BCA Letter

pooldawg85

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Hay all. I'm new but been following for a long time. My friend got this letter from the BCA last night. He said I could post it.

Dear Professional Pool Players,

It is obvious that correct information is not reaching the players, so in the spirit of helping us all to better understand how we find ourselves in the middle of this situation, I offer the following.

In the fall of 2006 the BCA was at a crossroads. At that point, with a new CEO, staff and many new board members, we took a hard look at every facet of the BCA. We went line item by line item through the budget and considered every program in which we were involved. Obviously, during the process the subject of the BCA serving as the North American Representative to the WPA came up. With regard to this issue we asked ourselves the same question we asked ourselves on every budget item, what's the benefit?? In this case the answer was to help American pool players succeed. See, we believe that the entire industry will prosper as professional players prosper. We're all connected together in the game of pool.

Once we determined to remain as the North American representative to the WPA, we committed to taking our responsibility seriously. We committed to creating a better relationship with the WPA and you, the U.S. player that can benefit from our association with the WPA. This organization gives you an opportunity to participate in events with prize funds large enough to provide you with real income. The WPA is a vehicle for you as professional players to get recognized globally. Global recognition can bring endorsements from companies throughout the world. It is obvious that the re-popularization of this sport has begun outside of our country and it is central to the future health of the American game to take advantage of the opportunities that the WPA presents and to grow on the global stage.

We also committed to developing a process for managing our relationship and duties with the WPA in a professional and transparent manner. It's very simple, if we're going to do this, we're going to do it right. We also wanted to do it in partnership as we have many other areas of focus under the BCA umbrella. Unfortunately, we have not been able to fulfill our commitment to managing this process in the manner we determined and it's time for a change. Let me give you a few examples. When the WPA offers invitations to these world-class events we pass them on to the UPA to manage. Sometimes they are filled, sometimes not (with no updates along the way as to interest in participating), sometimes they are turned down at the last minute (so the spots can't be filled by another organization), deadlines are constantly missed for keeping us and the WPA in the loop on this process and communication to the players regarding this event is inconsistent and unprofessional at best.

This makes us all look extremely unprofessional. To sanction a rankings event without regard to the fact that a major world competition had already filled those dates on a public calendar months before was irresponsible enough to warrant corrective action. Additionally, seats to another WPA world championship were offered when they were not authorized or permitted. Add this to past infractions such as the failure of the UPA to inform all of the eligible players that the BCA was providing a $1,300 travel stipend to all American competitors in the WPA World 9-Ball Championships last fall and it is obvious that the BCA could no longer tolerate the results of allowing the UPA to manage this process.

Now, with respect to the ranking process itself, in the past year-and-a-half, the BCA agreed to continue to delegate the job of ranking the American players to the UPA with the faith that these rankings would be reasonably constructed. But the current situation is that the rankings list contains events that stretch much too far into the past. Rankings need to reflect current performance, not the performance of the last few years. And the points need to protect the players whose lives are affected so drastically by them. For example, Shane Van Boening went to the World 8-Ball Championship and sacrificed 25% of his points for 2008 because he missed the Desert Shootout. This is patently unacceptable as we will not have the American champions treated unprofessionally and unfairly. Further detriment to American players continues today with the unbelievable demand, supported by the UPA, to remove certain players from the BCA rankings list, the very list that provides players with the ability to participate in the income opportunities from events overseas and on our own soil. We will not honor this request to harm our players. All who participate in ranking events will be ranked and those who are deserving of invitations to the major events will receive them. If they wish to turn those invitations down, that is their privilege, but the process will be fair, clearly spelled out and transparent for all to view.

The claim that the BCA does nothing for the professionals is very disingenuous. It is the BCA that provides the funding for the GenerationPool.com event. It is the BCA that funds travel for professionals to world championships. It is the BCA who recognizes that the American players are not being properly informed about the current situation in international billiards and has taken steps to correct that situation. To our knowledge, the UPA has put no players on national television in order to promote them as we have and has funded no events in recent times. The BCA has promoted and televised the spring event for a number of years and has always gone into its own pocket to do so without ever realizing or expecting a profit.

