Birdseye shaftwith all kinds of pattern

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deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
forget it
i bought a cue with the shaft of highly figured birdseye
decided to return it because it was ugly as could be

so i am returning it ,along with $100
but the seller is upset even though he sent it saying he wanted me to be happy with the cue

i felt bad about returning the cue but upon inspection it was something i would never in good
conscience be able to sell


since i was paying $2000 .investment was the only priority

I have a cue that i play with

He is upset what is the right thing to do
 
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Do you not only refuse to post pics of cues you're selling, you refuse to look at pics of cues you're buying as well?

-roger
 
Looks?

I could care less how a shaft looks, I care how it plays but then again I prefer players and not collectors. My main player has a shaft that most would reject but I am so glad Andy Gilbert chose it for my cue.

I guess it all depends on how your original deal was set up and worked out.
 
I had a birdseye shaft once that drove me nuts. I really like birdseye in the forearm of the butt, but not the shaft. I don't want anything distracting my eye while shooting, like sugar marks or birdseyes...I like real clear, straight-grained, high count gri. IMO the seller should have said it was a bem shaft, they're not for everybody.
 
I was wondering what happened with that deal. But to be fair - I just checked and you can see some of them in one of the shafts in the pics......maybe there's more though.

In the end I think the buyer has to be satisfied with the deal or it's not complete......and I think in a situation like this if you gave him some cash to settle any differences and both of you to move along that this is plenty fair enough.

Regardless, you have a great reputation despite the unique way you sell cues......I've considered getting some of yours in the past but for the life of me I just can't buy a cue without at least seeing it first.
 
I agree with rayjay.

A maple shaft with figure (curl, birdseyes) may have excellent playing qualities. But the figure can be highly distracting to some players. And I think most cue makers would be well aware of that. So before choosing figured shaft(s) for a particular custom order, even if the cue maker believes it's the best shaft wood he has, I think he should contact the customer to make sure that would be acceptable.

Edit: I now see that Dean was talking about buying the cue on the secondary market rather than from the cue maker. But the same principle should apply -- the seller should make sure any potential buyer is aware of the figure in the shaft(s) before the deal is consummated.
 
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try playing with it first and see if the wood feels solid.
my $12 playing-cue-turned-break-cue has a birdseye shaft. i've been breaking with it for about 8 or 9 months now. it's really solid and stiff. still rolls straight.
 
Dean,

I have several shafts with birds eye in them and those shafts are old bowling alley maple shafts and i do love the character and the way they play. These shafts are straight grain.
 
no more for me

Dean,
He should have told you about the shafts. Even if some people like them
it is not the standard. It would be like a special order. And by the way
if you don't start posting pictures I may never borrow a cue from you
again. There are plenty of people I can borrow cues from mister. Instead
of borrowing a pig in a poke from you.
jack
 
dear jackpot

please reconsider,i get a great deal of pleasure knowing that my cues
are in your hands seeing action

I remember meeting Jack when he was in Jr High school,he was already playing pool and had a $100 bill,he explained that he could eat for up to a month at a time
for free because the restaurants couldn't make change

This was what gave me the idea that Jack was not a fella to be taken lightly.I wish i had videos of jack playing pool back in the 60's,his form was the best and he never missed,played under pressure and always won the dough

Its funny how you make friends when you are young and how long they last,years later
Jack called to get me in a high stakes golf game with him,we had always made money

I had a long putt ofabout 35 feet that looked like it was on the side of a mountain with 25 feet of break.The man we are playing says I will give you 500 to 1 you don't make that putt,I looked at Jack and asked"Is he good for $50,000.Jack says "Yeah" so I says
I bet you $100 against $50000.He says ok

Now I have always loved proposition bets and had won many over the years,so Jack is getting excited, I hit the butt playing it to break right about 25 feet and the putt misses the hole by about 15 feet,I look up to see Jack with a look of astonishment on his face
like he just lost his best friend,says that was Pams new car that i threw away

a few holes later I get a 20 yard wedge shot to the pin and ask the guy what odds I can have on the shot going in,Jack whispers ,"This is getting to be too much like gambling,"

Now he threatens to quit borrowing my cues,thats friendship!

Jack built the Libra cues,for those of you who don't know him,"Oak Cliff Shorty"

If he calls to explain how CJ's TOI is improving his game and how I could be a great player with TOI ,i may start charging for cue rental
 
birdseye shafts

Well now that everyone knows what cue dean is talking about, due to all the pms I have recieved, here is link to picks.http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=306806 I tried to capture the birdseye in pics. I liked the shafts very much and they were hand selected by Eric for this cue. I thought they would be very special to a buyer. I must have been wrong, and for that I apoligize to Dean! Yes I wanted Dean to be happy with the cue. Because of his rep, I sent cue and told him to inspect it before sending me the money. I felt this meant that everything I told him about cue was correct, and all was straight as represented. In a phone call, he said he had never seen a sugartree and wanted to try one. He also stated that he hoped he bought it cheap enough, that he could get his money back if he didn't like it. Yes I was upset that he wanted to return it, because he didn't like the shafts, and said it was the worst cue he had ever seen! I guess this is what misunderstandings cause.I guess this is my bad!
Chuck Landis
 
Slim Limpy said:
I'm almost glad I am not familiar with this sale and Deanoc hasn't given enough of a description of the sale to make any type of definative fact based decision--since I want to discuss this type of sale from a seller's point of view in the abstract.

