I don’t think one shot can tell me everything but the ability to execute a stun-through shot where the cueball needs to occupy the original space of the object ball tends to say a lot.
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Best Shot to Gauge Skill
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I think this short clip from a LIVE exhibition will give You an idea of my capabilities when it comes to Stroke.
Nice shot. Of course I wasn't just talking about YOUR stroke but those of unknown players.
I have to wonder what good it will do. You know how some people are. They will dog the shots just enough to keep their rating down. That's only if they know what you are up to.
If you host a competition add an incentive, such as one dollar for every successful shot, 5 attempts per player, you might be able to fool them into showing their true speed. Otherwise I feel you will have many underrated players.
If you host a competition add an incentive, such as one dollar for every successful shot, 5 attempts per player, you might be able to fool them into showing their true speed. Otherwise I feel you will have many underrated players.
Impressive, to say the least. But this is AZB forum. Things are judged differently here for credibility. Can you create a number of
2D drawings showing where the tip has to strike the CB, the specific angle of attack, the number of RPMs per second per second, and then show why in an algebraic-geometric formula? (you do have an engineering degree, don't you?)
Let me say it again...impressive knowledge and cue control with the stroke! Now, get to work.
If ANY TOP player had to think about ALL that CRAP before they shoot, we'd never make a shot! PERIOD!Impressive, to say the least. But this is AZB forum. Things are judged differently here for credibility. Can you create a number of
2D drawings showing where the tip has to strike the CB, the specific angle of attack, the number of RPMs per second per second, and then show why in an algebraic-geometric formula? (you do have an engineering degree, don't you?)
Let me say it again...impressive knowledge and cue control with the stroke! Now, get to work.
BTW, I do have an Architectual Design/Drafting background. I see ALL the angles!
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with 2 additions.... a table without buckets and don't drop the CB, but leave it intentionally in the jaws
That would make the shot somewhat easier, a little less speed.
Definitely...
They aren't TOP players but they are here and have been for years.
Full disclosure, this is a direct copy of a post from @BasementDweller
Of course this shot is impossible on relatively newly installed Simonis cloth, and as the inside will kill the speed of the cue ball coming off the rail, it’s unlikely to get the cue ball more than 2-3 feet back up the table..
Many players would have trouble with this shot, choosing to use either outside or center ball. Those players who are skilled enough to feel equally comfortable executing a shot with either center ball, inside or outside spin, when needed, have a huge advantage in their cue ball control and position play.
Even some pretty good players are not comfortable successfully executing a shot with inside spin. I would say setting up a spot shot with the cue ball on the headstring maybe 6 inches off the side rail and pocketing the shot with high inside, so the cue ball comes off the end rail back up the middle of the table without touching the side rail.
Of course this shot is impossible on relatively newly installed Simonis cloth, and as the inside will kill the speed of the cue ball coming off the rail, it’s unlikely to get the cue ball more than 2-3 feet back up the table..
Many players would have trouble with this shot, choosing to use either outside or center ball. Those players who are skilled enough to feel equally comfortable executing a shot with either center ball, inside or outside spin, when needed, have a huge advantage in their cue ball control and position play.
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I'm with stupid.
Flakeandrun
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Agree with you - And closer to the rail the better. On a Chinese-8 table for maximum kudos. You can tell most of what you need to know about a player by watching how they approach a few.
I watched Zhu Xi He, and Fu Jian Bo, both slamming in length of the table (and just off frozen) stop shots into the top corners of a Chinese-8 table. At warp speed. Stopping dead. 1/50 shot for me, 4/5 shot for them.
Pretty much the only warm-up I do before a game is a few nice, long stop shots into a top corner, progressing closer to the side rail (I also added one big follow, and one big draw to that, as It just feels good to just hit one sweet)
I'd like to see that video! Frozen to the cush and playing a 'Stop Shot.'
Flakeandrun
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Wasn't a video... It was in person...
Anyway, I don't think it needs to be totally frozen if we are using this to judge an average persons speed, that would reduce the percentage monumentally, just off the rail would be good enough to gauge a person speed (a ballwidth or so).
I watched them for about 20 minutes, they were betting/competing with each other. They started one ball width off the cushion, moving it in progressively until it was frozen. I also saw Zhu Xi He and Meng Hsia playing this as a bit of casual competition in between games at a tournament here.
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RT Ford
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Agreed. If you can't play shape, you can't play pool.
A 'Ball width' off the rail is miles from being Frozen and squatting the CB.
Flakeandrun
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It's not miles... It's a ball width
But still... "They started one ball width off the cushion, moving it in progressively closer until it was frozen"
Personally, I would say a ball width from the cushion, firm stop shot to a top corner on a Chinese-8 table, would be enough to gauge someones speed by eye.
I think if you froze it to the rail, banged it in first try at speed on a Chinese-8 table, stopping with relative precision. I would probably find someone else to play...