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[Luxury]

Do you really believe this is about the cloth?

Lyn

I really don't know how much more often cloth has to be replaced with pheolic tip use. I don't believe it would be often enough to justify this ban. I could be wrong. I started this poll to better understand the decision and to help get it changed soon.

I shouldn't have made the poll just about guys switching leagues. I should brought up the players that won't go to the national events or won't come back after their break cue is banned and they have to find a house cue cuz they didn't know the rule.

 

[brhawk]

New Rules

I bet it won't be long before other leagues follow, and probably see a lot of tournaments require leather tips.

 

[pdcue]

I don't play in leagues but I'm not sure what the big deal is. If you can't use phenolic and no one else can either - how does it affect your game or the outcome?

I'm not a league type of guy, but if I did play in a league - it would be a BCA league. The other leagues seem to have retarded rules, imo. So what's worse? Not being able to use a phenolic tip or to play in a league with stupid rules? I'd break with my playing cue before playing in a league where slop counts, you have to mark a pocket, no ball in hand, etc.

Don't you have to own a pocket-chalker before the APA lets you in?

Neither Snooker nor One Pocket require a player to call shots.

You may need to do a bit more analysis.

Dale

 

[Milo]

I know that I'm going to get to keep using my bk2 at my weekly league where we use our own cue ball. I am not going to travel to vegas or any events where they are enforcing this rule. I'm a 9 and would be playing really tough matches and I want to play my best game. I won a check for most break n runs last session mainly due to my break.

I don't ever judge things on a basis of well the Bca always makes sound decisions so this must be good. I look at things like this: How much money are we spending on balls? How many guys that love their break cue won't pay entry fees? How much money will we lose there?

I know that some guys like me won't compete in vegas but I also know all the guys that show up not knowing the new rule will have a very bad experience and not come back.

I'm good at pool but great at sales and marketing. Am I missing something? Did the Bca feel they were having to replace cloth too? If so then I would understand but I don't think the tips really hurt the cloth that much.

I am a little confused. What are you a 9 in?? Tap, APA, or BCA ??
If you are a 9 in BCA then your rating has nothing to do with anything, when you participate in upper level tourneys. (Vegas or Lincoln City)
In Lincoln City, you would be allowed to play in the open division. (Your league operator will determine either open A or open B) Vegas, you will be able to play in the open division. Before you make a decision about your participation, maybe you should give it a try. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. :smile:
Remember, EVERYONE is in the same boat.
My point is, you will not be in the masters division. (which, of course, is a tougher division) So the disadvantage that you feel you will be under is not so much of one. I hope I communicated my point correctly.

I agree with Trigger. BCAPL is the best league in the country, Hands down.!!!!!!

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Neither Snooker nor One Pocket require a player to call shots.

You may need to do a bit more analysis.

Dale

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You're right.... I need to do a bit more analysis. siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhh

Excuse me while I learn to not poke my non-understanding nose into things.

 

[Luxury]

Hey, what ever you tattoo "your body" is your decision. You can tattoo "Dumb Ass" for all I care LOL. Don't be so sensitive

S.

Please read my post about the tattoo and know that I was 100% just trying to make a witty joke and wasn't feeling sensitive at all. I if some corrects my grammar or spelling or anything trivial like that I can't possibly feel offended cuz that's just nothing. I hope you don't really think I got the tattoo. My only tattoo is a John Lennon tattoo with the cover of "Imagine" sketch of his face. "give peace a chance" "all you need is love".

 

[cardiac kid]

I really don't know how much more often cloth has to be replaced with pheolic tip use. I don't believe it would be often enough to justify this ban. I could be wrong.

Luxury,

The ban on phenolic break cue tips was instituted because the BCAPL believes they damage cue balls. Specifically Aramith cue balls used on Diamond tables. The owners of the BCAPL also distribute Diamond Billiard Products on the West side of the Rocky Mountains. They deliver complete Diamond pool tables with Aramith billiard ball sets and Simonis billiard cloth. They have a vested interest in cue ball damage.

Lyn

 

[Luxury]

Luxury,

The ban on phenolic break cue tips was instituted because the BCAPL believes they damage cue balls. Specifically Aramith cue balls used on Diamond tables. The owners of the BCAPL also distribute Diamond Billiard Products on the West side of the Rocky Mountains. They deliver complete Diamond pool tables with Aramith billiard ball sets and Simonis billiard cloth. They have a vested interest in cue ball damage.

