Billiards With A Bottle

JAM

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Instead of containing whiskey or beer, this particular bottle is six-and-three-quarter-inches tall and made of leather, and it serves as the centerpiece of an arcane but surprisingly accessible game called bottle pool.

Although bottle pool's origins remain obscure, records of various tournaments indicate the game dates at least to the 19th century. It once had an avid following among University of Michigan faculty members. Now its most active venues are private enclaves in New York City like the Racquet Club and the Union Club. A longtime member of both clubs estimates there are fewer than 1,000 bottle pool players nationwide.

Before starting a match, players flip coins to determine their shooting order. The table is set up with the red and yellow object balls resting against the rails at the foot end, and the bottle resting on its mouth in the dead center. The winner of the coin flips places the cue ball behind an imaginary line near the head end of the table, and then shoots at one of the object balls.

In the first leg, you can score three ways: by sinking object balls pool-style, earning 1 point for yellow and 2 points for red; by caroming the cue ball off both object balls billiards-style for 1 point; or by caroming the cue ball off an object ball and knocking over the bottle for 5 points. The trick is to score 25 points and only 25 points. If you "go over" (say, by knocking over the bottle after already amassing 21 points), you have to restart the first leg and work your way back up to 25.

The goal in the second leg is to score two billiards points. But if you unintentionally sink an object ball without making a billiard on the shot, you lose your turn. In the final leg, you have to make an intentional "scratch" in which the cue ball caroms off the yellow object ball and disappears into a called pocket...

...The Judge leaned over the table with a Marlboro Light dangling from his lip. By now, he had already completed the second leg, and he was telling a story about a hunting trip in Alaska at the end of World War II that proved to be lesson No. 2, a true-life parable of culture clash. Along with a guide and an Army buddy, he'd trekked deep into the wilderness to find a herd of moose gathered beside a watering hole.

"I didn't want to shoot because the moose were just standing still, and there wasn't any sport in it," he recalled. "The guide said, 'We've come all this way. Shoot one.' So my Army buddy shot one. A few minutes later, a band of Indians came out 0f the woods and butchered it. Then they started waving their arms at us and pointing at another moose. The guide said, 'They want you to shoot that one now.'"

The Judge paused, took aim on the cue ball, and scratched it off to win the match. I asked him what happened to the second moose. "I shot it," he replied with a triumphant grin, "and we watched the Indians butcher it, too."

Lesson No. 3 was the payoff. In keeping with bottle pool custom, the Boss and I paid the Judge $1 each for his victory. Then the three of us set up the table for another match.


Here's a cute article from The New York Times about a young man playing some old school campaigners, a 90-year-old municipal court judge who still claims to have 20/15 vision, drives his own car, and smokes Marlboro Light cigarettes, and another oldster, a 75-year-old banker who calls himself "a banana" when he misses a shot: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/26/b...00&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

In recent times, I have been trying to gather info on how many games there are in this wonderful world of billiards and came across this article. I know a bottle with pills came with my pool table when I bought it, but according to this article, there's fewer than 1,000 bottle pool players nationwide.

A leather bottle for bottle pool can cost as much as $50. Knocking one over earns 5 points, one goal of the complex game is to score exactly 25 points., as depicted in the picture below.

I am amazed at the variety of billiards games exist, but that's a topic for another thread. Who's played bottle pool before? :p

JAM
 

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Bottle pool, also known as bottle-billiards and bottle pocket billiards, is a hybrid billiards game combining aspects of both carom billiards and pocket billiards.

Played on a standard pool table, the game uses just two object balls, a cue ball, and a six and three-quarter inch tall, narrow-necked bottle called a shake bottle or tally bottle, traditionally made from leather, that is placed on the table and used as a target for caroms.

Those unfamiliar with the game sometimes mistakenly use its name as a synonym for the very different game of kelly pool.

Bottle pool has been described as combining "elements of billiards, straight pool and chess under a set of rules that lavishly rewards strategic shot making and punishes mistakes...


