I found this information from the Federal Trade Commission:
www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm
www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm
Beware IPT Supporters
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zeeder said:
Then again, maybe that's how many times every player getting involved with this venture and every fan planning to support it should read it.
Based on the info in the link, making false claims about his products is standard operating procedure for Trudeau. Maybe he won't misrepresent pool in attempting to sell it to the public, right? Oh, wait, he's already done it, calling his IPT event the World 8-ball Championship.
This venture might work, and pool could be the big winner. Obviously, we're all trying to be optimistic here, but ..... there is a disreputable businessman at the helm of this venture, and that carries certain implications. Caveat emptor!
Beware IPT Supporters:jason said:
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/
Guess it doesn't hurt that the promoter and financial supporter has a #1 NY Times Best Seller book.
Deno
Well, here's my take on the IPT. You can be sure that tongues are wagging about this multi-million-dollar tour consisting of 8-ball on slow cloth. And let's be real about this. Kevin Trudeau has announced that he is adding monies to the tournaments which will end up having a first-place prize purse of $200,000 to $300,000.
Now, when I think about it, here's a man who is a multi-millionaire and is creating a tour which will provide opportunities to pool players to make decent monies. NEVER BEFORE, has there been a tournament with these kinds of monies.
I do not believe Kevin Trudeau is trying to make a quick buck by snatching $899 from pool players for lifetime membership in the IPT to fatten his pocket book. There is no money in pool as it currently exists today. We all know that. Do you think that this guy is trying to gnaw on a pool bone with not much meat on it to make a profit? I sure don't. He's taking a gamble and hoping that by having a tour of this size, it will catch on and grow in popularity. Any profits he could realize will only come in due time and well after the fact.
I've read about a lot of public figures who are scrutinized in the press. Yet, they have done great things in the eyes of the public. Even the Presidents of the United States are bashed about in the media, Clinton saying he never had sex with that woman, Bush Junior partying in college with alcohol and other substances. Here's a guy who's willing to shell out his own monies which well exceed anything he will get from pool players' memberships and entry fees. Let's give it a chance. Don't bury this baby before it is even born yet. JMHO, FWIW.
JAM
Now, when I think about it, here's a man who is a multi-millionaire and is creating a tour which will provide opportunities to pool players to make decent monies. NEVER BEFORE, has there been a tournament with these kinds of monies.
I do not believe Kevin Trudeau is trying to make a quick buck by snatching $899 from pool players for lifetime membership in the IPT to fatten his pocket book. There is no money in pool as it currently exists today. We all know that. Do you think that this guy is trying to gnaw on a pool bone with not much meat on it to make a profit? I sure don't. He's taking a gamble and hoping that by having a tour of this size, it will catch on and grow in popularity. Any profits he could realize will only come in due time and well after the fact.
I've read about a lot of public figures who are scrutinized in the press. Yet, they have done great things in the eyes of the public. Even the Presidents of the United States are bashed about in the media, Clinton saying he never had sex with that woman, Bush Junior partying in college with alcohol and other substances. Here's a guy who's willing to shell out his own monies which well exceed anything he will get from pool players' memberships and entry fees. Let's give it a chance. Don't bury this baby before it is even born yet. JMHO, FWIW.
JAM
Trudeau claims he can cure cancer and diabetes, if this is the only sponsorship money that pool can get, I don't want a part of it..
Trudeau is nothin' but a cheap 2-bit hustler..
Trudeau is nothin' but a cheap 2-bit hustler..
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i rememeber seeing him on late nite tv making those claims. i felt sick someone would try to hustle desperate possibly dying people out of thier money giving them false hope.14.1player said:
JAM said:
A well-reasoned post for sure. I feel just as strongly as you that Trudeau isn't trying to rip off pro pool players. They are the product. Trudeau's case history is that he misrepresents his product in order to sell it to the public, and he's making no exception in the case of pool, having called his first IPT event the World 8-ball Championship. Who knows what his future plans are for securing investment in or, possibly, selling his tour to somebody else?
That Trudeau has been scrutinized is, as you note, no big deal. He has, however, been legally disciplined for fraud on a very grand scale, which makes him very different from the other public figures mentioned in your post.
Still, all these points aside, I have to agree with you that the best approach right now is to give Trudeau a chance and wish him well in his venture. The upside potential is simply too tasty to take lightly, and the fact is that Trudeau has been highly successful in some of his business ventures, so maybe he can make this work.
14.1player said:
It doesn't seem KT is making any claims that are significantly different from what most in the alternative medicine field have been preaching for years.
His book does a good job of uncovering the fraudulent and harmful FDA and pharmaceutical industry.
The fact that he is educating millions to be more suspicious about governmental interference in the health/sickness industry is a great contribution to the world.
Also, regarding his memory business, though I'm sure the claims were exagerated, I bet many people inproved their abilities through his system.
His marketing method does not appeal to me much, but it is a method that is proven to work, and that has allowed him to reach and positively affect more people than he otherwise could have.
It now seems very likely he will start the greatest revolution in pool history with the IPT.
Hat's off to Kevin!
Deno J. Andrews said:
I don't remember what it requires in sales to get on the NY best sellers list but selling through informational it would be pretty easy. I doubt there are many books on there where the people ask for their money back. I know we selfishly want to see pool prosper but lets not be naive as to what kind of guy this is. He represents the worst in a human being. One who prays on the weak and desperate. Read some of the reviews of his book. They range from Trash to worthless. He is not a nice man and I am sorry to see pool being associated with him. Any publicity pool may get as a result of this I am sure will be overshadowed by his reputation. I can't imagine a legitimate sponsor even remotely wanting to have their name associated with him. In fact his association with pool again represents a man telling desperate people, (Poor Pool players) What they want to hear.