How committed is the BCA to promoting the game and its players? The 2007/2008 BCA budget includes $160,000+ to cover the costs on the BCA 9-ball event next month in Charlotte (featuring six hours of programming on ESPN), $40,000 in WPA membership, travel grants and expenses and $50,000 in grant money to the Billiard Education Foundation to promote junior programs. That's more than $250,000 not counting the staff time that manages all of these projects. That's a commitment.

As you know, the BCA is comprised of many programs aimed at supporting vast areas of the pool industry. One of these areas is professional play and the players dedicated to making a living playing the game. We take our desire to help American pool players succeed very seriously. We have individuals that want to help, including our new CEO that comes from a sports marketing and public relations background. Let's use his and all of our expertise to grow for the future. We have no desire to do the process alone. Our efforts are dedicated to bringing this sport back to life in the U.S.



Sincerely,




Ivan Lee - President
Billiard Congress of America Board of Directors
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MikeM said:
...your response.

MM...popping some corn...


My wife just went to the grocery and got me a case of popcorn AND beer.
Doug
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pooldawg85 said:
Hay all. I'm new but been following for a long time. My friend got this letter from the BCA last night. He said I could post it.

Dear Professional Pool Players,

It is obvious that correct information is not reaching the players, so in the spirit of helping us all to better understand how we find ourselves in the middle of this situation, I offer the following.

In the fall of 2006 the BCA was at a crossroads. At that point, with a new CEO, staff and many new board members, we took a hard look at every facet of the BCA. We went line item by line item through the budget and considered every program in which we were involved. Obviously, during the process the subject of the BCA serving as the North American Representative to the WPA came up. With regard to this issue we asked ourselves the same question we asked ourselves on every budget item, what's the benefit?? In this case the answer was to help American pool players succeed. See, we believe that the entire industry will prosper as professional players prosper. We're all connected together in the game of pool.

Once we determined to remain as the North American representative to the WPA, we committed to taking our responsibility seriously. We committed to creating a better relationship with the WPA and you, the U.S. player that can benefit from our association with the WPA. This organization gives you an opportunity to participate in events with prize funds large enough to provide you with real income. The WPA is a vehicle for you as professional players to get recognized globally. Global recognition can bring endorsements from companies throughout the world. It is obvious that the re-popularization of this sport has begun outside of our country and it is central to the future health of the American game to take advantage of the opportunities that the WPA presents and to grow on the global stage.

We also committed to developing a process for managing our relationship and duties with the WPA in a professional and transparent manner. It's very simple, if we're going to do this, we're going to do it right. We also wanted to do it in partnership as we have many other areas of focus under the BCA umbrella. Unfortunately, we have not been able to fulfill our commitment to managing this process in the manner we determined and it's time for a change. Let me give you a few examples. When the WPA offers invitations to these world-class events we pass them on to the UPA to manage. Sometimes they are filled, sometimes not (with no updates along the way as to interest in participating), sometimes they are turned down at the last minute (so the spots can't be filled by another organization), deadlines are constantly missed for keeping us and the WPA in the loop on this process and communication to the players regarding this event is inconsistent and unprofessional at best.
This makes us all look extremely unprofessional. To sanction a rankings event without regard to the fact that a major world competition had already filled those dates on a public calendar months before was irresponsible enough to warrant corrective action. Additionally, seats to another WPA world championship were offered when they were not authorized or permitted. Add this to past infractions such as the failure of the UPA to inform all of the eligible players that the BCA was providing a $1,300 travel stipend to all American competitors in the WPA World 9-Ball Championships last fall and it is obvious that the BCA could no longer tolerate the results of allowing the UPA to manage this process.
Now, with respect to the ranking process itself, in the past year-and-a-half, the BCA agreed to continue to delegate the job of ranking the American players to the UPA with the faith that these rankings would be reasonably constructed. But the current situation is that the rankings list contains events that stretch much too far into the past. Rankings need to reflect current performance, not the performance of the last few years. And the points need to protect the players whose lives are affected so drastically by them. For example, Shane Van Boening went to the World 8-Ball Championship and sacrificed 25% of his points for 2008 because he missed the Desert Shootout. This is patently unacceptable as we will not have the American champions treated unprofessionally and unfairly. Further detriment to American players continues today with the unbelievable demand, supported by the UPA, to remove certain players from the BCA rankings list, the very list that provides players with the ability to participate in the income opportunities from events overseas and on our own soil. We will not honor this request to harm our players. All who participate in ranking events will be ranked and those who are deserving of invitations to the major events will receive them. If they wish to turn those invitations down, that is their privilege, but the process will be fair, clearly spelled out and transparent for all to view.

