Bca league payouts ....how much should the div. Rep get

As a long-time league operator I've done it out the "passion" for the game as well. Basically, my services free and I get "tipped" at the banquet by some of the players and usually ends up to be $150. Lots of work for little reward. The laundry list from Jerry was sad but true.

However, I have heard of a general rule of thumb that others have used. From the league dues the league operator takes out $1 per player per week. So for your 36-player league that amounts to $36 per night x 22 weeks = $792 for the season. I think that is a really strong payout for the league operator. I would be happy with half that pay but I'm easy ;)
 
At the start of the year we pay $25.00 for sanction fees..... $10 for local league and $15 for BCA....... like I stated we took 1st at received $990.....I believe 2nd took $752.....not sure the break down below that .....but last place received $148..... and as far as tournaments I won both.....this week 1st place was $60....each player had to pay $8.00 to play in both tournaments


AND........is 20 percent the normal cut for first place ????

After the cut. 6336.00 total
Rep payout. - 1386.00
= 4950.00

1st is 990.00 That is 20 percent
 
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Wow ......the list that guy posted earlier..... you forgot cooking dinner for all the teams. LOL !!!!.



No trophies is this league. No end of season party...... like I said just pick up the money and score sheet in a few places and input stats....print out wekly results that's it.
 
Sounds like the OP should volunteer to do the job next season for a much reduced pay out. We are often quick to say others get paid too much without asking if we would or could do it just as well for less compensation.
 
The rep getting almost 22% of the weekly fees does seem too high.

But think of it this way... you paid in a total of $201... $8/week for 22 weeks plus $25... and you walked away at the end of the session with $330... $129 more than you paid in.

You did alright... but the rep did better. :thumbup:

As others have stated, it's a lot of work and some grief at times. Try it some time and then re-assess what the rep should earn for his/her work.

I ran a league for almost 10 years and I know what the job entails.
 
dr9ball said:
Sounds like the OP should volunteer to do the job next season for a much reduced pay out. We are often quick to say others get paid too much without asking if we would or could do it just as well for less compensation.[/QUOT

i dont know if I missed something or not, but it sounds to me that the league that he is in, is not a "not for profit league" so he really couldnt volunteer. As far as the BCAPL, I couldnt find anything in the manual about taking money out of league funds to pay Divisional Reps or really anynoe so I am assuming that this league just is a way to qualify for BCAPL Nationals, and is not actually ran by a BCAPL Rep.

What I would suggest is that the OP ask the league for its bylaws or policy on how the league is ran and how the money is distributed if it is a non profit league. If it is not a non profit league and refuse's to give that information to him, then that is their right as a business, but a red flag would come up in my eyes if they didnt at least want to discuss it. I that case, my suggestion would be for the OP to establish a new league with bylaws and policies so there is a way for the players to be protected.

Oh, as far as how much should a Secretary, Division Rep, League Manager get? In my opinion, that should be determined by the players before the league even starts so there is no confusion. It should be based off of each player, not a total amount. Anotherwords,,,how much are you personally willing to pay to not have to do that job and not look at the total of how much that would be if every player paid that amount.

I think that the ones that complain about paying $10 out of their pocket towards the secretary fee arent really complaining about the $10 they spent, but what they are complaining about is that they see 100 players paying $10 and they feel they are missing out on having a chance at that $1000 rather than understanding it is going towards a product that is needed to run a league.
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POOL724 said:
Wow ......the list that guy posted earlier..... you forgot cooking dinner for all the teams. LOL !!!!.

No trophies is this league. No end of season party...... like I said just pick up the money and score sheet in a few places and input stats....print out wekly results that's it.
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Not sure why you even posted this thread in the first place. It seems like you already made your mind up and you discount any work the rep or LO did for the league.

In my league we paid out $7000 and first got $1600 so that's 22%. If they are paying out all the places then of course 1st is going to get less.

"They just pick up the money and score sheet in a few places and simply key in the stat's and print it out."

That to me sounds like this: The Rep drives around town to pick up score sheets and money from all the participating rooms, he makes sure to keep good money records of each and every team each week. The next day he drives over to the bank and deposits the money in the account. (I know he has to do this because the BCA Requires you have a bank account setup just for the league). Good thing he took the time to go setup an account just for this league ahead of time. Then he keys in all the chicken scratchings of scores from every single match into a computer. If a team has a new player he has to fill out this BCA Sanction information with Legal Name, Address, etc. and submit that and $15 to the BCA. If he's using the leaguesys system from the BCA he has to setup the entire league in there which includes keying in every players name. He has to work with the BCA in setting up this application and get his league entered correctly into leaguesys, which also means loading up a full schedule for all matches including home and away and making sure the schedule works out for every location (ie. has enough tables for multiple teams scheduled at the same place, etc.). Once all the stat's are entered correctly he can generate team and individual standings and then use the paper he purchased, his printer and toner cartridges to print off all the paper for standings. He uses the same to give everyone all the rules, the scoresheets for each week, etc. Then after he hands out all the standings and pays out the players he can have the satisfaction that the players are happy he ran the league for them and they got paid :rolleyes:

Like they always say, "If you don't like it, start up your own and run it however you like."
 