Now make pretend I'm the seller.

If I described that item accurately with no substantial material mis-statements or descriptive errors and you get the item in the stated condition--I expect you to accept possession of that item and unless we mutually agree to a reversal of terms for some reason, that item is yours. I got your money, you got your cue. I'd like you to be happy with your purchase, but your happiness is no where stated as a term of the trade. If we can't come to a reasonable resolution to dissolving the sale, you still got your cue. I'm not taking that cue back and reselling it to appease you because you now found out it doesn't have the resale value you expected it to have. Caveat Emptor, baby.

Resell it yourself and deal with it.



The quote above would be a seller's nightmare. What am I? Sears? You test the product out and reassemble the package to look like it has never been used and just return it? Or find out you can't use it and just return it? What am I? Home Depot?

This is why I only sell on EBay except under extraordinary circumstances. Like I just did with a Micarta ferruled Schon shaft that I thought was Ivory and couldn't be sold on the Bay.

Now obviously, the terms of the sale should be explicitely detailed in the For Sale thread, but you as a buyer have no more right to "create" undefined conditions than the seller does. That why the sales here are never cut and dried as well as they are on the Bay. But your "happiness" shouldn't be interpreted as a condition of the sale, just wishfull thinking on the seller's part, unless he or she guaranteed your happiness with the sale.
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Thanks for telling the other side of it, Slim. I feel the same way.

I recently had a customer bring a cue back that he had bought from me six months prior. It was only a $100 cue, but he told me he just "wasn't happy" with it, and he wanted to know what I could do for him on a trade-in. I told him I would give him $25 towards anything in my store. He was incensed at that offer. He said he thought we were friends, and that I would be more "customer friendly." I explained that I do not normally take trade-ins, and when I do, I can only sell a used cue for half of its original retail value, therefore, I can only give someone 25% of that same value in order for me to make out on the deal. I explained that I am in business to make money, and if I give someone all of their money back, or even as much as 50% back, I don't make money. Well, the guy still wasn't happy, so I ended up giving him $50 for his cue just to shut him up and get rid of him. Now he's happy, and I'm not.

This kind of garbage happens all to often when people believe in that old saying, "the customer is always right." That saying is a lot of bull hockey! The truth is, many, many "customers" think their happiness should be guaranteed with every single purchase they make. They never want to accept responsibility if they've made a bad choice, or if they find out they didn't get over on the seller the way they thought they were going to be able to. When this happens, they cry "I'M NOT HAPPY!" Oh, boo-hoo. Grow up!

Roger
 
dear roger
remember to never buy or sell with me
i don't like your attitude and based on your feedback,
neither does anyone else
 
clandis said:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=306806 I tried to capture the birdseye in pics.
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I see the BE clearly in the pics, and I remember this cue. Never thought someone would complain about Eric's shaft wood, but there's a first time for everything.

The thing is (and as dozens of nuthuggers will gleefully jump in on any of his threads to tell you), Dean operates in an alternate FS forum universe than you and I. In Dean's FS universe, pictures are a nuisance and unnecessary. This obviously could cause all kinds of problems, so he offers a no question money back guarantee. According to his buyers (and the aforementioned nuthuggers, many of whom never bought a cue from him or anyone else), this scheme works out just great for everyone involved.

However, it seems like he expects other sellers to step into his FS universe as well, even when he's the buyer. So you took pics of the birdseye shafts, you give a detailed description of what you're selling (I know, crazy, right??), and now he's not happy despite of your painstaking efforts to represent your item accurately, and wants his money back even though the pics clearly show a shaft that has birdseyes in it. But wait, he didn't even pay you yet (remember, you're in HIS universe), so I guess he's just sending you the cue. What recourse do you have?

-roger
 
3 things.....

First, it appears to me that chuck was willing to take the cue back, so I'm not sure why this was posted publicly. He even sent the cue without up front payment. Now, somehow he looks like the "bad guy".


Second, He clearly described the cue. It was, as described. Why should the seller take it back? It wasn't misrepresented or damaged.


Third, The buyer is responsible for his "investment". Why should it even be brought up to the seller that "he hopes he can get his money back when he sells it". Think of all the Schons sold, they certainly haven't resold for the original retail price. Maybe the buyer is afraid he isn't getting over on someone for a killer deal, so he wants to send it.

P.S. If it was disclosed up front that it could be returned for any reason, that changes everything. Even moreso because there was $100 being sent back with it.
 
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