The claim that the BCA does nothing for the professionals is very disingenuous. It is the BCA that provides the funding for the GenerationPool.com event. It is the BCA that funds travel for professionals to world championships. It is the BCA who recognizes that the American players are not being properly informed about the current situation in international billiards and has taken steps to correct that situation. To our knowledge, the UPA has put no players on national television in order to promote them as we have and has funded no events in recent times. The BCA has promoted and televised the spring event for a number of years and has always gone into its own pocket to do so without ever realizing or expecting a profit.

How committed is the BCA to promoting the game and its players? The 2007/2008 BCA budget includes $160,000+ to cover the costs on the BCA 9-ball event next month in Charlotte (featuring six hours of programming on ESPN), $40,000 in WPA membership, travel grants and expenses and $50,000 in grant money to the Billiard Education Foundation to promote junior programs. That's more than $250,000 not counting the staff time that manages all of these projects. That's a commitment.

As you know, the BCA is comprised of many programs aimed at supporting vast areas of the pool industry. One of these areas is professional play and the players dedicated to making a living playing the game. We take our desire to help American pool players succeed very seriously. We have individuals that want to help, including our new CEO that comes from a sports marketing and public relations background. Let's use his and all of our expertise to grow for the future. We have no desire to do the process alone. Our efforts are dedicated to bringing this sport back to life in the U.S.



Sincerely,




Ivan Lee - President
Billiard Congress of America Board of Directors
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Thanks, Smorg. :D I'd throw you a few measly rep points if I didn't have to spread it around first.

I don't know if we'll ever have the pleasure of Mr. Alvarez's company again, especially since they have a NO FORUM policy:eek: , but just in case I've highlghted comments about which I would love to see a UPA response.

MM...hhmmmm beer, sounds like a good idea.:p
 
Thanks for the post. Very interesting.

But as I stated in the UPA-related threads, I don't have a dog in this hunt so I can say without taking any sides, that it is a sad state of affairs that there is such disunity within the men's pro pool industry.

At the end of the day though, it is the players themselves who have to shoulder the untimate blame because no governing body or pro tour operator can possibly exist without the participation of the players.

The fact that the players themselves are disunited is the prime cause of the industry being disunited.

It does not HAVE to be that way as the WPBA has been proving for a few decades.

But the men let KT get away with a million dollar+ air barrel and then gladly agree to play in his 2 player challenges for money (net of travel expenses) that shouldn't motivate them to travel past their own mail boxes!

What is up with THAT???

Then they pony up to the Arizona event with NO CLUE whether the promoter could pay off and when they got stiffed, the only public outcry I have heard came from JAY HELFERT...without whom I suspect the current money recovery action wouldn't exist!

Rather, their motto ought to be...YOU DON'T POST, WE DON'T PLAY...but the sad truth is that the men are so disunited and needy of money, that they probably HOPE that "the other guy" boycotts the events so that the guys who do show up have a better chance of winning...and if they don't get paid...oh well.


Bottom line...the ills of the male pro tour industry will NEVER....EVER...improve unless and until the PLAYERS bury all the hatchets and abandon their "lone wolf" mentalities and UNITE.

