looking for answer to question about billiard tables playing long or short. I am questioning whether the gold crown billiard tables of the past 20 or so years play long. I understand that most players prefer long playing tables. My last old brunswick (circa 1920 played long and was my mistake in selling) Can't afford the newer heated tables, so just wondering if any of the newer gold crowns play long? (JUST ONE MORE REQUEST PLEASE DO NOT REFER ME TO BOB JEWETT, AS I DO NOT TRUST HIS JUDGEMENT) ALL OTHERS ARE WELCOME. THANKS jmb
billiard table - long and short?
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JMB said:
I had a Gold Crown One billiard table in my first pool room. It actually played shorter than other tables I've played on. The roll was more like you would expect from a regular Gold Crown pool table. Probably the same rails and rubber.
I wish I still had it too. Sat in storage for years and finally sold it for $500. Now it's in one of the East L.A. rooms that billiard players frequent.
Yup, he rarely knows what he is talking about and he has almost no experience with GC carom tables.JMB said:
You would be better off contacting someone like Pat Sheehan who writes a column for On The Break News about table maintenance and restoring old tables. He has done a lot of work on carom tables. You might also want to contact the Elks Lodge in Medford, Oregon, as they installed new European rubber on their nine unheated carom tables and they are said to play nice and long.
Pat's past columns are available at: http://www.onthebreaknews.com/SheehanIndex.htm and his email is in the columns. Pat will know who to contact in Medford.
You're right. None of us pays any attention to what he has to say. Here's my advice:JMB said:
You would be better off contacting someone like Pat Sheehan who writes a column for On The Break News about table maintenance and restoring old tables. He has done a lot of work on carom tables. You might also want to contact the Elks Lodge in Medford, Oregon, as they installed new European rubber on their nine unheated carom tables and they are said to play nice and long.
Pat's past columns are available at: http://www.onthebreaknews.com/SheehanIndex.htm and his email is in the columns. Pat will know who to contact in Medford.
Jim
sde - you are right and wrong - I did not ask for your BS - and my opinion is just that - mine - i only asked for knowledge about short and lonmg rolling billiard tables, if you have knowledge, not BS, I ask for your sharing that with me. (other than that keep your B S to yourself.)
lol. LOve it.
Jal said:
Bob,
Is there a standard way to determine whether a table play long or short that the majority of top players would agree?
This is the way I learned to judge as an intermidate beginner. Before each match I would do a little test:
If the CB ends up hitting pt A, the table is 6.2 pt short.
If the CB ends up hitting pt B, the table is 5.4 pt long.
http://CueTable.com/C/?@0x1BbKh2Ebq...qdoC50&ZZ3rfvB30&ZZ4seaN20&ZZ2tfLB20&ZZ4uAAK@
This can be found on pg 110 of Mr. 100 by Ceulemans
On a heated table with clean vacuumed cloth at Carom Cafe, I get 20 most of the time. On newly installed cloth I get about 25.
Is there a standard way to determine whether a table play long or short that the majority of top players would agree?
This is the way I learned to judge as an intermidate beginner. Before each match I would do a little test:
If the CB ends up hitting pt A, the table is 6.2 pt short.
If the CB ends up hitting pt B, the table is 5.4 pt long.
http://CueTable.com/C/?@0x1BbKh2Ebq...qdoC50&ZZ3rfvB30&ZZ4seaN20&ZZ2tfLB20&ZZ4uAAK@
This can be found on pg 110 of Mr. 100 by Ceulemans
On a heated table with clean vacuumed cloth at Carom Cafe, I get 20 most of the time. On newly installed cloth I get about 25.
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Does nobody realize that heat, humidity, cloth type, rail rubber, tighness of cloth on the rails, speed, spin, ball surface-clean vs dirty, cloth-clean vs dirty will make a Gabriel or any other billiards table play 3 different ways in three different locations...with the same table? The only way these tables will ever play consistently the same...is if they're in matching environments, meaning everything about them is the exact same....except the players. Because the players are going to play the way they play, consistently, on no matter which table they're playing on. Any player that plays a little bit to much spin, is going to play long. Another player playing not enough spin, is going to play short. Long or short, I'd say is 25% table, and 75% the player.
Glen
Glen
Long and Short end
Doesnt anyone know that there is a long and short end of every table, especially billiard tables? I'm sure Bob Jewett does. But really, every table, billiard and pool, runs long on one end and short on the other. This was the first thing I learned at Bensinger's in 3 Cushion 101 in 1963. To clarify, my dear students, "with the grain" or nap, runs long, and "against the grain" runs short. You must be aware of this in order to play top-notch billiards or bank pool.
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Doesnt anyone know that there is a long and short end of every table, especially billiard tables? I'm sure Bob Jewett does. But really, every table, billiard and pool, runs long on one end and short on the other. This was the first thing I learned at Bensinger's in 3 Cushion 101 in 1963. To clarify, my dear students, "with the grain" or nap, runs long, and "against the grain" runs short. You must be aware of this in order to play top-notch billiards or bank pool.
the Beard
Buy my books and learn more.
freddy the beard said:
What about non-directional cloth? Since the late 60's, non-directional cloth has become more popular, and is used more today than ever in the past. Non-directional cloth has the same ball speed, no mater which direction of ball roll. That is one of the major selling points of the cloth today.
Glen
Getting back to the original question. I've never played on a Gold Crown
that didn't play short, even with new cloth and new balls. The other thing that's annoying is you can't see the diamonds when down over the shot since they're slightly behind the crown. They just are not good tables for 3 cushion. Keep your eyes and ears open. A pre WWll Brunswick will show up soon enough. It'a worth the wait.
that didn't play short, even with new cloth and new balls. The other thing that's annoying is you can't see the diamonds when down over the shot since they're slightly behind the crown. They just are not good tables for 3 cushion. Keep your eyes and ears open. A pre WWll Brunswick will show up soon enough. It'a worth the wait.
No such thing
There is no such thing as total non-directional cloth. What they call non-directional cloth only means that it doesnt roll quite as long or quite as short as the old stuff. But believe me, and I have installed and covered many tables, it still is noticeably directional and to play perfect you should make the necessary adjustments.
the Beard
realkingcobra said:
There is no such thing as total non-directional cloth. What they call non-directional cloth only means that it doesnt roll quite as long or quite as short as the old stuff. But believe me, and I have installed and covered many tables, it still is noticeably directional and to play perfect you should make the necessary adjustments.
the Beard
Rasta said:
Good question Rasta. What this refers to is the angle the Cue Ball takes after coming off the second or third rail. On some tables (due to rail rubber, cloth, etc. etc.) the Cue Ball will take a very wide (or long) angle. And on some tables, the Cue Ball angle will be noticeably less (or shorter).
And that's the long and short of it (pun intended).
So, you're telling me that you can tell in which direction I've installed Iwan Simonis 760 cloth? From head to foot, or from foot to head...is that what you're telling me? And you're telling me that when I cut a rip of Simonis 760freddy the beard said:
cloth off a roll, I should pay attention as to which direction in which I install it...to get the direction of the cloth right?
Pleeeeasse enlighten me as to the correct direction in which to install Simonis 760 cloth.
Back when I started recovering pool tables..."Charles House" cloth was directional...and had to be installed from head to foot, as to insure the nap was in the direction of the foot of the table. The cloth was also to only be brushed in the direction of the head to foot....I know what directional cloth is.
Glen