Well then......you know how a league runs..... I am just asking people if the Rep. Payout is high or not...I thank you all for your input

Since you are giving all this info....... I have one question for you about your Arizona league....does your Rep working one night with around 12 teams make $1386.00 for a 22 week season ?
 
I don't know how these numbers compare to other leagues but if the LO is making $60/week and it takes him even only three hours of his time then it doesn't seem excessive to me. $20 an hour is not asking too much. In my league at least, the LO does a good job and I sure wouldn't want to do it.
 
I think so.......and let me make sure you guys understand.....this a person who has one night. ..12 teams. A 3 person league..... again this is a Rep. NOT a league operator

Stuckart sorry......just looked at a old thread.......you said if you could have your way you would pay your self 800-1000 for the a 20 week season..that is 400-600 less than ours ...and like you said that isn't what you actually got paid..... so your league pays you way less than ours .......which is what everyone else is saying...... our Rep is getting paid way to much.......thanks for the input
 
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I set the amount I got paid and that is because I really want to build the best league in town. And now that I have that I'm more than happy to do most of the leg work for next to nothing. In exchange I get to compete with the best players in the state and that is helping me improve my game.

There are other leagues in my area that are taking 30+% or more out to run the league and I'm constantly getting called from their players to see if they can get into my league next season.

Your guy might have taken a little too much out, but it doesn't sound that crazy to me.

One other question, how do you know he took that much out if you don't know what all the other teams received? Was there any individual payouts too, like Top Shooter, Most Break and Runs, etc.?
 
Again this is a Rep. And has ONLY one night.
No top break and run
No top shooter
No top table runs
No top female
No end of the season party

Just payouts
1st 990
2nd 752 ?
Not sure the rest but last place received 148
 
POOL724 said:
I think so.......and let me make sure you guys understand.....this a person who has one night. ..12 teams. A 3 person league..... again this is a Rep. NOT a league operator

Stuckart sorry......just looked at a old thread.......you said if you could have your way you would pay your self 800-1000 for the a 20 week season..that is 400-600 less than ours ...and like you said that isn't what you actually got paid..... so your league pays you way less than ours .......which is what everyone else is saying...... our Rep is getting paid way to much.......thanks for the input
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I don't know that he's getting "way too much." I think we've found a few selfless generous folk here on AZ who want to grow the sport and see it thrive and do their part. Good for them.

You and others keep talking about the percentage returned or the ratio of the payout to the administrative fee. Those are meaningless statistics.
What's important is how much paid per player per night for the administrative tasks.

Somebody mentioned a buck a player a night is common.

Yours is a little higher but not crazy higher. But consider yours is a small league --36 players. There's no economy of scale.

I can imagine if the size of your league tripled to around 100 players, the administrative work probably wouldn't triple. Perhaps it would double. Then maybe the buck a player would be sufficient.

I think your league is fine. Just enjoy it. Congratulations for winning!
 
mikepage said:
I don't know that he's getting "way too much." I think we've found a few selfless generous folk here on AZ who want to grow the sport and see it thrive and do their part. Good for them.
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The selfless generous folks that do it for the love of the game and want to see the game thrive are the ones that get burned out or kicked in the teeth by people that don't appreciate it :)

Those people eventually leave the game or stop giving their time to see this game thrive. It's those people we need to take care of, whether it be money, recognition a medal...something.

Most people say they don't do it for the money or the recognition, but a little bit of either will keep them involved a hell of a lot longer...

just sayin...
 
I don't begrudge the ops making more money than teams, but when our team finished in first place in the legaue last fall, we didn't even make enough to cover what we paid in during the season.

That just doesn't seem right to me.....but I still play.

Jeff Livingston
 
Believe me I love the game and promote it......
I havebeen playing along time and been going to BCA events since the 1978 BCA championships in Rochester Minnesota.... Like I said the person who picks up score sheets and imputs scores should not get more than the first place team.....simple fact.. Just a Rep one night a week...... NOT a LO......I just wanted input..... and from all of you geting back to me shows our team was right.......This thread is done.....again good luck in Vegas.
 
At a quick glance it looks like he took maybe 1/6th or 1/10th of the pot and likely paid a lot of spots giving back quite a ways into the pool. I wouldn't say he took too much. He did for sure pay himself, BUT I am sure he had plenty of crying to deal with as does any LO. Believe me I know, I ran an independent league for 3 years and at times thought I may need to hire a kindergarten teacher to get the children under control.

You could always try the APA if you think he's taking too much from the players. I hear they pay back 100% :cool:
 
IMHO the League Operator can take what they want UNLESS the Payout Percentages are spelled out in Black & White, if spelled out in Black & White than you know up front the percentage to players get, and what percentage the League Op GETS.
 
All I know is that Eva Laurance is an APA league operator and if being a league operator makes you look like that then we should ALL be league operators.
 
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