THEY should make the rules under which the tour operators must function...not the other way around!

The old saying is that the Golden Rule is that the guy with the gold makes the rules...but let me tell ya something.

If no one will sell anything to the guy who has the gold...what good is it?

And it would not take a large army to pull of the coup. There are about 50 players IN THE WHOLE WORLD who, if they UNITED...AND STUCK TO IT...could form a new association that would:

1. Require minimum prize money.
2. Issue their own Rule Sets for the games to be played.
3. Issue their own regulations as to the way their events will be managed and conducted.
4. Ban player participation in events not sanctioned by their organization.
5. Create an array of licensed merchandise.
6. Arrange for group health care coverage.
7. Do Team events (like the Mosconi..which is INTERESTING!)
8. Do Joint events with the WPBA and don't squabble with them as you HAVE done re: getting a higher share of the purse because you are stronger players. Hey...their TV ratings are just as high as yours!!!!

And about 50 other issues.

NONE of the above are my ideas guys....that is the way it is DONE by the people who know what they're doing.

YOU GUYS can tell the BCA, UPA, WPA, Viking,...or any other organization (with all due respect to them all) what to do and how to do it or BUTT OUT!

And some of them MIGHT butt out but what have you lost when you don't much in the first place???

The FACT that pool is one of the most played (if not THE most played) participant sport in the United States and yet the pro industry limps along like a wounded duck IS JUST GOOFEY!!!!

Either UNITE into an organization that has some teeth...and some STONES...or you deserve what you get which, for the vast majority of you ain't much!

And finally...you know who should run it?

JAY HELFERT (who, for the record, I have met personally only once for about 30 seconds) but whose reputation and pool industry skills are as obvious as they are legendary.

Sorry for the rant.....but I CARE.

Regards,
Jim
 
The contents of the letter is unsettling. If this is true, why is Shane Van Boening quoted as supporting the UPA as opposed to the BCA organization if he is losing points on the ranking system because he went to Fujairah.

JAM
 
Smorgass Bored said:
My wife just went to the grocery and got me a case of popcorn AND beer.
Doug
< munch, munch, munch, sip, munch, sip, munch, munch>

I hope to God it's lite beer again.
 
Neil said:
That sounds all well and good. But it isn't realistic IMHO. Most of the time now, added money is from someone who happens to like the game and wants it to go on. Now, how much do you think they will still support pool when they are told to ante up more, or go home? If they do go home, the pros have nothing.

I agree with M.Janis, and some others- have the league players pay $1 per week to go to the 'pro fund'. That way, no one person is hurt, and the league players might start showing some interest in the pros since they are helping to support them. There are what? About 250,000 league members? That's 1/4 mil a week. Get a 'real' tour going, and there is a very good start for it.

Well, it isn't unrealistic. Using the largest pro touring organization in the world as a model proves that. It is the PGA which was formed BY THE PLAYERS for the purpose...according to the PGA's web site...of:

... advocating that pros needed to band together to protect their interests.

Within months the leading players of the day, led by the legendary JH Taylor had galvanised enough support to form the London and Counties Golf Professionals' Association on September 9, 1901 (changed at the first AGM on December 2, to The Professional Golfers' Association) - the world's first ever golf association.


And the added money does NOT come from "someone who happens to like the game and wants it to go on."

It comes from room owners and tour promoters and vendors who happen to want to sell their products and services. Of course they like the game and want it to continue but not out of any chartible instinct but because they wish to make a profit...which is fine.

The only thing that is demonstrably unrealistic is the notion that there will ever be a prosperous pro pool tour without the STRONGLY UNITED participation of the players themselves who create controlling bodies that serve THEIR best interests.

It is beyond debate that A) there is no strongly united player organization and B) there is very little prosperity being shared by the players.

Regards,
Jim
 
Neil said:
Let's just say that I agree that they need to unite. But for them to go 'on strike' for more money, well, you think pool is dead now........

