Best way to shoot this shot

iusedtoberich said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUGeAfUj0vc&feature=youtu.be

I had a chance to try this shot today. Attached is a quick video showing one example of each method.

In short, inside 3 rails gives all other methods the 5 out and the break:) This statement is based on trying each method many times.
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Great top action on that inside 3-railer. I put a new med hard tip on my cue the other day and feel like I'm not getting as much action. Probably due to thinking I'll miscue if I go with extreme spin. Anyway, nice video.
 
Prairie dog said:
Here is the way I shot the shot. The safety is the one I like the best if I had to win the game.

https://youtu.be/w_bQPNEJ8po
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Nice. But if you can consistently hit either one of those first two shots, then that's the right way to win the game. No sense in giving your opponent an opportunity to bank out or get a lucky leave. If you can't consistently hit either of those shots, then yes the safety is the right move.
 
BC21 said:
Nice. But if you can consistently hit either one of those first two shots, then that's the right way to win the game. No sense in giving your opponent an opportunity to bank out or get a lucky leave. If you can't consistently hit either of those shots, then yes the safety is the right move.
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If I had to win this game, I'd hit that safety. Don't think I could make those shots 10 of 10. My table has 4.5" pockets. Even if someone could bank it, they would not have shape either. Anyway, it's a great safety for anyone to learn.
 
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If I'm visualizing this shot correctly low inside will cause the object ball to hug the rail right into the pocket and then you just have to get the speed right to come 3 or 4 rails around for shape.

Have to be careful not to scratch in the other corner pocket. I use the plus 2 system to calculate that. In this case you should be okay contacting the short rail about a diamond from the opposite corner pocket.
 
I would be open to shooting that ball right in the face, with hi r), and banking the ob to the end rail out of the corner. It then ends up 3 or 4 rails, to other end rail.

It isn't that hard to leave the ob on the end rail and cb on the rail the initial ob was on (and in the pictured example, the next ball is up where current balance is... )

Of course, when you make the other guy shoot sometimes you get burned.
 
Nice shooting Praire.

I don’t know why you would shoot the safety though. Before I turned my camera on, I made the 3 railer 5 times in a row, starting from the first attempt cold. It’s cake.

Even two D players playing the 3 railer is the shot. If one plays the 4 rail safety successfully, the other will just slam the 2 remaining balls which are now dangerously close together and ride the cheese.
 
alstl said:
If I'm visualizing this shot correctly low inside will cause the object ball to hug the rail right into the pocket and then you just have to get the speed right to come 3 or 4 rails around for shape.

Have to be careful not to scratch in the other corner pocket. I use the plus 2 system to calculate that. In this case you should be okay contacting the short rail about a diamond from the opposite corner pocket.
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It needs top inside instead of low inside to avoid scratching in the corner. The top forces the cb to bend toward the end rail.
 
BC21 said:
It needs top inside instead of low inside to avoid scratching in the corner. The top forces the cb to bend toward the end rail.
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The running english is far more important than the high ball....
...aiming with 3 o’clock is better....’cause you get more side spin.
....or 9 o’clock depending which pocket




imo
 
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I hit my 3 railer middle inside. No high or low. There is zero scratch here. I don’t know if you could scratch if you tried!

Shooting it with inside also makes the ball much easier to pocket.
 
pt109 said:
The running english is far more important than the high ball....
...aiming with 3 o’clock is better....’cause you get more side spin.



imo
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That explains why iusedtoberich got more action on the cb, sending to about the center of the end rail instead the first diamond like when I shot it. I always use top inside for shits similar to this. In my head, the top is insurance in case the cb slightly hits the cushion before the ob, causing it to carom off the ob where it might not even go toward the rail. So I use the to make sure it bends toward the end if this happens. I should practice these shots with straight inside though....good action on the cb.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I hit my 3 railer middle inside. No high or low. There is zero scratch here. I don’t know if you could scratch if you tried!

Shooting it with inside also makes the ball much easier to pocket.
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With middle inside, I can not get shape at all. The CB runs straight across or scratches in the corner. I have to use high inside to hit the short rail.
How about the low outside shot. No one writes about that one. The neat thing about these shots is how the CB must hit the OB. With the 3 rail, the CB must hit the OB first or maybe both and with the draw shot the CB must hit the rail first. Only a 1/64 of an inch difference.

Oops, never mind. Practicing I did it. Hitting the middle diamond on the short rail with full middle inside. Great practice.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I hit my 3 railer middle inside. No high or low. There is zero scratch here. I don’t know if you could scratch if you tried!

Shooting it with inside also makes the ball much easier to pocket.
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I need to practice it with straight inside. The scratch is there if you accidentally go into the cushion slightly before striking the ob. It's a fine line between hitting it great, like you did, and either sending the cb straight into the corner pocket or across the table to the other long rail.
 
Prairie dog said:
With middle inside, I can not get shape at all. The CB runs straight across or scratches in the corner. I have to use high inside to hit the short rail. Maybe my "D" level here though.
How about the low outside shot. No one writes about that one. The neat thing about these shots is how the CB must hit the OB. With the 3 rail, the CB must hit the OB first or maybe both and with the draw shot the CB must hit the rail first. Only a 1/64 of an inch difference.
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Very fine line. All depends on the cb-ob-cushion action.
 