Here's a nice article about Bottle Pool on Wikipedia, the Internet encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_pool

JAM
 
I've played Kelly Pool (drawing pills from the bottle) a few times but I've never heard of actually putting the bottle on the table as a part of the game
 
We played bottle pool a lot in the 1950-1960's in my room in NY anyhow. For us it was just to pass the time until the fouth guy came in to play partners momey ball.

There was a game that got it's idea from bottle pool called Q-ball. Instead of a bottle it had a wooden mushroom. The game was on fire in the bars in NY, NJ, an PA. I'm not sure if other states had it or not. It was enen shown live on TV in the NY area once a week fo a hour.

I've looking for a Q-ball table for years. I had several New Yorker's looking for one and came up empty. I should have made one out of an old bar table when I had my health. Just take the slate off, replace it with 1/2" marine plywood, drill the holes for points and cover it. You only shoot from one end so not much room is needed compared to a pool table. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
We played bottle pool a lot in the 1950-1960's in my room in NY anyhow. For us it was just to pass the time until the fouth guy came in to play partners momey ball.

There was a game that got it's idea from bottle pool called Q-ball. Instead of a bottle it had a wooden mushroom. The game was on fire in the bars in NY, NJ, an PA. I'm not sure if other states had it or not. It was enen shown live on TV in the NY area once a week fo a hour.

I've looking for a Q-ball table for years. I had several New Yorker's looking for one and came up empty. I should have made one out of an old bar table when I had my health. Just take the slate off, replace it with 1/2" marine plywood, drill the holes for points and cover it. You only shoot from one end so not much room is needed compared to a pool table. Johnnyt

Not many 65 years old plus from the NY area on here I guess. I first saw them in bars when I was about 10 delivering ice with my Dad. Johnnyt
 
I played bottle pool a lot when I was a kid through my early 20's, I lived with my Uncle and he had a 10' snooker table. We used a plastic pill bottle instead of leather. This is a great game to teach you how to control the Q-ball, on each shot you are either trying make an object ball, hit both object balls, knock the bottle over or all three of the above in the same shot. We played to a score of 31 and if you hit 11 points on the way up you went back to 0.

Truly a great game.
 
Played it in the local room years ago, but got into an argument about the rules. One of the four of us playing insisted that pocketing the balls didn't count, only caroms counted. The way I learned to play was from the BCA rule book, but he wouldn't have it that way so we quit. It was some years later that I realized he had been talking about Bottle Billliards instead of Bottle Pool. Somebody else {who now owns the pool room} said they had seen it played both ways on a pool table, with and without pocketing the balls.
 
bigskyjake said:
I've played Kelly Pool (drawing pills from the bottle) a few times but I've never heard of actually putting the bottle on the table as a part of the game

Me too.....I have played "PILL POOL" but like BIGSKYJAKE I have never heard of this bottle game.......

Frankie
 
It was quite popular in the New England area in the sixties, where I grew up. We played it to pass the time and it was a no money fun game. If you do a search here you can find the rules, I'm just to lazy but the discussion has been held here b4.
Dan
 
JAM said:
Instead of containing whiskey or beer, this particular bottle is six-and-three-quarter-inches tall and made of leather, and it serves as the centerpiece of an arcane but surprisingly accessible game called bottle pool.

JAM

In the 50's we played quite a bit of pool on the 5 x 10 snooker table in California with the leather bottle on the table. We played "Bottle Pool" as described in the article and also used the bottle in Golf on a snooker table. If you knocked the bottle over on your turn it was five hickeys (scratches), or back a hole. Every room had one and in later years they started using the plastic bottles that are still around today. John
 
I played Golf with the bottle on a Snooker table at Tom's on Park Avenue in the Tampa Bay area in the early 1980's. They had a game going most of the time there then. It might have been called Park Avenue Billiard's. I know Tom was from Staten Island, NY. Johnnyt
 
jrhendy said:
In the 50's we played quite a bit of pool on the 5 x 10 snooker table in California with the leather bottle on the table. We played "Bottle Pool" as described in the article and also used the bottle in Golf on a snooker table. If you knocked the bottle over on your turn it was five hickeys (scratches), or back a hole. Every room had one and in later years they started using the plastic bottles that are still around today. John
John, is that you in the avatar? Looks like you've gotten younger.
I remember playing bottle pool but forgot most of the rules. Was there a major penalty for knocking the bottle off the table? I remember it was a lot easier knocking the plastic one off. The leather was a little heavier.
 
