Before & after of a home style Delmo 9ft.
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That man working with me is Zach Jonas, from the Phoenix, AZ area. He's been working as a table mechanic for the last 7 years, is 25 years old and has been bugging me for the last couple of years to train under me....soooo...I told him that if he came up to Vegas before I left out on the road again he could travel with me for the next 4 to 6 weeks and work under my supervision...without pay, but I'd pay for all his food, laundry, hotels if we stay in some, and that he'd be working any where from 8 to 16 hours a day everyday...and that I was a grumpy old fart to work for because I demand paying attention to what I'm teaching...which means he can ask all the questions he wants while learning, but he has to forget everything he's ever learned in the past and learn to work on tables my way....and if he could agree to that then he could come along for a while.
He's in the pictures, so I guess you can see he agreedPhoenix, AZ needs a top table mechanic in that area because of all the Diamonds that have been shipped to that zone, as well as a top table mechanic for all those in that area to get real work done on their pool tables.
Zach is a real good kid, and a FAST learner...he's going to be a GREAT asset to Diamond because when his finished with me, he'll be the guy going to pick up the Diamonds for distribution to AZ, CO, NM as well as being a practicing top table mechanic for the AZ area
Glen
When are you taking applications for your next apprentice?
littlejimmy4892
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hey jon
post some pics that show both tables.
brady
post some pics that show both tables.
brady
Isn't this thread about the DELMO
I will here in a few days. My room is nothing special I have just been fortunate enough to research Glen and have alot of patience. Trust me, that is my worst quality also, but I knew in the end it would be worth it! :grin:
I will here in a few days. My room is nothing special I have just been fortunate enough to research Glen and have alot of patience. Trust me, that is my worst quality also, but I knew in the end it would be worth it! :grin:
REALKINGCOBRA turned me into Johnny Archer!
Trust me this is no disrespect to Archer he is amazing. Trust me I am know where near his caliber. Glen, I played for about 6 hours on the table after a 12 hour shift. The table looks so good everytime I shoot I am walking around picking things off the table wether thay are there or not!
Trust me this is no disrespect to Archer he is amazing. Trust me I am know where near his caliber. Glen, I played for about 6 hours on the table after a 12 hour shift. The table looks so good everytime I shoot I am walking around picking things off the table wether thay are there or not!
Be fair now, make sure you put some time in on the Diamond as well.... and make sure it's EQUAL time on both
Wait until you break in the Simonis 860HR cloth, you're really going to love it then...when them 4 1/2" corner pockets start spitting out bad shot balls
Just make sure that if you ever decide to sell that table, that you advertize it for sale as a "King Cobra" 9ft home style PROFESSIONAL playing pool table...with Pro Cut pockets...it just came with the wrong name plate that says "Delmo" on it
PS. And DON'T tell them to call King Cobra to move it and set it back up again, having to move it out of that dungen of yours....hmm...ummm...ahhhh....because...at that time...he'll be OUT of business:grin:
Posted photos of both table as requested check it out. Let me know what you think
How's that table playing?
How's that table playing?
Hey Glen,
Hope things are going good for you. Have a safe and happy holiday. Both tables are playing great, like you already know. Hey I am trying to decide if I am going to go play in the bar table championships in Reno. You know any pros that might want to crash here for a couple weeks work on their game and help me with mine? Call me or PM me if you do. Thanks a bunch.
Bump for those who didn't see hackery by Glen.
And I thought Superman was fictional. I've never seen such a combination of craftsmanship, humility, character, focus, creativity, bla bla bla bla. Hope Diamond rewards you down the road financially! I don't even know you and I'm sitting here with goosebumps.
Desiderata
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Where exactly do you travel to work on a table?
I was browsing the AZ forums and came across this thread and read it from start to finish (I "ooh"ed and "ahh"ed at the pics of the Delco table too, of course) and I am just in awe of your artistry and attention to detail. I play pool but have never given much thought to the table. Don't get me wrong, I want to play on good equipment and become fairly disgruntled when it isn't but I never thought about it as a craft. That table is gorgeous.
Do you ever come to Texas? I live in the Austin area and have an old Brunswick Gold Crown 9' table that plays okay but looks like hell. I would love to have it completely restored - Cobra style!!
Thank you,
Kim
I was browsing the AZ forums and came across this thread and read it from start to finish (I "ooh"ed and "ahh"ed at the pics of the Delco table too, of course) and I am just in awe of your artistry and attention to detail. I play pool but have never given much thought to the table. Don't get me wrong, I want to play on good equipment and become fairly disgruntled when it isn't but I never thought about it as a craft. That table is gorgeous.
Do you ever come to Texas? I live in the Austin area and have an old Brunswick Gold Crown 9' table that plays okay but looks like hell. I would love to have it completely restored - Cobra style!!
Thank you,
Kim
Thank all of you who've looked at this thread, as I do appreciate all the kind comments. I don't normally restore pool tables, or the rails, except every once in a while, it all depends on what I'm doing at the time, but mostly who I'm doing the work for. I'm a cranky old bastard that cares more about the person wanting me to do the work on their pool table, than I care about the money, so therefore I'm also very hard hire to do the work, as I have about 800 or so people waiting on me. I really do wish there were a lot more table mechanic's in this country that would take this line of work and give it the respect that it deserves, and turn it into a real profession, but, I don't think I'll live long enough to see that happen. I will say this though, my hats off to those that do care enough to want to do this kind of work to the best of their abilities, Mark Gregory, Bob De Turk, Gordon Graham, Zach, Donny, Jack, Jay...and a few others I've probably forgot to mention.
