Best nine ball player ever top speed

Best ever?????

I think the best 9-ball players are living today.BUT they are standing
on the shoulders of giants.
To establish the value of money over different eras the rule of thumb
is - what did a loaf of bread cost? We need something like this at 9-ball.
It may remain eternally arguable.
I was asked by a teacher- If you could go back in history ,what battle
would you like to watch? My reply was - Hannibal sacking Rome.
If i was asked this question about pool it would be- Harold Worst play-
ing anything.2nd choice would be Walter Lindrum.
....Mingaud might be interresting....
 
Earl

Agreed!!!!!!

Earl has the highest gear of all time. But everything has to be just right,

Buddy and JA are more consitant, but that wasnt the question.

Earl Vs Seigal both playing 9 ball heads up with both playing in their highest gear, Mike would get chopped up. Mike is a better all around player.


I have asked this question myself to a few top pro's-Ralf agrees that Earl has the highest gear. We were sweating a match this past May and I asked him hi opinion.

Lassiter was so long ago and with slow cloth, big pockets, etc. that it makes it hard to compair
 
I think the best 9-ball players are living today.BUT they are standing
on the shoulders of giants.
To establish the value of money over different eras the rule of thumb
is - what did a loaf of bread cost? We need something like this at 9-ball.
It may remain eternally arguable.
I was asked by a teacher- If you could go back in history ,what battle
would you like to watch? My reply was - Hannibal sacking Rome.
If i was asked this question about pool it would be- Harold Worst play-
ing anything.2nd choice would be Walter Lindrum.
....Mingaud might be interresting....



if that aint the truth....that guy spanned the gap b/t pool and billiards an in a god like way. I would definately waste a time machine trip to see him play. Even if others could beat him in one game or even two....I don't see anyone beating the guy in a round robin all games match up that included 3cush....and for some reason i dont think he would have much trouble with snooker either.
 
Another trait that Yang possesses is that he is probably the best jump shot player out there. He pushes out to jump shots, and the opponent, knowing the percentages involved (for him at least), passes the shot back. Yang pulls out his jump cue, makes the ball, and runs out. It's pretty sick.
 
As the question says, pure top speed, not most consistent, not the guy who could hold himself together under the pressure, just pure fire power when they were completely in the zone.

It is Earl, this should not even be a debate for anyone who has seen his actual top speed when he felt perfect and had every gear working right. He played shots noone else even tried like they were hangers and split the heart while playing some absurd juice weaving between balls off multiple rails and coming out perfect as if he had the cueball on a string.

There are people who were more consistent, there were certainly players that had better mental games, there were players who were able to grind out wins in money matches with nerves of steel. NONE of them wanted anything to do with Earl if he was in dead stroke and feeling like a king, he was at those times the favorite against ANYONE.

When Earl felt "right" he won, it is just that simple. As said above, he was DRILLING Efren in the Color of Money match when he felt right. Efren as good as he was could not keep up with that fire power. It was only when that "top speed" that the original post asked about disappeared from Earl that Efren was able to take advantage of that drop in fire power and eak out the win.

Earl at his peak, not a certain year or range of years, but a certain moment when he has the right balance and feeling and his stroke is on made everything. I have never seen anyone stroke in long banks like him, almost EVERYONE even today plays safe on long banks that Earl would just stroke into the heart and run out from. Short banks into the side and the corner were bloody hangers for the guy. He had WAY more stroke then almost anyone and when he was power stroking a ball it did not hurt his accuracy in the slightest when he was on, he could do anything with the cueball and the object ball still split the heart of the pocket.

People might have a chance against Earl like that in a short race, but make the race long enough and if Earl is in and stays in that state? Noone beats him over the long run.

Any one of the players mentioned might beat Earl by getting him "OUT" of that state, but Parica against a dead stroking Earl? Parica was smarter then that, if Earl is in that state he is not even going to try and if he did, and Earl stayed in dead stroke and did not flake Parica would lose. So would Hall, so would Sigel (and he seriously did never miss when in dead stroke, but he played safe on alot of shots that Earl strokes in when both are in dead stroke, Sigel is giving up control of the table on a safe where Earl simply runs out).
 
Another trait that Yang possesses is that he is probably the best jump shot player out there. He pushes out to jump shots, and the opponent, knowing the percentages involved (for him at least), passes the shot back. Yang pulls out his jump cue, makes the ball, and runs out. It's pretty sick.


???? Earl does the same thing....except he uses his playing cue and puts the jump bank shot on you like he did effren in the COM match....that shot was the stone cold nutz
 
???? Earl does the same thing....except he uses his playing cue and puts the jump bank shot on you like he did effren in the COM match....that shot was the stone cold nutz

Earl was probably one of the best, if not the best full-cue jumpers, but his ability still pales in comparison to what Yang does with the short stick.
 