Lyn

I'm sure they have a vested interest in how many phenolic tip breakers choose not to participate as well.

 

[Luxury]

Thanks. I assumed I would have to play against other 9s in BCA that get to keep breaking with their same old leather break cue where I would have to buy another cue and not be used to it which would be a big advantage for them.

I will probably still wait a year or two at least for the ban to lift. I really hate playing without my equipment. The break is so important and I always want to play my best game. For instance, even if there is some east money to win in a bar but I would have to use a house cue I choose not to play ever with a house cue.

Trust me Luxury, I know what I am talking about. (I am on the ratings committe for Western BCA, and I have seen you play. You would be allowed to play in the open in Lincoln City)
Please think about it before you make your decision.

I am a little confused. What are you a 9 in?? Tap, APA, or BCA ??
If you are a 9 in BCA then your rating has nothing to do with anything, when you participate in upper level tourneys. (Vegas or Lincoln City)
In Lincoln City, you would be allowed to play in the open division. (Your league operator will determine either open A or open B) Vegas, you will be able to play in the open division. Before you make a decision about your participation, maybe you should give it a try. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. :smile:
Remember, EVERYONE is in the same boat.
My point is, you will not be in the masters division. (which, of course, is a tougher division) So the disadvantage that you feel you will be under is not so much of one. I hope I communicated my point correctly.

I agree with Trigger. BCAPL is the best league in the country, Hands down.!!!!!!

 

[pdcue]

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You're right.... I need to do a bit more analysis. siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhh

Excuse me while I learn to not poke my non-understanding nose into things.

Glad I could help, Grasshopper.

 

[derekdisco]

Neither Snooker nor One Pocket require a player to call shots.

You may need to do a bit more analysis.

Dale

I think he said mark a pocket, not call.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Glad I could help, Grasshopper.

You forgot to mention 9ball - there's slop in that too, right? What about cut-throat?

I deleted my post because your reply made no sense and didn't have anything to do with the thread or the post you quoted me on...grasshopper

 

[Milo]

Thanks. I assumed I would have to play against other 9s in BCA that get to keep breaking with their same old leather break cue where I would have to buy another cue and not be used to it which would be a big advantage for them.

I will probably still wait a year or two at least for the ban to lift. I really hate playing without my equipment. The break is so important and I always want to play my best game. For instance, even if there is some east money to win in a bar but I would have to use a house cue I choose not to play ever with a house cue.

Not to take any credit away from you,but being a BCA 9 in your local area doesnt neccessarily mean you are a "9" regionally. Western BCA is not a handicapped system. In the mens, there are 3 divisions. Masters, Open A,and Open B. You race to the same number of games. (example: Master Men race to 7 in 8 ball and race to 9 in 9ball, Open A race to 6 in 8 ball and 8 in 9 ball, Open B race to 5 in 8ball and race to 7 in 9ball)

I think all leagues have their place, and they all have their good and bad points.
If you want to compete at a very high skill level, then BCA is the league you want. Trust me Luxury. You will be very surprised. There are some killer players that play BCAPL. Just ask Mr Atwell and Mr Louie.
It will definately challenge your game.:smile:

Note: You wont have to play Glenn and Dan til you finish in the top 4% of the open field. (Whew )

 

[Milo]

You forgot to mention 9ball - there's slop in that too, right? What about cut-throat?

I deleted my post because your reply made no sense and didn't have anything to do with the thread or the post you quoted me on...grasshopper

Dave, Are you still here!!!!! (Just saying, and just teasing)

 

[Mark Griffin]

This is addressed to Luxury more than anyone else. I apologize now for the rant that follows.

Please try to get your facts straight. The BCAPL (not the BCA) stated this only applies to the National event and Regional tournaments promoted (directed) by the BCAPL.

It does NOT say that Wetsern BCA will adopt this policy.

It is NOT about the cost of cue balls. It is about damaging equipment. It has NOTHING to do about wearing out the cloth. No-one should have to replace any balls because a cue tip damages them.

If I am not mistaken, APA does NOT ALLOW jump cues. So what are you gonna do now. I assume you won't be playing APA either.

We do a LOT for pool - and it pisses me off when someone (such as yourself) tries to 'threaten' us by bringing up the 'imaginary amount of money we might lose' for making the right decision..

Why not get out and support some of the things CSI (parent of BCAPL) does - like the National Championship Series. Or maybe applaud the extensive rule re-write we did a year ago (which took and year and a fair amount of time or money) or how about the CTS (on line, real time brackets) which will allow tracking of players by people at home. (which also took 2 years and over $100,000.

