BCA in Vegas vs DCC which is better?
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Cuebacca said:
I think Marrissa just mis used or misunderstood the true definition of "Banger"...I don't think BCA is full of bangers... I don't think she's calling me a banger.
I've done something very similar and got "Chewed" for it...
I asked someone - long time ago - what "lock artist" meant and I was told it's someone who doesn't book loosing games - so I thought that was a complement...
One day, I was talking to Billy Incardona about games and such and I said, "I heard you're a lock artist?"... Man, did he blow up! I thought it was a complement, but he took it as an insult. I don't use that word anymore as a complement
S.
I hate when I mis use the spell check
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There is no right or wrong choice here, it's what you
want out of an event that matters.
hugs
mrs.g
ps I loved every moment of the dcc, and never wanted to leave,
in vegas after 3 days I can't wait to leave. lol
want out of an event that matters.
hugs
mrs.g
ps I loved every moment of the dcc, and never wanted to leave,
in vegas after 3 days I can't wait to leave. lol
I think years ago it was pretty common to have lots of 'Bangers' in the Open field at the BCA. You could count on your first opponent or two to be a 'B' or 'C' player just there for fun. But things have changed in the past 2 years. Maybe it's the economy, but the players there were no joke on the barbox. My 2 loses in the Open division I didn't miss one ball. I just lost both coin tosses.
And the Open Team division is no joke either. Ike Runnels team took 5th I think.
I agree about the Women's division too. Kelly Fisher won the Women's Grand Masters over Bonnie Plowman. Iris Ranola (2nd in the US Open), took 1st or 2nd in the Masters (I forget).
My team was able to knock off the Porteguese National Team. And there were many great international players and teams on hand.
I think we all agree that the DCC is probably good for all the people that are addicted to AZB and can't function when there is a site upgrade. ha ha. Both events are the nuts!
And the Open Team division is no joke either. Ike Runnels team took 5th I think.
I agree about the Women's division too. Kelly Fisher won the Women's Grand Masters over Bonnie Plowman. Iris Ranola (2nd in the US Open), took 1st or 2nd in the Masters (I forget).
My team was able to knock off the Porteguese National Team. And there were many great international players and teams on hand.
I think we all agree that the DCC is probably good for all the people that are addicted to AZB and can't function when there is a site upgrade. ha ha. Both events are the nuts!
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That's why I amended my post. And Sunny is no banger, by the way!sunnyday said:I think Marrissa just mis used or misunderstood the true definition of "Banger"...I don't think BCA is full of bangers... I don't think she's calling me a banger.
I've done something very similar and got "Chewed" for it...
I asked someone - long time ago - what "lock artist" meant and I was told it's someone who doesn't book loosing games - so I thought that was a complement...
One day, I was talking to Billy Inaction about games and such and I said, "I heard you're a lock artist?"... Man, did he blow up! I thought it was a complement, but he took it as an insult. I don't use that word anymore as a complement
S.
Also, why people keep referencing my post/name is beyond me, since I am certainly not the first or only person who said BCA was for bangers. (muttley, Fatboy)
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In my years of experiencing these two events, these are my observations.
I would recommend attending both at least ONCE. The same with the US Open and SBE. Turning Stone is relatively new compared to the others, but if you like the casino-pool tournament mix, it should be on the list.
BCA League event in May has two pro tournaments, plus 250+ bar box and around 5,000 players competing for approximately $500,000 in prize money.
Pluse it is HOT (in the high 90s and low 100s) in May in Vegas
The Derby City Classic is in January and has 3 huge Pro events that allow for amateurs to play. There are approximately 30 Nine Foot Diamond tables for tournament competition and another 9 or so for Matching up. The temperatures are around 12 for a low and as high as the mid 40s. Rain and Snow (and yes ICE) are part of the wintry weather mix. Usually the total pool player count for this January event is around 1200.
I would recommend attending both at least ONCE. The same with the US Open and SBE. Turning Stone is relatively new compared to the others, but if you like the casino-pool tournament mix, it should be on the list.
BCA League event in May has two pro tournaments, plus 250+ bar box and around 5,000 players competing for approximately $500,000 in prize money.