Earl was probably one of the best, if not the best full-cue jumpers, but his ability still pales in comparison to what Yang does with the short stick.

I agree cuetechasaurus, the Taiwanese players elevated (no pun intended) jumping to another level.

Fong Pang Chao is a dead heat w/ Yang on jumping ability. And Po Chen Kuo, another super-elite player, can jump as well as anybody.

Here is a video I posted some time back on Kuo making a jump-masse shot.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf4mOspghCI
 
Earl was probably one of the best, if not the best full-cue jumpers, but his ability still pales in comparison to what Yang does with the short stick.

none of them can jump like earl with a full cue...short jumpers are much easier than a full cue... give earl the short stick and see what happens....or better yet see how good Yang would stand up if he jumped with a full cue....wouldn't happen.
 
none of them can jump like earl with a full cue...short jumpers are much easier than a full cue... give earl the short stick and see what happens....or better yet see how good Yang would stand up if he jumped with a full cue....wouldn't happen.

I think you are missing my point. I acknowledge that it requires more skill to jump with a full cue, but that doesn't change the fact that Yang is much a better jumper than Earl.

And if you gave Earl the short stick, he would probably chuck it out the window. He hates jump cues.
 
It's not easy to describe someone's game but I'll try. First of all Yang is a competitor, showing a singular determination to win, especially in a money match. He seems to elevate his game when there is big money on the line. He's always cool, never flustered.

He is a consummate professional, much like Johnny or Nick, examining the shot from every angle and not rushing any shots. His execution is FLAWLESS when he finally shoots. Reminds me a little of how Sigel used to shake his head at a difficult shot and then hit it perfectly.

What sets Yang apart is his ability to shoot extremely difficult shots, where making the ball and playing position are both very, very hard to do. He consistently makes these shots and continues his run. NO ONE playing pool today can consistently pull off the shots that Yang makes on a regular basis. I would go so far as to say that most good players would not even attempt the same shot, opting instead for a safety. Yang can cut in a long shot, thread the needle with the cue ball, and play perfect speed to get on the next ball. All three things requiring perfect execution. It's amazing when you see him execute shots like this flawlessly, over and over.

This one thing alone puts Yang a cut above, and has to be demoralizing for his opponents when they see him making shots and getting out from spots that they know they couldn't. Bottom line, he runs out racks where there appears to be no way to run out. After you watch this type of shooting for an hour or two, you will also be a believer. I have. I have seen him make great players get weak, Dennis being one of the them.

Yang is the most dangerous player today IMO when it comes to running out a hard rack of 9-Ball or Ten Ball. Of course, he can also play a jam up safe if that is the best option. And he glides effortlessly through the more easy racks. After watching him put away rack after rack, no matter how hard, and not missing anything he shoots at, you walk away a believer like me.

This guy comes up with the most God awful good shots when he must. I've seen him totally stymied where there is no logical shot that won't sell out the game. He comes with a fantastic stiffed cross corner bank that only a top bank pool player could make, and now has to make another tough cross side bank to get in line for the nest ball. He makes these two banks and runs out the remaining balls. My mouth was agape. And there was a glum expression on the face of his opponent. That about sums it up.


Jay,
Another great post. Like you would ever write anything that wasn't!

If I could add one thing, I think I see two chinks in Yang's game. One is he seems to rattle when put on a shot clock. Thru the Guinness 9 Ball stops, he got in time trouble many times per match. He would have his allotted extensions used up by the 4th or 5th rack and then have to rush shots, which oftentimes led to an uncharateristic miss. He seemed to take an inordinate amount of time early in the rack while on a simple shot which leads me to think he's figuring way down the rack all the possibilities he may have to contend with. In other words, he sometimes out thinks himself early in the rack. IF you can even call that a "flaw".

The second weak area that I suspect is that he seems to lose to lesser opponants and steamrolls the elite ones. With all his talent, most thought that he was a lock for having at least one World 9 Ball Championship by now. But in that tournament, he gets bumped earlier than people expect.
I think he gets so geared up for the big guns that he sometimes forgets to just win the match he has at hand.

ALL the other players respect his game big time and he has earned the fear he puts in other players.

All in all, I personally believe Chao was the better player of the two, with his two World 9 Ball Championships.
 
Harold Worst

if that aint the truth....that guy spanned the gap b/t pool and billiards an in a god like way. I would definately waste a time machine trip to see him play. Even if others could beat him in one game or even two....I don't see anyone beating the guy in a round robin all games match up that included 3cush....and for some reason i dont think he would have much trouble with snooker either.