I also thank AZ for creating the media to bring this kind of awarness to the public. Changing this industry for the better, begins with the public....the customer. Showing the public what can be done to a pool table to make it better is the first step in educating the public in what could be, instead of just what is.
Believe it or not, it's the public's lack of knowing what's right and wrong about this line of work, that has lead to the hacks in this industry getting away with stealing the customers money by refering to themselves as "table mechaics'...instead of the real term, "cloth installers".
Table manufacturs have gotten away with building things that look like pool tables, only to steal the customers money down the road when they later find out all they bought was a piece of shit, that now they can't give it away, kind of like Golden West Billiards in Portland, OR. using slate screws to bolt down the rails on Katie's NEW pool table, because the slates on the table had the wrong bolt hole pattern, AND the anchor nuts in the rails were in the wrong place in the first place, so they wouldn't have lined up right anyway in order to use rail bolts to bolt the rails to the slates. Kind of really pisses me off that the words "American made" and "piece of shit" can be used in the same sentence, there's NO reason for doing this kind of business, other than the fact that table manufactures and "table mechanic's" have been getting away with it for years!
Had Delmo used Poplar or any other kind of hardwood to build the sub-rails with on this Delmo pool table, instead of Fir, the rails on this table would never have fallen apart the way they did, but...the table was "American Made" so that kind of really explains it all.
This is why I have so much respect for Diamond, they WON'T do this kind of work building ANY of their pool tables, not for any amout of money. And I will say, Diamond has gone through a learning curve over the last 25 years when it comes to building pool tables, building it's support and service of their product along the way as well.
I've been a consultant to Diamond since March of 2000, and at times, even though we've had our ups & downs with each other, I'd never consult for anyone else in this industry, as Diamond has listened to what I've had to say, even at times when they didn't want to, but that's what it takes to become the company they are today, the best there is in this industry.
What I also like about Diamond, is the fact that no matter what the issues may be, they can and will be worked out, all it takes is talking with Diamond, and believe me, if they do, or did something wrong, they WILL take blame and correct the problem any way they can, and it won't be about the money believe me on that.
As far as customers being upset that Diamond changed the play of their rails, and they don't have that change on their rails, that's not Diamond's fault, the change took place because I pushed and pushed Diamond to make the change, knowing that there would be a lot of table owners that wouldn't be happy about it, but...it was for the best reasons there is...to make the Diamond tables even better as to how they play, to be the best playing table in the world. So, if any one has any complaints about Diamond changing their rails, you can take it up with me, as the new design on the Diamond rails is my design, and my change...so, deal with me directly...because the change is here to stay!
Glen
I also thank AZ for creating the media to bring this kind of awarness to the public. Changing this industry for the better, begins with the public....the customer. Showing the public what can be done to a pool table to make it better is the first step in educating the public in what could be, instead of just what is.
Believe it or not, it's the public's lack of knowing what's right and wrong about this line of work, that has lead to the hacks in this industry getting away with stealing the customers money by refering to themselves as "table mechaics'...instead of the real term, "cloth installers".
Table manufacturs have gotten away with building things that look like pool tables, only to steal the customers money down the road when they later find out all they bought was a piece of shit, that now they can't give it away, kind of like Golden West Billiards in Portland, OR. using slate screws to bolt down the rails on Katie's NEW pool table, because the slates on the table had the wrong bolt hole pattern, AND the anchor nuts in the rails were in the wrong place in the first place, so they wouldn't have lined up right anyway in order to use rail bolts to bolt the rails to the slates. Kind of really pisses me off that the words "American made" and "piece of shit" can be used in the same sentence, there's NO reason for doing this kind of business, other than the fact that table manufactures and "table mechanic's" have been getting away with it for years!
Had Delmo used Poplar or any other kind of hardwood to build the sub-rails with on this Delmo pool table, instead of Fir, the rails on this table would never have fallen apart the way they did, but...the table was "American Made" so that kind of really explains it all.
This is why I have so much respect for Diamond, they WON'T do this kind of work building ANY of their pool tables, not for any amout of money. And I will say, Diamond has gone through a learning curve over the last 25 years when it comes to building pool tables, building it's support and service of their product along the way as well.
I've been a consultant to Diamond since March of 2000, and at times, even though we've had our ups & downs with each other, I'd never consult for anyone else in this industry, as Diamond has listened to what I've had to say, even at times when they didn't want to, but that's what it takes to become the company they are today, the best there is in this industry.
What I also like about Diamond, is the fact that no matter what the issues may be, they can and will be worked out, all it takes is talking with Diamond, and believe me, if they do, or did something wrong, they WILL take blame and correct the problem any way they can, and it won't be about the money believe me on that.
As far as customers being upset that Diamond changed the play of their rails, and they don't have that change on their rails, that's not Diamond's fault, the change took place because I pushed and pushed Diamond to make the change, knowing that there would be a lot of table owners that wouldn't be happy about it, but...it was for the best reasons there is...to make the Diamond tables even better as to how they play, to be the best playing table in the world. So, if any one has any complaints about Diamond changing their rails, you can take it up with me, as the new design on the Diamond rails is my design, and my change...so, deal with me directly...because the change is here to stay!
Glen
You can't buy a car in 2010 and expect the new version in 2011 for free, can you?
Why would anyone think this could happen with a pool table?
Glenn you do great work and are obviously passionate about it.
I don't know Greg but I do know Mark and He is one person that I would not hesitate to do business with.
Why would anyone think this could happen with a pool table?
Glenn you do great work and are obviously passionate about it.
I don't know Greg but I do know Mark and He is one person that I would not hesitate to do business with.