Bert Schrager cuemaker or crook. Whats your opinion?

jimmycue said:
Words so true
Thanks Skins
Also should a mans word be forgotten just because he is OLD?
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Mike Webb's post most wisely didn't specify Burt's health problems because it is not Mike's place to do so, but the post nevetheless suggest they are serious. Can not some allowance be made not so much for his age, but for his health issues. What if those health issues are severe enough that it impairs his physical abilities and that they have eaten up all his financial resources? What is he to do? Or what if he has Alzeimer's (sp?)? Old in and of itself is not sufficient reason to let him off the hook, but maybe there is good reason why he has no choice and can't keep his word.
Maybe, just maybe, a little slack is appropriate in Burt's case.
Cats. <== Not exactly a spring chicken anymore myself.
 
jimmycue said:
I want to thank all the az members that had input on my problem with Mr B.S. cuemaker. Whether you agreed or not it is nice to have a place to vent and hear responses about my concerns with Mr B.S. and his business practices.
Jimmy K
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I hope Mr. Schrager winds down with grace. It would be sad to see someone 's sterling reputation tainted because he no longer has the faculties to continue.
 
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catscradle said:
Mike Webb's post most wisely didn't specify Burt's health problems because it is not Mike's place to do so, but the post nevetheless suggest they are serious. Can not some allowance be made not so much for his age, but for his health issues. What if those health issues are severe enough that it impairs his physical abilities and that they have eaten up all his financial resources? What is he to do? Or what if he has Alzeimer's (sp?)? Old in and of itself is not sufficient reason to let him off the hook, but maybe there is good reason why he has no choice and can't keep his word.
Maybe, just maybe, a little slack is appropriate in Burt's case.
Cats. <== Not exactly a spring chicken anymore myself.
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excuses that's all they are. if you own a company and you conduct business this way you're out of business very shortly. you said "some allowance"? think about it. 6 YEARS! he could, in that length of time, made it a point to keep in touch with "Jimmycue" in some way to let him know he wasn't being forgotten. that in itself might have been enough for him. imo it's the responsibility of the person getting the initial benefit that should be on top of things not the other way around. one of the problems i've found with some people is that if you give them something they need for that moment in return for something you'ld receive later you get this scenario: if you say nothing that's most likely what you'll get. if you say anything they'll take it as badgering, they'll avoid you and you'll get the same result. sometimes your dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. if bert's ill i'll pray for him but that imo does not excuse the issue after that length of time.
 
jimmycue said:
Back in 2000 i was thinking about building poolcues and bought a bunch of wood and cue building items. Around that time i was also looking to get on Bert Schrager's list to build a cue. He knew i was starting out in building them and i had alot of shaft wood. So i sent him some shaft wood in trade for him making me a basic cue. After keeping in touch now and then over the last 6 years i find out from Bert that he sold his shop and no longer can he make me a cue. Does anybody know if this is correct? Did he sell his shop? At this point it wouldnt matter if he did cause he told me i will get nothing in trade for the wood i sent him. But i could look at it this way, i guess i got the shaft in the end didnt i ? I have heard that he has done this to other people thru the years. Has anybody on this list got the same treatment from Bert Schrager again i ask cuemaker or crook? PM me about your opinion if you dont want to respond on the forum.
Thanks
Just had to vent somewhere.
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Seems to me unless the wood was a gift or in trade for something else (cue making lessons) he still owes you for what you sent him, what's his take on this? If not a cue then some cash would be my guess.

Jim
 
bruin70 said:
second, there are a ton of irresponsible cuemakers who live on a different clock than everyone else. something like one month = a cuemaker's day. if he tells you 5 days, expect a 5 month wait.

third, i could tell you personnal stories about two of THE most respected cuemakers in the biz that would leave anyone shaking their head.

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Why should we accept this behavior???
Why do we???
Why wouldn't you share the story?
I think that sharing and naming names is the only way we can stop this from happening.
I also know the answer as to why you won't share.

Jim
 
I've known Bert for decades. I chose not to comment too extensively on his cue making prowess. In a nutshell I like the way his cues play, but the workmanship is about C level. I actually played with a cue he made me in the 80's. I loved that cue. Unfortunately, my car got stolen with the cue in it. The car was recovered but not the cue.