Pluse it is HOT (in the high 90s and low 100s) in May in Vegas
The Derby City Classic is in January and has 3 huge Pro events that allow for amateurs to play. There are approximately 30 Nine Foot Diamond tables for tournament competition and another 9 or so for Matching up. The temperatures are around 12 for a low and as high as the mid 40s. Rain and Snow (and yes ICE) are part of the wintry weather mix. Usually the total pool player count for this January event is around 1200.
Will not vote as I have only been to Vegas.
yes he is good to the pool world.sunnyday said:BCA and DCC are both great eventsHowever, they are geared toward different types of audience. Derby is where you can meet all the world class players and play among them if you want to take a swing. You can watch matches played out with such finesse and skills that most average pool players can't even imagine of executing. Whereas at BCA, all levels of players from beginners to pros can compete among their similar levels (Open, Master and Grand Master) and everyone has a chance of winning. There are team events, mini tournaments, scotch doubles and second chance events... It's more geared to have group and family fun and promote team bonding.
Weather you like Derby or BCA is your own preference, but that Mark Griffin must be doing something right
S.
Not to nit pick but it isn't the BCA who puts on the Vegas event it is the BCAPL. Couple of letters make a big difference. The BCA has nothing to do with Vegas anymore as far as I know.
Both events are great. If you want 24 hour hard core action DCC is the place. If you want a 24 hour party and lots of bar table pool then Vegas is the place. Last year we were lucky to have what I consider one of the greatest action matches of the modern era take place in Vegas: SVB vs Alex along with a great bar table match between Scott Frost and Darren Appleton.
There were some other solid action matches in Vegas last year that went down at the Cue Club. We are working on a plan to get those matches to happen at the Riv and keep the top players there for everyone to see instead of going off site.
If I had to pick just one I would have to go with the Derby with Vegas a very close second. The SBE is a stellar event as well with its own feel and atmosphere. Together they are fantastic cross section of pool in America.
Both events are great. If you want 24 hour hard core action DCC is the place. If you want a 24 hour party and lots of bar table pool then Vegas is the place. Last year we were lucky to have what I consider one of the greatest action matches of the modern era take place in Vegas: SVB vs Alex along with a great bar table match between Scott Frost and Darren Appleton.
There were some other solid action matches in Vegas last year that went down at the Cue Club. We are working on a plan to get those matches to happen at the Riv and keep the top players there for everyone to see instead of going off site.
If I had to pick just one I would have to go with the Derby with Vegas a very close second. The SBE is a stellar event as well with its own feel and atmosphere. Together they are fantastic cross section of pool in America.
An excellent thread for sure.
Though I voted for the BCA event, for reasons noted in post #18 of this thread, I think those that have made the case for Derby City have made their case well. The Derby City Classic and those who make it happen are among the greatest jewels in the crown of American pool.
The more I think about this debate, the more I realize that one's view on the subject is, at least in part, a matter of what one thinks of when considering pool in America.
If you tend to see American pool as consisting of the professional scene and the serious action scene alone, then Derby City gives you everything you could ever dream of. The 2009 Derby City experience gave you access to all of the following over nine glorious days:
Bank Pool Ring Game
Fatboy Ten Ball Challenge
Bank Pool Tournament
One Pocket Challenge
Accu Stats Game Show Event
One Pocket Tournament
Straight Pool Challenge
Nine Ball Tournament
A long action race between Reyes and Van Boening
A long action race between Bustamante and Van Boening
Mini tournaments in the wee hours of the night
..... and that ain't all. What more could you ask for? I must admit that I had a wonderful time and a wonderful experience at Derby City this year. Seriously, what more could one possibly ask for?
..... in my case, the answer is the recreational amateur players, especially the female players. That's because to me, the recreational players are really what pool is all about, and the pro scene, it has always seemed, is only loosely tied to the well-being of the sport. The health of pool, strangely, and perhaps even regrettably in the eyes of some, is very much in the hands of the amateurs. And the growth and well-being of amateur pool is highly dependent on the ever-growing participation of the lady players.
If Derby City offers the greatest sampling of the most elite male players, it doesn't, in my eyes, represent the ultimate congregation of all who have a hand in our sport's present and future. The BCA extravaganza in Vegas does, and that's why it gets my vote.
Choosing between the DCC and the May BCA festivites is like choosing between a Jaguar and a Corvette. You'll be very happy with either.
Though I voted for the BCA event, for reasons noted in post #18 of this thread, I think those that have made the case for Derby City have made their case well. The Derby City Classic and those who make it happen are among the greatest jewels in the crown of American pool.