Cornbread Red played jam up 5x10 snooker.
Harold bar-b-qued him.6x12 snooker with it's slow cloth would
have given him trouble but if he committed and changed his cue
he would've been dangerous.Anything i've discovered about this man's
game has been positive.And a first rate gentleman as well.
 
I think you are missing my point. I acknowledge that it requires more skill to jump with a full cue, but that doesn't change the fact that Yang is much a better jumper than Earl.

And if you gave Earl the short stick, he would probably chuck it out the window. He hates jump cues.

I stand corrected...even if earl was the better jumper, you are completely right he would throw the short stick out the window lmao.

gotta love some earl, the man sticks to his convictions
Grey Ghost
 
I don't think u can even put Yang in the same class as Wu and Chao by virtue of their world titles

people have been praising Yang for years but owning Dennis Orcullo does not make him the best
 
best

If you had been around Shreveport in the 70'S and watched Buddy give everyone the 7 and take the cash and win so many tournments and then in the early 80's. What about at the Reds tourn. in the early 80's Buddy took all the money. Efren said he plays better than anyone he had ever seen. I watched Buddy beat them all, give St Louis Louie the 7 three times in Shreveport and win them all. Give Siegel the last two and win.
Buddy Hall was the best 9 ball player to ever live and he has proven it
on the juice and off the juice too.
I watched Earl in the early 80's in Houston and he still could not get the cash from Buddy. At certain times there have been a lot of great players that lasted a little while but Buddy out lasted them all over a longer period of time playing 9 ball. He has also been one of the best to talk to and learn something from. He would tell you anything you needed to know to help your game, and never mind doing it. He was an alround great guy.
Just my opion and I watched Buddy's and Earl's game first hand for several years
 
over the long Hall

If you had been around Shreveport in the 70'S and watched Buddy give everyone the 7 and take the cash and win so many tournments and then in the early 80's. What about at the Reds tourn. in the early 80's Buddy took all the money. Efren said he plays better than anyone he had ever seen. I watched Buddy beat them all, give St Louis Louie the 7 three times in Shreveport and win them all. Give Siegel the last two and win.
Buddy Hall was the best 9 ball player to ever live and he has proven it
on the juice and off the juice too.
I watched Earl in the early 80's in Houston and he still could not get the cash from Buddy. At certain times there have been a lot of great players that lasted a little while but Buddy out lasted them all over a longer period of time playing 9 ball. He has also been one of the best to talk to and learn something from. He would tell you anything you needed to know to help your game, and never mind doing it. He was an alround great guy.
Just my opion and I watched Buddy's and Earl's game first hand for several years
Buddy was my favorite 9-baller in the 70's.If he had Billy Johnson's break
the world would have needed another ball.
But the rules changed,Parica showed up and took kicking to another level.
Buddy still managed to give Efren his biggest loss on US soil.
However,the young players today are making 9-ball obsolete.
 
Jay said that Earl had the best top gear ever. Which is all I was asking. All I said was who played the best, all things considered.

I just said top speed.
 
I read before on these boards that McCready had one of the all time top gears. How did his top gear compare to those already mentioned in this thread?
 
I read before on these boards that McCready had one of the all time top gears. How did his top gear compare to those already mentioned in this thread?

Good question. No one made running a tough rack look easier than Keith did. He scared his opponents with the ease at which he made difficult shots and difficult run-outs. And when he was right, everything went in, EVERYTHING! He may have been the scariest opponent for the top players to draw in the 80's. They knew he feared no one and felt like he could beat anyone. Keith would make a side bet on any match regardless of his opponent; Sigel, Hall, Mizerak, whoever.

At his beat, he was a very tough opponent for Earl. He was for everyone else too. Keith could make a very good player look like an amateur! His weaknesses included; missing matches, being unprepared and not being in condition to play. Remember Earl would be in the practice room all day and go to his room after a match to rest. He would go through entire tournaments playing great in every match. Big difference!

And despite Keith's many talents, he couldn't string racks like Earl (no one could) and didn't have Earl's cue ball control. Keith's game was a little more wild and he was forced to shoot many more tough shots because of it. And he lost his cue ball (scratched) more often as well. Kind of Like Arnold Palmer against Jack Nicklaus. Once Earl got in line, he never strayed out of line. Keith could get out of line on a hanger. He would just pop in the bank and continue his run. But shooting hard shots will eventually take its toll on you. One or two misses (or scratches) in a match was all it took to get beat by another top player. I saw Keith lose matches where he made the most spectacular run-outs and did the majority of the shooting. He just slipped up once or twice (or three times) at critical junctures, like on the six, seven, eight or nine.
 
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