Shortly afterward, I visited Burt and told him about my misfortune. I only wanted to request that he make me another cue. By the way, this was not a freebie. I pay cash. Before I could finish my story, he lambasted me on how all poolplayers were irresponsible and didn't care about his cues. He told me about making cues for Ronnie and Keith and they sold them. Somehow, he lumped me in this category. Nice doing business with you Bert.

One other thing I will mention. Bert had a handshake like being put in a vice. He was incredibly strong, at least his grip was. Anyone that ever shook hands with him will remember it. He seemed to enjoy putting you in excruciating pain for a few seconds before releasing your hand. What that was all about I don't know. Remember he was dealing with poolplayers with sensitve hands.

No poolplayer wants to have his hand crushed. And Bert seemed to delight in making everyone who visited him wince. I didn't like that little hello of his and told him so. He just smiled. I have a strong grip too, but nothing like Berts. Those are my memories of Bert Schrager. Decent cuemaker, so so human being.
 
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jimmycue said:
Back in 2000 i was thinking about building poolcues and bought a bunch of wood and cue building items. Around that time i was also looking to get on Bert Schrager's list to build a cue. He knew i was starting out in building them and i had alot of shaft wood. So i sent him some shaft wood in trade for him making me a basic cue. After keeping in touch now and then over the last 6 years i find out from Bert that he sold his shop and no longer can he make me a cue. Does anybody know if this is correct? Did he sell his shop? At this point it wouldnt matter if he did cause he told me i will get nothing in trade for the wood i sent him. But i could look at it this way, i guess i got the shaft in the end didnt i ? I have heard that he has done this to other people thru the years. Has anybody on this list got the same treatment from Bert Schrager again i ask cuemaker or crook? PM me about your opinion if you dont want to respond on the forum.
Thanks
Just had to vent somewhere.
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Again i want to thank all the az members that had input on my problem with Mr B.S. cuemaker. Whether you agreed or not it is nice to have a place to vent and hear responses about my concerns with Mr B.S. and his business practices.
Jimmy K
 
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Burt Schreger has helped more of the Famous, and Infamous Cuemaker perfect their Art. Burt is now in his 80's and is not the Burt I first met in the Early 70's in his shop in Studio City CA. On Ventura BLVD, behind the Fix-It Shop on the "N" Side of the Street....
 
JimBo said:
Why should we accept this behavior???
Why do we???
Why wouldn't you share the story?
I think that sharing and naming names is the only way we can stop this from happening.
I also know the answer as to why you won't share.

Jim
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You're not sharing either:rolleyes:
 
Bert has had health and financial problems for some time. I would say count your losses and move on. He is not likely to recover to the point of paying you for the shaft wood in his present state. "Cuemaker or crook" was your original question. He is a Hall of Fame cuemaker! He has fell on hard times and not paid every bill he owes. That does not make him a crook. He is the last living grandfather of west coast cuemakers. Many cuemakers got training from Bert. Let's give him a break.
 
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bruin70 said:
well, first off, as already stated, bert is OLD as in O-L-D.

second, there are a ton of irresponsible cuemakers who live on a different clock than everyone else. something like one month = a cuemaker's day. if he tells you 5 days, expect a 5 month wait.

third, i could tell you personnal stories about two of THE most respected cuemakers in the biz that would leave anyone shaking their head.

....and did you hear the one about tim padget being taken to "people's court "where he was virtually laughed out of court because of his tardiness.
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Maybe you should get all the facts before you state your opinion. He wasn't tardy, the people sueing them lied through their teeth. I really hate idiots who speak up and do not know the truth. Maybe you should contact Tim and he will tell you the truth so you can actually have something to post that is true! IDIOT
 
wow a post brought back from the grave....3 years old....this just goes to show you if you say something bad about someone it is never forgotten but say something good..... gone in a day....
 
socalqman said:
Maybe you should get all the facts before you state your opinion. He wasn't tardy, the people sueing them lied through their teeth. I really hate idiots who speak up and do not know the truth. Maybe you should contact Tim and he will tell you the truth so you can actually have something to post that is true! IDIOT
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Bruin 70 hasn't posted here in 2 years. He used to play out here in L.A. probably knows you. Digging up old stuff like this doesn't help, Tim , just throws more dirt because I'm sure that comment was long forgotten.