Prairie dog said:
With middle inside, I can not get shape at all. The CB runs straight across or scratches in the corner. I have to use high inside to hit the short rail.
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You're probably hitting rail first (see my explanation below).

How about the low outside shot. No one writes about that one.
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It's the second most popular shot in this thread.

...with the draw shot the CB must hit the rail first.
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Yes, when the CB hits the rail first, it caroms off the OB, more or less straight across table. That's when inside spin comes into play to bring the OB uptable.

And with outside spin you need to hit the OB slightly more full to accommodate throw. This is a good thing because it gives a slightly better angle into the rail for coming back uptable.

pj
chgo
 
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I just tried it again cold right from the gym, zero warm ups. I did not edit the video, shot 10 tries of each version, you can see my misses and miscues!:) I also tried to shoot fast so the video would not be too long.

Trial 1: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 2: 7/10 low outside z shot
Trial 3: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 4: 1 rail bank. Impossible even for Brumback I'd bet my house.
Trial 5: 3/3 4 rail safety executed perfectly each time. But IMO, its a poor shot for THIS situation because, it leaves the cheese if playing 9 ball, and if playing 8 ball like the original poster was, it makes no sense from a game strategy standpoint because it was the OP's final ball before the 8, and his opponent had many balls on the table.
Trial 6: 3/10 high inside.

I'm a crappy player, my straight pool high run is 38 balls. I'm certain a slightly better player than me would have a way higher percentage on the inside 3 railer. I actually surprised myself I hit the outside z shot better than the inside 3 railer. Yesterday when I shot this I hit the inside 3 railer much better (regarding pocketing the ball.).

Video if you want to see:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwX8gSI0CSw&feature=youtu.be
 
iusedtoberich said:
I just tried it again cold right from the gym, zero warm ups. I did not edit the video, shot 10 tries of each version, you can see my misses and miscues!:) I also tried to shoot fast so the video would not be too long.

Trial 1: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 2: 7/10 low outside z shot
Trial 3: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 4: 1 rail bank. Impossible even for Brumback I'd bet my house.
Trial 5: 3/3 4 rail safety executed perfectly each time. But IMO, its a poor shot for THIS situation because, it leaves the cheese if playing 9 ball, and if playing 8 ball like the original poster was, it makes no sense from a game strategy standpoint because it was the OP's final ball before the 8, and his opponent had many balls on the table.
Trial 6: 3/10 high inside.

I'm a crappy player, my straight pool high run is 38 balls. I'm certain a slightly better player than me would have a way higher percentage on the inside 3 railer. I actually surprised myself I hit the outside z shot better than the inside 3 railer. Yesterday when I shot this I hit the inside 3 railer much better (regarding pocketing the ball.).

Video if you want to see:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwX8gSI0CSw&feature=youtu.be
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Based on these results, your goto shot here should be the to use low outside. You nail it! Nice shooting.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I just tried it again cold right from the gym, zero warm ups. I did not edit the video, shot 10 tries of each version, you can see my misses and miscues!:) I also tried to shoot fast so the video would not be too long.

Trial 1: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 2: 7/10 low outside z shot
Trial 3: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 4: 1 rail bank. Impossible even for Brumback I'd bet my house.
Trial 5: 3/3 4 rail safety executed perfectly each time. But IMO, its a poor shot for THIS situation because, it leaves the cheese if playing 9 ball, and if playing 8 ball like the original poster was, it makes no sense from a game strategy standpoint because it was the OP's final ball before the 8, and his opponent had many balls on the table.
Trial 6: 3/10 high inside.

I'm a crappy player, my straight pool high run is 38 balls. I'm certain a slightly better player than me would have a way higher percentage on the inside 3 railer. I actually surprised myself I hit the outside z shot better than the inside 3 railer. Yesterday when I shot this I hit the inside 3 railer much better (regarding pocketing the ball.).

Video if you want to see:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwX8gSI0CSw&feature=youtu.be
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So how would you shoot it for the rent? Is 7/10 in practice good enough?

pj
chgo
 
iusedtoberich said:
I just tried it again cold right from the gym, zero warm ups. I did not edit the video, shot 10 tries of each version, you can see my misses and miscues!:) I also tried to shoot fast so the video would not be too long.

Trial 1: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 2: 7/10 low outside z shot
Trial 3: 5/10 middle inside 3 rails
Trial 4: 1 rail bank. Impossible even for Brumback I'd bet my house.
Trial 5: 3/3 4 rail safety executed perfectly each time. But IMO, its a poor shot for THIS situation because, it leaves the cheese if playing 9 ball, and if playing 8 ball like the original poster was, it makes no sense from a game strategy standpoint because it was the OP's final ball before the 8, and his opponent had many balls on the table.
Trial 6: 3/10 high inside.

I'm a crappy player, my straight pool high run is 38 balls. I'm certain a slightly better player than me would have a way higher percentage on the inside 3 railer. I actually surprised myself I hit the outside z shot better than the inside 3 railer. Yesterday when I shot this I hit the inside 3 railer much better (regarding pocketing the ball.).

Video if you want to see:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwX8gSI0CSw&feature=youtu.be
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Good shooting. I did a one rail bank but it requires lots of inside English. Possible, yes.
 
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