No, you would rather ***** and complain (in a public forum - with the intent of 'forcing' us to change our position) then send an intelligent letter to our office. It just gets old.

Oh-and by the way, I am really sorry you will NEVER use a house cue. I always thought the great cue makers were trying to emulate the 'hit' of a good one-piece cue. But I am sure you know more about that than me.

Sometimes the squeeky wheel does not get the grease. Sometimes the wheel needs changing.

Oh, by the way, please tell SVB he NEEDS a phenolic tip to be able to compete with the 'big boys'. About half of your logic is all in your head. If you feel the game is all about breaking, then you have convinced yourself you have an advantage. That is what confidence is all about.

See how far a phenolic tip gets you in 14.1 or one-pocket. In fact playing 10 ball on a 9' probably nullifies most of the perceived gain of phenolic. I agree with previous posters (here and in other threads) - it is about technique. Many top players do not use phenolic.

I will get off my soapbox now. I feel better. Maybe my skin is a little thin these days. But it should not be necessary to put up with all these misguided posts.

Almost like boycotting a particular car because the tires are too big for the Indy 500. Never mind that you will never be in the Indy 500. AND if you ever were in the INDY 500, you would only have to change your tires. Oh-and everything else about the car is much better than the other brands available. You need to learn how to adapt. Or not.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI-BCAPL-USAPL-NCS

 

[jmizzo]

BCA paid off???

From what I have heard, they consulted aramith and simonis, and took their opinions/information into great consideration when enacting this rule. Aramith has a vested interest in not saying that are balls chip all the time, without ever being touched by a phenolic tip, its better to blame it on that. Was any phenolic makers or cuemakers consulted with? Did they go up to Predator and give them a chance to prove that its not the phenolic tips on their BK2?

I am not saying this is what happened, but it kind of makes sense. Aramith would never give the opinion "our balls chip sometimes from regular use," so its easier for them to claim its the tip, it has to be the tip.

I would assume that break speeds have done nothing but increase of the years, and that could have led to some of these issues. So I propose a rule, No breaking over 15 miles an hour. This would eliminate that problem.

 

[BVal]

I don't see what the big deal is. Break with a leather tip.

BVal

 

[Mowem down]

have you lost your mind.........

I got tears rolling down my face, I dont come around much anymore, but am glad I did tonight........you are killing me. you must be pissed, ive never scene you make typing mistakes their going to start thinking your me again..

First off the rule shouldnt apply to you, you break like a GIRL..., Jasmin. Second, its not the rule, its your love for that peace of crap bk2 thats got your thinking fogged over. My new Jack Madden (custom ordered, designed by ME) Jack hammer break cue will be hear soon, If your lucky I'll let you try it....And third, well there is no third but if your phone still wont get my pic. mails fix that would ya, your missing somr funny sh*t...

P.S. Its the friction caused buy the speed of the break is what burns the cloth, thats why at my house we use a break pad. I think a leather tip burns the cloth worse than a phenolic, it puts more spin on the ball at impact. They both will make the ball hop down the table and make dents so thats a wash. As far as cost do to damage, thats crap. I break way harder than most, have been pounding the same cue ball for years, yea its damaged, from the wall, floor, slamming into the back of the botom left pocket at 28,29 maybe 30 mph, and yea maybe my tip. And ya know what it rolls as straight as a string. They could replace the cueballs every year it wouldnt hurt them a bit (monateraly)and it would be over kill....

P.P.S.S. Pj pockets has a 200 added tourney on tues now I was told, 30 players the first night. Yea I know you have almost no chance of winning but you always smell nice trying .....Oh yea did I mention the 500 break pot and, YOU CAN USE YOUR bk2 BREAK CUE.....

edit...holly crap you pissd him off....

 

[Pushout]

Wha....huh??

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

I don't get it either. From everything I've read the BCAPL is far and away the best league for a player. And as SpiderWeb stated, the rule applies to everyone so if you have a better break with, then you probably have a similar advantage without.

This may not be the case but honestly, for someone to say they would leave the league over not being able to use a phenolic tip break cue to snap the rack kind of sounds like the mentality of a banger, not a player.

If it's about the money, I would just grab a house cue off the rack so the change costs me nothing. In fact it would actually put money in my pocket because I can then sell my turbo-tipped break cue to someone switching leagues.