Beware EBAY Szamboti 6 pt.....

The seller still hasn't removed the 6 pointer from ebay, after I emailed him twice, informing him that it is NOT a Szamboti cue.

There is another cue on ebay, that states it is "the LAST cue Gus refinished". I don't know how he can say that when it's not true, buyer beware!

I'm sick of scammers and con artist.

I hope this helps people,
Respectfully,
Barry Szamboti

Barry, I e-mailed the seller too, asking him if he was aware the cue was not your father's work. He replied with one word, "yes". I sent e-bay copies of our e-mail exchange and reported the auction as misrepresenting a famous persons work. Hope this helps.
 
Yep this is one of the reasons I joined AZ, Alot of really good people looking out for one another! I am no expert on Szamboti's only have 5 but I knew something wasn't right! Gus, Barry, Dennis,Pete they are my favorite. You can see the Passion in their WORK! Ron
 
The seller still hasn't removed the 6 pointer from ebay, after I emailed him twice, informing him that it is NOT a Szamboti cue.

There is another cue on ebay, that states it is "the LAST cue Gus refinished". I don't know how he can say that when it's not true, buyer beware!

I'm sick of scammers and con artist.

I hope this helps people,
Respectfully,
Barry Szamboti

Hey Barry,
Maybe he's waiting for an expert to tell him it's not real before he takes it down :)
Thanks for posting here buddy..
Best,
Ken
 
6 pointer

Maybe this guy is legit.
What if he had two cues a real szamboti and this 6 pointer .
He sold the the real szamboti for 100 at his yard sale .

Just a thought
 
The seller still hasn't removed the 6 pointer from ebay, after I emailed him twice, informing him that it is NOT a Szamboti cue.

There is another cue on ebay, that states it is "the LAST cue Gus refinished". I don't know how he can say that when it's not true, buyer beware!

I'm sick of scammers and con artist.

I hope this helps people,
Respectfully,
Barry Szamboti


Your a whole lots nicer than I would be if some one was pulling that move. Hope you had a nice Turkeyday.

Best,
Eric:)
 
Well if the seller actually knew anything about cues and has a Gus I'm sure if it was for sale they would go to a place where actual knowledgable collectors were like AZ or other billiard communities to sell it. Ebay s****, it is the poison of the net. Worse part is things are only gonna get worse.
 
Very good guess especially as in the 80's Jim worked with Verl quite a bit and bought most of his supplies from Verl. Everything looks like one of theirs to me except for the red dot. But if they are Prather points I would suspect that the red inlay is a Prather piece too. I have a couple of Jimmy's cues with a but almost identical except for the red dot.

While the points look like Prather points to me, Jim and Verl did use a lot of Szam points in the 80's. The cue also wouldn't be from 79 or 80 if it was Jim's as he has told me multiple times he didn't make cues til 82 or 83 and most of his first few dozen cues had Szam points he bought from Verl Horn. If it is a later cue of his it would most likely have Prather points. And either be from the 80's or very late 90's as Jim didn't make many cues in the early or mid 90's. Jim didn't start making his own points until 2000.

I'll see Jim tomorrow and show him the listing. But I agree with a few of the previous posters that its a Ingram or Horn.

I was going to guess Ingram or Horn.

Scott
 
Personally wish that e-bay would post all replies to messages for all active auctions.
The questions would be very interesting to read with all his replies.
 
Personally wish that e-bay would post all replies to messages for all active auctions.
The questions would be very interesting to read with all his replies.

I sell stuff on eBay for a living and I'd crap if eBay decided to do that. Think about what people are willing to say in their threads here at AZ, multiply that by 10 times, and that's the level of messages people are willing to send me about stuff I sell on eBay. I sell loads of stuff that I'm no expert on, but the postures that people are willing to take in their messages to me and the reasons they are willing to say make them experts, are often laughable, and the stuff they claim and the accusations can get pretty absurd. Personally, I'd be upset if eBay trashed up my pretty auctions by publishing that stuff.

You can't really expect eBay to police all their millions of auctions. They disclaim about their position in the process and are pretty well covered. And you can't really expect eBay to take sides in a "he said she said" deal between a seller and a self-proclaimed "expert". What they do is have a program experts can join called (I think) VERO. Companies like Chanel and Vuitton that see great value in their trademark and logo protection are members. Artists' representatives are members. Once you are accepted in to the VERO program you can call eBay, question the authenticity of a listing, and eBay will immediately close the auction down. It is then its on the seller to prove the authenticity of his offering or move on to listing something else.

Guys like Barry, Tasc, Ernie, Hercek, Tad, Searing and really all craftsman that trade on their names and logos or provide authentication, have a stock in keeping the pool of collectibles in their respective brands pure. It is to Searing's benefit for example, just like it is to Rolex, that a buyer seeing their logo will be assured that what they are getting is high quality and genuine. In this way its in Searing's best interest that cues with his name on the forearm are really made by him. Dennis has to expect that if he allows 1000s of cheaply made cues to be out there with his logo on them, it hurts his customers , and ultimately will cost him. Its to Dennis's benefit to ID cues that are his as his, its to the buyer's benefit to verify that the stick that at least 1/2 the monetary value assigned to lies in the Searing logo, is a Searing. Searing is glad to do it, you get the point.

It was nice of Barry to log in on this thread and render what would, of course, be the final word on authenticity of this cue. I like the way these guys protect the market as it is, I don't think they have to join VERO, spend their time or money policing the world, or even logging in to an AZ thread and rendering opinion. What they all already do is gladly authenticate their product or the brand they represent (if asked). That's really a great service, and that's really more than enough. If one is willing to buy a cue that is represented as a Balabushka without prior authentication by Tascarella, or without the contingency of Tasc's verification, then that buyer deserves what he gets. The service that Tasc provides in authenticating George's cues holds way more value than the money he charges for it. In this way, he and Barry and others protect the market and support the value of their brands and it is foolish to attempt to trade in their brands without their knowledge. That's what they do. Its a great service and its a cooperative venture. Its in the maker's or his representatives' best interest to keep the cues in his brand pure, its of course in the buyer's best interest to seek their advice. I think its a great system and I'm grateful for those that provide it or participate in it.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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Kevin

Thanks for your input as a power seller. I have sold maybe 2 or 3 items and each time the questions were reasonable and thought provoking. I do agree with what you have said and the comment I made was out of frustration that so many people contacted the seller and he is continuing with his sham.

Appreciate it very much and go luck with all your sales.
Myron
 
Kevin

Thanks for your input as a power seller. I have sold maybe 2 or 3 items and each time the questions were reasonable and thought provoking. I do agree with what you have said and the comment I made was out of frustration that so many people contacted the seller and he is continuing with his sham.

Appreciate it very much and go luck with all your sales.
Myron

Myron

Thanks.

On the other hand, most everything I know about high-end silver and china I learned from informative eBayers messaging me. So, just like AZ, you ferret through the misinformation, because that is also where the experts are.

You want to know something about a Szam, Searing, Spain, Bushka, Gina, Tad, Palmer, Hoppe, Paradise, Rambo, Martin. etc, where better than here?

Thanks (I love that propeller Barry)

Kevin
 
Birk is correct. I saw Jim Ingram today and showed him the ebay listing and he verified that is one of his cues with Prather points.
 
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