Better equipment, shafts, Tips, and Kamui Chalk, but the 526 RUN RECORDS Stands?

Neil said:
The only reason Willie has the record is because it is a BCA record, and he was their employee. Now, not taking anything away from Willie, because I believe he was the best ever at 14.1, but his record has been broken a number of times. They are well known, but they do not get the BCA recognition. Heck, Euphemia supposedly ran over 1,000 and there is a plaque in the room he did it in testifying to it!

By the way, Willies second highest run was actually more than the 526 of his record. But he didn't have the signed papers like the other guys didn't have, so the BCA didn't recognize it.
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I think this is a little too Oliver Stone. I think what really happened is that: this particular run was accomplished in public; there were supposedly three hundred in attendance; and an attorney in the group had the foresight to create an affidavit and collect signatures of people who were there and saw the whole run. This as opposed to one or two guys in a pool room, or private room, seeing a player run 600-700, or part of such a run.

Lou Figueroa
 
The Saw said:
There have been a couple of people on here over the years that said they seen or played on the table years later when it was in George Roods' poolroom and the pockets were normal size. What I am telling everyone is that a local guy that was a good player played on the same table the following day and without provocation he said the pockets were the biggest he had ever seen. I asked him "Loose like one of those Olhausens? (4-7/8" pockets)" and he said "no, those tables are real tight compared to that table". He said it was impossible to miss a makeable ball. This is a guy that Howard Vickery played in a weekly ring game with when Howard was in his prime and Howard never once got the money until Johnny was in his 50's. So its not like my info came from some hack.... His testimony matches up with the info that used to be on the Wiki page, 5-1/2" pockets.....
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An anonymous player saying something like that is far from credible "testimony." And, as we all know, a table can have 5" pockets and play like 5.5" pockets, due to a variety of factors. So unless there's a name and the guy with the name said he pulled out some calipers, it's just one other guy's opinion.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
An anonymous player saying something like that is far from credible "testimony." And, as we all know, a table can have 5" pockets and play like 5.5" pockets, due to a variety of factors. So unless there's a name and the guy with the name said he pulled out some calipers, it's just one other guy's opinion.

Lou Figueroa
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Yeah, and if it was someone you know that had said it it would be the gospel.... Do you ever stop spinning Lou?
 
dr9ball said:
Those that think 526 on an 8 footer is easy should go find an 8 footer and try to run 50. My guess is many that try this will be quite challenged.
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I don't know who said it would be "easy", but it wasn't me.
 
The Saw said:
Yeah, and if it was someone you know that had said it it would be the gospel.... Do you ever stop spinning Lou?
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Lou pulls the anonymous move all the time.

"I spoke to a pro at DCC (who will be unnamed) about CTE and he said it was bunk... so it's bunk."
 
Neil said:
Aaah, maybe just a little. But, the point still stands. Too many hold 526 as the "holy grail" in pool. That number has been broken a number of times, even by Willie himself. It's just that 526 is the "official" record. 526 is beatable, and has been beaten.
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No doubt.

Lou Figueroa
 
Neil said:
Aaah, maybe just a little. But, the point still stands. Too many hold 526 as the "holy grail" in pool. That number has been broken a number of times, even by Willie himself. It's just that 526 is the "official" record. 526 is beatable, and has been beaten.
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Let's just stipulate that everything you have said is true. Still, Mosconi did it a number of times, as you say, and one of those times counted, as he happened to have witnesses and perhaps even a ref/racker??

This could be like the fisherman who caught the biggest one on his day off while with his kids, but he didn't do it during the match or with the spectators around. There is a big difference there.

So, the record holds a lot of weight perhaps because of the proof behind it and the nature of the spectators present. So be it. As I was saying before, if somebody wants to prove they did it, all they need is a $150 video camera. So if so many people have/can do it as you say, what is the hangup? If somebody beats it with proof it is going to be a big deal. Well, names will change in record books etc. But that hasn't happened yet.

I'm going to go hang a plaque on my wall now that says I ran a 589 :)
 
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The Saw said:
Yeah, and if it was someone you know that had said it it would be the gospel.
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No.

If I want something to be taken as gospel I will name names.

If I just want to mention what someone else has said -- so you or anybody else can take it for what it's worth -- I occasionally do that too.

