for just a couple of years.

You guys all have pieces of the puzzle - but none have the answer. I was on the BCA Board of Directots about 10 years ago. I am the only board member actually thrown off the board!! All because of bad and inaccurate communication.

There were 460 or so room members a few years ago. Over 90% are no longer members. The BCA has made lots of mistakes. They did have to pay hotel attrition at the 2007 Charlotte NC event.but $800K is an exaggeration.

Scott Lee appreciates the value of amateurs, but I feel the BCA is being negligent with the pros!! The BCA points events became obsolete.

A major problem is the BCA is now a trade Association! The institutional memory is just weak. Most board members don't get it .........
It's unfortunate. But it can be fixed. Find some presentable board member that can motivate the pro players. Create a decent product.

And there's more............

 

[SJDinPHX]

It's late and I'm tired- but I've got to respond.....

Ive know Bill Meachem for years. And known of SJD for years. I also have known Scott Lee for 20+ years, and Mr. Bond for just a couple of years.

You guys all have pieces of the puzzle - but none have the answer. I was on the BCA Board of Directors about 10 years ago. I am the only board member actually thrown off the board!! All because of bad and inaccurate communication.

There were 460 or so room members a few years ago. Over 90% are no longer members. The BCA has made lots of mistakes. They did have to pay hotel attrition at the 2007 Charlotte NC event.but $800K is an exaggeration.

Scott Lee appreciates the value of amateurs, but I feel the BCA is being negligent with the pros!! The BCA points events became obsolete.

A major problem is the BCA is now a trade Association! The institutional memory is just weak. Most board members don't get it .........It's unfortunate. But it can be fixed. Find some presentable board member that can motivate the pro players. Create a decent product.

And there's more............

Thanks for your very knowledgable insight Mark..Obviously few of us know (or knew) the inner workings, or the financial structure of the BCA..But, its quite clear they have done very little in the way of promoting the game itself! And there has been NO visible effort to improve on that!..If they don't want to actively represent the game and its players, why don't they just call it "The Billiard Manufacturers Association of America"?.. I'm glad you made a point of how little they have done for professional pool! ..Someone like yourself would be a valuable addition to their staff, but I guess they blew that 10 yrs. ago. (not surprising)

PS..Yes, creating a "decent product" should be their number one priority!..But it is certainly easy to see why someone like you, or Barry Hearn would not be interested in taking on such an uphill battle!..Besides, there doesn't seem to be any room for successful businessmen in their organization!

 

[Island Drive]

It's late and I'm tired- but I've got to respond.....

Ive know Bill Meachem for years. And known of SJD for years. I also have known Scott Lee for 20+ years, and Mr. Bond for just a couple of years.

You guys all have pieces of the puzzle - but none have the answer. I was on the BCA Board of Directots about 10 years ago. I am the only board member actually thrown off the board!! All because of bad and inaccurate communication.

There were 460 or so room members a few years ago. Over 90% are no longer members. The BCA has made lots of mistakes. They did have to pay hotel attrition at the 2007 Charlotte NC event.but $800K is an exaggeration.

Scott Lee appreciates the value of amateurs, but I feel the BCA is being negligent with the pros!! The BCA points events became obsolete.

A major problem is the BCA is now a trade Association! The institutional memory is just weak. Most board members don't get it .........
It's unfortunate. But it can be fixed. Find some presentable board member that can motivate the pro players. Create a decent product.

And there's more............

Mark thanks for being more specific and I'd like more..........And Mark.

Most board members don't get it .........You hit this nail on the HEAD.


I still think the foundation of getting something going within the industry is via the pool rooms, but ya gotta GIVE to get anything in life. Give room members something that will truly increase business instead of what's been done in the past. All successful businesses became successful only thru change. Many businesses that never changed, as society changed are not still with us, unless it's a mom/pop hot dog joint. The original BCA office is a shell of what it once was, very sad. But in life ya gotta get it wrong before ya get it right, but it's been decades now and.....................