I forget the rules now too. Probably because I want to for get the whole game. I was almost always the dog in the game with Tom, CM Lee, and a few more of the Bay area's pro's at the time could jump in at any time. Johnnyt
 
When I was just a lil kid in the late 60's, my uncle had a pool table. I was to young to play but I remember thay had a leather bottle and played this game. When I was a teenager we got a plastic bottle with the numbers or pills as we called em. I had these two games confused for a long time.
 
B-pool

Saw It Being Played At The Yankee Club Last Year. They Played It For About 1 Month Until The Newness Wore Off. It Was A Hoot From The Sidelines.
 
dabarbr said:
John, is that you in the avatar? Looks like you've gotten younger.
I remember playing bottle pool but forgot most of the rules. Was there a major penalty for knocking the bottle off the table? I remember it was a lot easier knocking the plastic one off. The leather was a little heavier.

That is me in the avatar, taken about a year ago. The good clean living in Northern Ca and playing a lot of pool again is keeping me young. I'll be down at Hollywood Billiards for the tournament July 4th & will be around a few extra days to visit Hard Times and Santa Monica House of Billiards to play a little one pocket. Look forward to seeing you if you are around. John
 
Playing Old Men Was BRUTAL And Now I AM One..Oy-Vey ! (I'd hate to lose my Dollar)

Johnnyt said:
I played Golf with the bottle on a Snooker table at Tom's on Park Avenue in the Tampa Bay area in the early 1980's. They had a game going most of the time there then. It might have been called Park Avenue Billiard's. I know Tom was from Staten Island, NY. Johnnyt


Me too. We were on our way to the beach and that was the first poolroom that I went into in this area in 1987. I hadn't ever played Golf before, but I held my own.

I played some old guy some $5 8-ball and he took five minutes on every shot and acted as if $5 was all the money he had left in the world (I felt bad taking it and then quitting....but I saw my whole life passing by during that one 40 minute game of 8-ball.)

Each time that I drive by there, I miss Tom and still think of the times that I went there to play.
Doug

(I think it was no beer or liquor and that was a foreign concept to me, coming from New Orleans) :)
 
This goes way back

Pill pool was the first game I played for money when I was a kid of 12 years old. That was 43 years ago and we used to play at a local Elks club. Our parents were members and we kids would play for hours on the weekends.
We would each take a pill and if we made our own ball it was 50 cents and if we made someone elses ball they paid 25 cents. It was a fun ring game with 6 players. Noone could run more than a few balls so it everyone usually had a chance.

TommyT:D
 
Smorgass Bored said:
Me too. We were on our way to the beach and that was the first poolroom that I went into in this area in 1987. I hadn't ever played Golf before, but I held my own.

I played some old guy some $5 8-ball and he took five minutes on every shot and acted as if $5 was all the money he had left in the world (I felt bad taking it and then quitting....but I saw my whole life passing by during that one 40 minute game of 8-ball.)

Each time that I drive by there, I miss Tom and still think of the times that I went there to play.
Doug

(I think it was no beer or liquor and that was a foreign concept to me, coming from New Orleans) :)

It sounds like you were playing CM Lee's dad. He was a millionare. I use to play him a lot of 3-cushion in there.
There was no beer or wine or video games either if I remember right. Tom was a hell of a guy. He could make you a good and cheap Sneaky from a house cue you picked off the wall too. I use to have to leave a lot of my Sneaky's behind in bars and slip out the back door or bathtroom window. I hated the site of blood...especially mine. Johnnyt
 
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