Lou Figueroa
 
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dr9ball said:
I didn't say it was Cleary :) I said "those".

Hope you're doing well.
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I'm doing well, thank you.

I just think the game isn't played now like it was in the past. Top players stick with the games that win them money. With only one major straight pool tournament a year (and major meaning by name, not prize), not a whole lot of reason for most of them to spend much time with it.

If ALL of the top players played the game now a days, we might see some high numbers, but the game just doesn't get played like it used to.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Lou pulls the anonymous move all the time.

"I spoke to a pro at DCC (who will be unnamed) about CTE and he said it was bunk... so it's bunk."
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First off, let me ask you if that is a direct quote? Or, are you used to putting quotation marks around words someone else has not actually said?

Second off, as I just said above, when it's unattributed, you and everyone else are free to take it or leave it.

Third, since we're talking about a world record -- and not some bogus aiming system (BTW, where's that grand CTE paper of yours you promised everyone for so long?) -- I think the standard of discussing what actually happened should be a bit higher than someone somewhere saying something sometime ago about how the table played compared to some other table.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
First off, let me ask you if that is a direct quote? Or, are you used to putting quotation marks around words someone else has not actually said?

Second off, as I just said above, when it's unattributed, you and everyone else are free to take it or leave it.

Third, since we're talking about a world record -- and not some bogus aiming system (BTW, where's that grand CTE paper of yours you promised everyone for so long?) -- I think the standard of discussing what actually happened should be a bit higher than someone somewhere saying something sometime ago about how the table played compared to some other table.

Lou Figueroa
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You're picking fly shit out of pepper. It's been known forever that the 8'er in question played wide-open. If it wasn't 5.5", it was 5". Either way, the conditions were such that any talented guy would run a LOT of balls on it.

Comparing his run to other "attempt venues" such as DCC or SBE is a joke. They should setup some peach-basket 8'er instead of a Diamond Pro-cut table. Compare apples to apples or don't compare anything at all.

Not taking anything away from Willie - just saying his equipment increased his odds for a large run by a nice percentage.

p.s.

I think the thread/quote in question involved a pic of "you" at the urinal asking some dude about CTE.
 
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Confusion between side and corner pocket measurements?

Folks:

I'm not entirely convinced that we may be confusing side pocket measurements with corner pocket measurements. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but on a table with 5" pockets (as is suspected on the 8'er that Mosconi ran the 526 on), aren't the side pockets the corresponding measurement of 5.5"?

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Folks:

I'm not entirely convinced that we may be confusing side pocket measurements with corner pocket measurements. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but on a table with 5" pockets (as is suspected on the 8'er that Mosconi ran the 526 on), aren't the side pockets the corresponding measurement of 5.5"?

-Sean
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Or a table with 5.5" pockets would have 6" side pockets???
 
cleary said:
Or a table with 5.5" pockets would have 6" side pockets???
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Well, I was actually directing my post at the notion that all this is a "fish story" of the pockets getting bigger with each telling of the story. Specifically, this post:

dr9ball said:
I love how the pockets on the 8 foot table keep getting bigger the more times the story is told. First 4 3/4" pockets then 5" pockets and now 5.5" pockets. Is there any documented evidence as to how big the pockets actually were?
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And we seem to be going back and forth in this thread, with variations of that "5" number.

-Sean
 
Long thread, so i have not read it all, but what was the specs of the table Mosconi did 526 on, compared to todays GC or Diamond with the superfast simonis cloth and Aramith balls?
 
lfigueroa said:
No.

If I want something to be taken as gospel I will name names.

If I just want to mention what someone else has said -- so you or anybody else can take it for what it's worth -- I occasionally do that too.

Lou Figueroa
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Well, I'll make it gospel then.... Johnny Jacket (Jackewiscz ?sp?) told me. If it was some old hack that was full of hot air I wouldn't give it any credibility. But it came from a super solid guy that worked a regular job, was a really good player, and wouldn't tell a lie or stretch the truth under any circumstance. He told me about the table long before Wikipedia and azbilliards. What he said matched up with the 5-1/2" buckets though... He was in bad health the last I heard but I have put out a few feelers for how to contact him, if he's still with us. If I can get with him I will go see him and record his statement of what the table actually was and post it for all to see.
 
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