See some reviews below
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...33226-8790209?_encoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
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Nick B said:
Nick, I don't know your age, so don't know if you'll remember this or not. If not, you'll get a kick out of it. MANY cigarettes used to claim health benefits... one even claimed to open up the "T-Zone" for better breathing. Still laughing my ass off about that 40 year old commercial.
In any case, I wouldn't care if sponsorships were from MegaMemory, Marlboro, or Trojan Condoms, as long a someone gets corporate money started funneling into pool.
As far as alternative medicine... well, our FDA has probably killed as many people as it's helped. Many drugs and "cures" that are outlawed and banned in the US, or are called fraudulent by our AMA and FDA, are available and widely accepted in other countries, esp in the European markets. A lot of what is sold on infomercials late at night, is available in pharmacies in many other countries, but not in the US. I may be wrong, but it seems the Med Co's, the FDA, the FTC and the AMA go after anyone who might sell something when they can't get a piece of the pie.
Later,
Bob
Later,
Bob
Nick B said:
True, but they are THE CAUSE of cancer. So which do you think is worse for those who have a conscience about the integrity of a sponsoring body?
Nick B said:
Camel makes attractive girls want to sleep with you
btw: The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew the Federal Government gained the power to tell companies they cannot sponsor sports events
Look many years ago silly things were claimed. It's the reality of life. Coca-Cola used to included Coca leaves. Would we not accept Coke's money with open arms.
Camel knows as does everyone else about the ills of smoking (i'm an ex-smoker). They want what smokers exist to use their product. It's up to the Goverment to stop this. If we outlaw them then this huge underground ecomony will result. It's not a simple problem.
KT is a pure bs artist who cheats people who need help. Let's stick to this fact. Camel is no longer assostiated with pool so let's work on the current. We need a killer application to propel Pool into mainstream. I.E. Internet gambling made Poker. Maybe we can get Parris to shoot her next Porn on a pool table?
Camel knows as does everyone else about the ills of smoking (i'm an ex-smoker). They want what smokers exist to use their product. It's up to the Goverment to stop this. If we outlaw them then this huge underground ecomony will result. It's not a simple problem.
KT is a pure bs artist who cheats people who need help. Let's stick to this fact. Camel is no longer assostiated with pool so let's work on the current. We need a killer application to propel Pool into mainstream. I.E. Internet gambling made Poker. Maybe we can get Parris to shoot her next Porn on a pool table?
iusedtoberich said:
iusedtoberich said:
That's wrong!
Smoking is correlated with some types of cancer-
It also has several important proven Health Benefits
- Parkinson's disease. The frequency of this degenerative disorder of the nervous system among smokers appears to be half the rate among nonsmokers – an effect recognized by the Surgeon General as along ago as 1964.
- Alzheimer's disease. Similarly, the frequency of this degenerative mental disorder has recently been found to be as much as 50%less among smokers than among nonsmokers for example, by the H studies reviewed in the International Journal of Epidemiology in 1991.
- Endometrial cancer. There is extensive and long-standing evidence that this disease of the womb occurs as much as 50% less among smokers as documented by, for example, a New England Journal of Medicine article back in 1985. The triggering mechanism appears to be a reduction of estrogen levels.
- Prostate cancer. Conversely, smoking seems to raise estrogen levels in men and may be responsible for what appears to be a 50% lower rate of prostate cancer among smokers, although this needs corroboration.
- Osteoarthritis. This degenerative disorder of bone and cartilage is up to five times less likely to occur among heavy smokers as documented, for example, by the federal government's first Health and Nutrition Examination Survey.
- Colon cancer, ulcerative colitis. These diseases of the bowel seem to be about 30% and 50% less frequent among smokers as documented, for example, by articles in the Journal of the American Medical Association and in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1981 and 1983, respectively.
- Other benefits that have been suggested for smoking: Lower rates of sarcoidosis and allergic alveolitis, both lung disorders, and possibly even acne. Smokers are also lighter ironically, because obesity is a leading cause of the cardiovascular disease that smoking is also supposed to exacerbate. So you could quit smoking and still die of a heart attack because of the weight you put on.
Read this article to learn more about the myths of Smoking
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/brimelow1.html
This is from an article originally published in Forbes magazine.
They don't teach this stuff in the Children's Prisons (schools)
or on the Government Propaganda Network (Mainstream Media)
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Ok. We shouldn't turn this thread into another "drug" thread. I will trust the points you made about how smoking could possibly help in some cases. But you have to look at the whole picture. If cigarettes were never invented, there would be MUCH less people dying from "cigarette induced illnesses" than the small amounts of people that cigarettes could possibly help.
The reason I brought it up was because the character of the tour promoter was brought into question. We have discussed this many times, and one important point to keep in mind was made by someone in one of the many threads: That is, nearly EVERY multimillionaire is unethical in some way or other.
The reason I brought it up was because the character of the tour promoter was brought into question. We have discussed this many times, and one important point to keep in mind was made by someone in one of the many threads: That is, nearly EVERY multimillionaire is unethical in some way or other.
iusedtoberich said:
True, it's off topic, but I it's an important issue for people to know, and I like crushing myths when they pop up! To let it slide is to condone it.
Note: By your argument above, we should also ban cars and fast food.
You sound like a Marxist! Go read some Ayn Rand or Austrian economics and come back when you're no longer a threat to other's freedom.
It's an issue of freedom!
The ignorant will be enslaved.