I didn't suggest that they "go on strike." I suggested they they forumlate a body of terms and conditions under which they would be willing to "sell" their "product" which is their competitive skills.

In a free market, if the "terms and conditions" are sufficient to result in a profitable outcome, then if "A" won't buy, "B" will.

Given the absence of a wisely concieved and clearly defined set of player mandates, the result MUST be chaos which is EXACTLY the state of affairs today.

My POINT is that the PLAYERS are the PRODUCT. No one....NO ONE...cares about some mysterious organization with some 3 letter acronym. So...XYZ Pool Tour dictating to the players is utter nonsense...UNLESS that organization was created by the players and whose management team serves at the will of the players.

Without that organization, the players are just so much meat for the grinder. Always has been true and always will be true as anyone with a modest understanding of free market economics knows full well.

Regards,
Jim
 
Neil said:
... I agree with M.Janis, and some others- have the league players pay $1 per week to go to the 'pro fund'. That way, no one person is hurt, and the league players might start showing some interest in the pros since they are helping to support them. There are what? About 250,000 league members? That's 1/4 mil a week. Get a 'real' tour going, and there is a very good start for it.
I've proposed something similar to the BCA but I doubt it will happen. That would be $250,000 (or whatever) per week that would not be going to the LO or League Headquarters or the league prize fund or the local room and it is an expenditure over which the leagues would have no direct control. My idea was actually a much more modest $1/player/year to fund administration and some development, but I doubt that will ever be adopted, either. The BCA can't force the leagues to do anything.
 
av84fun said:
... to form the London and Counties Golf Professionals' Association on September 9, 1901 (changed at the first AGM on December 2, to The Professional Golfers' Association) - the world's first ever golf association. ...
How many years after that did it take for golf to start financially supporting the top 100 players with prize money? IIRC, golf prize funds weren't much until after Palmer.
 
A new asso. is not what's needed. From everything I read on the forum it seems the women know how to handle their tours and payouts. Wouldn't it just be more simple to have the men pro's join up with the women pro's and just be PRO'S period. There is power in numbers.

As an aside - we have too many organizatiions as it is.

Also - the men's pro's are sorely lacking in the "ball" department. When you don't demand that the payout is protected, escrowed, etc. for a tournament you shouldn't expect to get paid. Just play and if they give you something look at it as a bonus.

Suppose anyone decided they are going to host a pro tournament and offered $100,000.00 to the winner and their was no proof of payment. What kind of player would pony up money with no way to collect. It's just plain stupid. As it stand right now, this is the way it is.
 
Bob Jewett said:
How many years after that did it take for golf to start financially supporting the top 100 players with prize money? IIRC, golf prize funds weren't much until after Palmer.

Isn't that part of the problem, the desire or the mind-set of "having it good right now" and not later.

If World Pool Tour ever get into gear, BCA has to answer for the American players. I think they are on the right track of taking back the control over UPA because in the end they are the ones who has to answer to WPA.

Some players think WPA is meddling with the US pool scene. I think WPA is actually more worried about the US not filling the alloted seats in World Championships which reflects bad on BCA with regards to their commitment to not only promote pool in the US but also to make WPA events worthy of being called World Championships by sending the top US players.

Just imagine Shane missing any of the World Championship because he lost almost 25% of his ranking points.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
How many years after that did it take for golf to start financially supporting the top 100 players with prize money? IIRC, golf prize funds weren't much until after Palmer.

What would be the state of affairs in pro golf if the PGA had never been formed?

A trip of a thousand miles......

Or are you suggesting that impotent player organization...or none at all is the correct structure?

Regards,
Jim
 
Bob Jewett said:
I've proposed something similar to the BCA but I doubt it will happen. That would be $250,000 (or whatever) per week that would not be going to the LO or League Headquarters or the league prize fund or the local room and it is an expenditure over which the leagues would have no direct control. My idea was actually a much more modest $1/player/year to fund administration and some development, but I doubt that will ever be adopted, either. The BCA can't force the leagues to do anything.