The more I think about this debate, the more I realize that one's view on the subject is, at least in part, a matter of what one thinks of when considering pool in America.
If you tend to see American pool as consisting of the professional scene and the serious action scene alone, then Derby City gives you everything you could ever dream of. The 2009 Derby City experience gave you access to all of the following over nine glorious days:
Bank Pool Ring Game
Fatboy Ten Ball Challenge
Bank Pool Tournament
One Pocket Challenge
Accu Stats Game Show Event
One Pocket Tournament
Straight Pool Challenge
Nine Ball Tournament
A long action race between Reyes and Van Boening
A long action race between Bustamante and Van Boening
Mini tournaments in the wee hours of the night
..... and that ain't all. What more could you ask for? I must admit that I had a wonderful time and a wonderful experience at Derby City this year. Seriously, what more could one possibly ask for?
..... in my case, the answer is the recreational amateur players, especially the female players. That's because to me, the recreational players are really what pool is all about, and the pro scene, it has always seemed, is only loosely tied to the well-being of the sport. The health of pool, strangely, and perhaps even regrettably in the eyes of some, is very much in the hands of the amateurs. And the growth and well-being of amateur pool is highly dependent on the ever-growing participation of the lady players.
If Derby City offers the greatest sampling of the most elite male players, it doesn't, in my eyes, represent the ultimate congregation of all who have a hand in our sport's present and future. The BCA extravaganza in Vegas does, and that's why it gets my vote.
Choosing between the DCC and the May BCA festivites is like choosing between a Jaguar and a Corvette. You'll be very happy with either.
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The main difference is that the BCA is primarily a small table event. That somewhat limits the action and the players. If you want to see more of the best players in the world, DCC is your best bet. And at DCC we get top flight Banks and One Pocket!
DCC has more of a 'reunion' atmosphere to it, and the BCA is more of a big pool party. For an old timer (although I don't feel like one) like me, it is great to see my old buddies and reminisce. The BCA is full of new (and young) faces of people who don't me and I don't know them.
I go to both, and even have tried to play in both. There are things I like and dislike about both of them. Louisville in January will never be my cup of tea. And Vegas wears on me quick. I still like playing bar pool (especially on Diamonds), but I will never play in the team events again. It's too much of a zoo. I enjoy playing at DCC (particularly Banks and One Pocket) but always seem too busy to give it my best effort.
Ultimately it ends up a matter of personal choice. I just wish the pool industry had five or six more events like this every year we could chose from. I guess the SBE is the only other one comparable. Again Valley Forge in March isn't my cup of tea either. The one time I went, it was freezing cold, parking was atrocious, rooms were hard to come by and expensive, getting around the area was difficult and the amateur events didn't thrill me. The action room was also a zoo with no place to sit and watch anything.
DCC has more of a 'reunion' atmosphere to it, and the BCA is more of a big pool party. For an old timer (although I don't feel like one) like me, it is great to see my old buddies and reminisce. The BCA is full of new (and young) faces of people who don't me and I don't know them.
I go to both, and even have tried to play in both. There are things I like and dislike about both of them. Louisville in January will never be my cup of tea. And Vegas wears on me quick. I still like playing bar pool (especially on Diamonds), but I will never play in the team events again. It's too much of a zoo. I enjoy playing at DCC (particularly Banks and One Pocket) but always seem too busy to give it my best effort.
Ultimately it ends up a matter of personal choice. I just wish the pool industry had five or six more events like this every year we could chose from. I guess the SBE is the only other one comparable. Again Valley Forge in March isn't my cup of tea either. The one time I went, it was freezing cold, parking was atrocious, rooms were hard to come by and expensive, getting around the area was difficult and the amateur events didn't thrill me. The action room was also a zoo with no place to sit and watch anything.
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Great thread...Diamond Products and their great staff produce the DCC
CueSports International produces the BCAPL event at the Riviera in May
Just a note, Mark Griffin is either 100% (CSI) or partial (Diamond) owner of these two companies - food for thought.
Please read the Feb. 2009 issue of Billiards Digest as Mark Griffin was named Man of the Year!
By the way, I'm paid to organize and manage the NCS a division of CSI - I write this thread contribution because as a person I felt it need to be pointed out.
What makes both events so spectacular is the people, not only those who produce and run the event but the players and the vendors also!
See you in May! Holly