Nobody here gives a damn about People's Court unless they are trying to get a cue from Eddie Wheat. Why were you on People's Court, anyway? That might be a good story to tell.

Chris
 
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I was totally confused... I read most of the thread before I realized it was 3 years old. I guess the guy that used this as his "sixth" post since 2005 failed to see the dates too, or didn't realize how much no one cares... wow
 
ugotactionTX said:
I was totally confused... I read most of the thread before I realized it was 3 years old. I guess the guy that used this as his "sixth" post since 2005 failed to see the dates too, or didn't realize how much no one cares... wow
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He's Tim Padgett. Probably did a search of his own name and saw the comment and didn't like it.

It took a lot of guts for a cue maker to do search of his own name. Not exactly for the sensitive types. :wink:


Chris
 
jimmycue said:
Back in 2000 i was thinking about building poolcues and bought a bunch of wood and cue building items. Around that time i was also looking to get on Bert Schrager's list to build a cue. He knew i was starting out in building them and i had alot of shaft wood. So i sent him some shaft wood in trade for him making me a basic cue. After keeping in touch now and then over the last 6 years i find out from Bert that he sold his shop and no longer can he make me a cue. Does anybody know if this is correct? Did he sell his shop? At this point it wouldnt matter if he did cause he told me i will get nothing in trade for the wood i sent him. But i could look at it this way, i guess i got the shaft in the end didnt i ? I have heard that he has done this to other people thru the years. Has anybody on this list got the same treatment from Bert Schrager again i ask cuemaker or crook? PM me about your opinion if you dont want to respond on the forum.
Thanks
Just had to vent somewhere.
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I understand how you feel, but sometimes you have to settle for a little piece of mind in knowing that you may have helped some one in their hour of need and just write your sacrifice off as an act of good will.

I currently have a few thousand dollars in the hands of people who are very well known in the billiards industry. I doubt I will ever see the items I paid for and I suppose that it should bother me more, however, all I can say is I hope that whatever the money was used for helped the individual. The people I am talking about are most likely like Bert, in that they have always lead honest lives but due to unforeseen circumstances in their lives (illness / old age) they have come to a point where they can no longer fulfill their promises. I am also certain that this hurts them far more than the loss of some money hurts me, so I can find some satisfaction in knowing that I helped them in a time in their life when they needed it.

Self satisfaction can be found in many ways, shapes and forms and when you do good for others in their time of need in thought and deed it will come back to you when you need it in the future.

JIMO
 
manwon said:
I understand how you feel, but sometimes you have to settle for a little piece of mind in knowing that you may have helped some one in their hour of need and just write your sacrifice off as an act of good will.

I currently have a few thousand dollars in the hands of people who are very well known in the billiards industry. I doubt I will ever see the items I paid for and I suppose that it should bother me more, however, all I can say is I hope that whatever the money was used for helped the individual. The people I am talking about are most likely like Bert, in that they have always lead honest lives but due to unforeseen circumstances in their lives (illness / old age) they have come to a point where they can no longer fulfill their promises. I am also certain that this hurts them far more than the loss of some money hurts me, so I can find some satisfaction in knowing that I helped them in a time in their life when they needed it.

Self satisfaction can be found in many ways, shapes and forms and when you do good for others in their time of need in thought and deed it will come back to you when you need it in the future.

JIMO
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that is a really nice think to say and do...you must be living life right..most people including myself couldnt say or do that..congrats to you and hopefully i can live me life alittle more like that...i new i should have donated at mcdonalds today...you sure put things into a prospective...
 
tattoo said:
that is a really nice think to say and do...you must be living life right..most people including myself couldnt say or do that..congrats to you and hopefully i can live me life alittle more like that...i new i should have donated at mcdonalds today...you sure put things into a prospective...
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What it all comes down to is some people have earned respect by their actions, and others certainly do not deserve the same treatment.

Thanks for the kind words
 
A must read This is a update to my post about Bert Schrager.

See new post in main forum.
 
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