Does anyone remember this quote I believe is about Wimpy. "He would walk into a pool room and watch the players. If a guy missed more than one ball in an hour, he knew he could beat him!"
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Best 14:1 Player Ever-John Schmidt or Willie Mosconi?
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After hearing Mr 714 Jayson Shaw broke the record as a lark trying for just a few days. It made me realize. Nobody plays straight pool. So it's more like a gimmick.
If no one can name a world 14.1 champion with more than 5 world championships under their belt, let alone 15 world titles, no one since Mosconi could ever fill his shoes! In a race to 2,000 no one could score more than a 1,000 points against him!
Here's a list of Mosconi's world championships. It shows 8 matches to 2000 or more points, and in 5 of those 8 the opponent scored more than 50% of Mosconi's total.
Willie Mosconi's World Championships
Since I don't have much else to do during the pandemic, I extracted Mosconi's World Championship winning performances from Charlie Ursitti's records. This starts from the first one he won in 1941. Note that in 1933 he lost by a single ball. From 1941 to 1956 there were some other championships...
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According to Cliff Thayer, who also had a high run of 449 balls, and lived in Willie's time frame, he told me back then they would play races to 2,000 points quite often, not in block play, no one could score more than a 1,000 points before Willie racked up 2,000 points.
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My brother's cousin's sister-in-law's husband from her father's side, whom also lived in the time of Willie Nelson once told me that it never rained in Seattle. Therefore, based on the laws of the internet and the laws of transitive arguments, it must be true. Damn those history books.
You were told the truth, I've been in Seattle 100's of times, and it never rained on those days either.My brother's cousin's sister-in-law's husband from her father's side, whom also lived in the time of Willie Nelson once told me that it never rained in Seattle. Therefore, based on the laws of the internet and the laws of transitive arguments, it must be true. Damn those history books.
Nothing larky about that performance. He was paid to play, did awesomely over several days, left the pool hall after a lil hiccup/distraction on his last day that ended a run in the 3 or 4 hundreds maybe? Something high.
But he turned around and came back to play more and ended up going through the night, and around 8 in the morning he scratched on a break after 714 shots. It was b’dass
Mr Shaw had actually played 14.1 several times before starting that challenge. He’s one of the best pool players on earth. One of the straightest shooters to have ever lived and likely will still be top 10 even if pool goes on for another 500 years. All this skill on a generous table? It’s not like some random dude or even a shortstop picked up a cue and ran 714.
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What do you think Willie would have done if there was a paycheck involved for setting a record for the highest run ever? I mean, 526 just during an exhibition, for no extra money, for free
He would’ve run a whole bunch of 2 and 3 hundreds, a couple 4 hundreds, and if he kept at it for a while he’d run another 500+ and if he kept at it even more he’d have gotten to the 6-7 hundreds and if he kept at it yet longer he’d likely have gotten into the 900’s.
No one with a name of “willie” could ever get into the thousands though. That’s not a straight pool thing that’s more of a name thing. I get that it was a different time but...’willie’ ...no no that’s not the handle of a 1,000+ ball runner.
Had he gone by Bill or Wild Bill he’d likely have gotten to 1k that night in Ohio or wherever it was.
No one with a name of “willie” could ever get into the thousands though. That’s not a straight pool thing that’s more of a name thing. I get that it was a different time but...’willie’ ...no no that’s not the handle of a 1,000+ ball runner.
Had he gone by Bill or Wild Bill he’d likely have gotten to 1k that night in Ohio or wherever it was.
13 years later my high run in 14.1 is still less than it is in 1PI really lie John, he is a good friend who I firmly should make every attempt to break that record. He will be doing alot for himeself and pool as well. Its "THE" record. I hope he dedicates himself to breaking it, I believe he can do it. The cue might feel a little funny at 520 but he is mentally strong, tough as nails, I watched it again this week and thats what 14.1 takes(and this opinoion is comming from a player with a high run of 8, I can run more balls playing one hole, than 14.1)Seriously JS can do it for sure. the old record is too old anyways.
Somethings don’t change……
Got ya, so the name Willie should only be associated with 15 world championships, and not setting the high run record.
Not taking anything away from Shaw for running 714 balls, but playing against another player, shooting back at you, thats a whole different game. And Willie would have beaten him repeatedly, just like he did against every other top world class players. Willie was on a level all his own, and didn't share it with ANY other players!
Similar-My high run in 9 Ball (3 pack=27) is higher than in SP (22). The last time i played SP- We were going to 125 -I quit when he reached 100 or so. I had had at least 15 innings and my high run was 2!
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Mosconi is a 15 time world 14.1 champion. That should settle any debate.
I don't think it should. He played in a time when they played straight pool. Lots more opportunities to win world championships back then.
Yeah 15 out of 18,pretty strong.
I think only Caras and Crane won the other 3 maybe there was a third player.
I think it was Grady who insisted it wasn't even played many of those years-His championship was just 'carried over' until it was played again. No idea the veracity on that.