Unless I am mistaken and please correct me if I am...but I would guess that revenues derived one way or the other from amateur pool accounts for 80% of the BCA's total revenue.

Actually 90% wouldn't surprise me.

So pro pool is not their core business and hasn't been for many years AFAIK....which is my central theme.

Pro pool HAS no strong, centralized "governing body". The BCA doesn't "govern" anything...including, as you pointed out, the pool leagues operating under their "franchise."

NO DISRESPECT!

Nor does the UPA "govern" anything.

Nor do people pay a whole lot of attention to the WSRs or the BCA rules.

The industry is basically a free-for-all with the players, functioning as "sole proprietors" of their own businesses...doing what they want...when they want.

That is a paradigm for failure...which we are all watching unfold on a daily basis.

Regards,
Jim
 
av84fun said:
Unless I am mistaken and please correct me if I am...but I would guess that revenues derived one way or the other from amateur pool accounts for 80% of the BCA's total revenue.

Actually 90% wouldn't surprise me.

So pro pool is not their core business and hasn't been for many years AFAIK....which is my central theme.

Pro pool HAS no strong, centralized "governing body". The BCA doesn't "govern" anything...including, as you pointed out, the pool leagues operating under their "franchise."

NO DISRESPECT!

Nor does the UPA "govern" anything.

Nor do people pay a whole lot of attention to the WSRs or the BCA rules.

The industry is basically a free-for-all with the players, functioning as "sole proprietors" of their own businesses...doing what they want...when they want.

That is a paradigm for failure...which we are all watching unfold on a daily basis.

Regards,
Jim



Just so nobody gets confused: The BCA sold their amateur leagues some years ago to Mark Griffin who kept the name - BCA Pool Leagues, now known as the BCAPL. So the BCA does not generate any income from amateur play today. To my knowledge they make their income through member dues, the trade show, sale of the BCA Rule Book and other such ventures. They do not 'franchise' the leagues in any way.
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
Just so nobody gets confused: The BCA sold their amateur leagues some years ago to Mark Griffin who kept the name - BCA Pool Leagues, now known as the BCAPL. So the BCA does not generate any income from amateur play today. To my knowledge they make their income through member dues, the trade show, sale of the BCA Rule Book and other such ventures. They do not 'franchise' the leagues in any way.

It must be difficult for the BCA to rent that building in Colorado and pay all of its full-time staff a yearly salary, plus benefits, when the only income they generate is from rule books, trade shows, member dues, et cetera.

Maybe the BCA should be examined more closely as opposed to the UPA when it comes to who should take control of American professional pool.

As it is now, they subcontract everything out when it comes to professional pool, even the running of the tournament.

JAM
 
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av84fun said:
I didn't suggest that they "go on strike." I suggested they they forumlate a body of terms and conditions under which they would be willing to "sell" their "product" which is their competitive skills.

In a free market, if the "terms and conditions" are sufficient to result in a profitable outcome, then if "A" won't buy, "B" will.

Given the absence of a wisely concieved and clearly defined set of player mandates, the result MUST be chaos which is EXACTLY the state of affairs today.

My POINT is that the PLAYERS are the PRODUCT. No one....NO ONE...cares about some mysterious organization with some 3 letter acronym. So...XYZ Pool Tour dictating to the players is utter nonsense...UNLESS that organization was created by the players and whose management team serves at the will of the players.

Without that organization, the players are just so much meat for the grinder. Always has been true and always will be true as anyone with a modest understanding of free market economics knows full well.

Regards,
Jim

I have to agree with you Jim that the players must be viewed as the HOt comodity here and only until then will there be anything to sell to sponsors and so forth.

Within many business structures, almost every grooup at on point or another gets off program and is forced to say, "it is time to stop the madness and get back on the program". Pool on the other hand has never had a program or routine to revert to. What is there to lose?
 
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