Somebody posted it to Scott Frost's wall on FB. Im assuming he and other BB players received a message about instant loans or some other form of finance. Doesnt look to good if you ask me.
Bogus Ball..from the start
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Somebody posted it to Scott Frost's wall on FB. Im assuming he and other BB players received a message about instant loans or some other form of finance. Doesnt look to good if you ask me.
jay dont hold my money but bart can...ill bet up to 10k they all get paid and another season follows....
when the nba season was short it was still a season so i guess im betting on one game in a new season...
ill post with him as soon as confirmed...bart gets a 500 jelly for holding...thats if he will do it...ive gambled this much with him in the past...i will post all at once and in cash
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And whom is Bart? I am seeking someone who is well known in the industry and trustworthy. Jay Helfert fills that role. So does Ken Schuman.
And spell out the details you want in the bet. Second season begins by when? Players paid by when? There have to be dates or we never have a payoff time.
I am ready to bet.
And spell out the details you want in the bet. Second season begins by when? Players paid by when? There have to be dates or we never have a payoff time.
I am ready to bet.
OK, I have to get off and go to work. Will be back online in the morning. If we can agree on a stake-holder and terms we can certainly bet on this. Other stake-holders who are known and trusted on this forum are Fatboy and the owners of the site, if any of them will do it. If I do not know Bart he aint holding my money.
Detail the specifics of the bet you wish.
Detail the specifics of the bet you wish.
Chris Bartram, I assume.
Bart Simpson is the most likely alternative, but I wouldn't trust him with $10k.
. In the business world you never hire more people than you can pay
I have no desire to get involved with a non profit pro billiards tour in any way, shape or form. This has been unsuccessfully tried for 30 years and it will never work out favorably. The main reason is "too many chiefs and not enough indians" as John McChesney used to say.
Pro Pool needs a REAL business that is dedicated to their share holders - approximately 50% would be owned by the professional players (I'm just throwing out percentages for example only), and the other 50% by the managing/operating body the would also include the investors. The marketing and business would be handled by experienced professionals which may or may not include anyone that plays pool.
Starting out with 32 players is not prudent, like it's immediately detrimental to over staff a business. In the business world you never hire more people than you can pay, so this establishes your pay roll, then you build according to how the business performs. Generating a business plan with a proforma, profit/loss projections, balance sheet (etc.), and mission statement would be generated before "day 1" of the business is announced.
This is basic business fundamentals and something that Pro Pool has not been exposed to. Why would Bonus Ball have over 40 players on the pay roll when they could do the same thing with 16? I can't answer this question, and I have a feeling their answer would be evasive at best. 'The Game of Business is the Teacher'
I have no desire to get involved with a non profit pro billiards tour in any way, shape or form. This has been unsuccessfully tried for 30 years and it will never work out favorably. The main reason is "too many chiefs and not enough indians" as John McChesney used to say.
Pro Pool needs a REAL business that is dedicated to their share holders - approximately 50% would be owned by the professional players (I'm just throwing out percentages for example only), and the other 50% by the managing/operating body the would also include the investors. The marketing and business would be handled by experienced professionals which may or may not include anyone that plays pool.
Starting out with 32 players is not prudent, like it's immediately detrimental to over staff a business. In the business world you never hire more people than you can pay, so this establishes your pay roll, then you build according to how the business performs. Generating a business plan with a proforma, profit/loss projections, balance sheet (etc.), and mission statement would be generated before "day 1" of the business is announced.
This is basic business fundamentals and something that Pro Pool has not been exposed to. Why would Bonus Ball have over 40 players on the pay roll when they could do the same thing with 16? I can't answer this question, and I have a feeling their answer would be evasive at best. 'The Game of Business is the Teacher'
aye caramba!
It can change, and not without charity events and character building
Gambling will create an emotional attachment, but not as an anchor. The game's not an anchor, the gambling's not, the rules aren't it's the players that are.
If Tiger Woods suddenly played pool the game would get a sudden impact of millions of viewers because of the person, not the game. Same thing if any professional superstar played the game, so we have to make these stars ourselves, much like Minnisota Fats, Paul Newman and Tom Cruise did.
When I was playing full time we did many charity events and I even played at the Pre Academy Awards party in LA hosted by Jody Foster and John Travolta. I was around a hundred or so movie and TV stars and many of them watched me play on the pool table. They had cues worth over 80k there on display and it was a fantastic promotional event for pool and the pool cues to celebrities.
How many charity events are currently being done before each Pro event? How many were just done at the US OPEN? How about any of them? The easiest way to get something in front of the public eye (in a great context) is through charity events.....and breast cancer would be the ideal one, it gets the biggest media exposure of any last time I checked (I did big charity events out of my billiard club, Carsons Palace in Dallas).
Anyway, without building recognizable characters in pool by presenting them to the public there's no hope for pool as a whole.....this can change quickly, but not without charity events and character building......never has, and never will.
It DOES NOT matter which pool game or how much the players are playing for.....a million dollar game would have no impact, it would be like the tree falling in the forest with no one around.....does it really make a sound? Neither will Pro Pool without a strong marketing/PR plan of attack. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Gambling will create an emotional attachment, but not as an anchor. The game's not an anchor, the gambling's not, the rules aren't it's the players that are.
If Tiger Woods suddenly played pool the game would get a sudden impact of millions of viewers because of the person, not the game. Same thing if any professional superstar played the game, so we have to make these stars ourselves, much like Minnisota Fats, Paul Newman and Tom Cruise did.
When I was playing full time we did many charity events and I even played at the Pre Academy Awards party in LA hosted by Jody Foster and John Travolta. I was around a hundred or so movie and TV stars and many of them watched me play on the pool table. They had cues worth over 80k there on display and it was a fantastic promotional event for pool and the pool cues to celebrities.
How many charity events are currently being done before each Pro event? How many were just done at the US OPEN? How about any of them? The easiest way to get something in front of the public eye (in a great context) is through charity events.....and breast cancer would be the ideal one, it gets the biggest media exposure of any last time I checked (I did big charity events out of my billiard club, Carsons Palace in Dallas).
Anyway, without building recognizable characters in pool by presenting them to the public there's no hope for pool as a whole.....this can change quickly, but not without charity events and character building......never has, and never will.
It DOES NOT matter which pool game or how much the players are playing for.....a million dollar game would have no impact, it would be like the tree falling in the forest with no one around.....does it really make a sound? Neither will Pro Pool without a strong marketing/PR plan of attack. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I may be easy, but I am not cheap.
my $1.00, can get me FAAARRRRR, in this economy....
....perhaps we should run TAR & bet on pushups?
I almost feel bad that you truly believe this.
The biggest obstacle facing Pro Pool and our nation in general is everyone wanting to know "what's in it for me".
"ask not what pool can do for you, but ask what can you do for pool" ~bigtruck (it's an original too) :shocked:
Ray
"the pm is the teacher"
exactly - it's called BRANDING....
covered by the original Private Placement Memorandum or whatever document chosen
This should be laid out specifically before the business ever raises{or spends} a cent.
This is not an obstacle in the business world, it's covered by the proform in the original Private Placement Memorandum or whatever instrument/document your associates choose. You must decide what your profit centers will be, how to stimulate them and, of course, how the compensation will be divided according to performance or salary.
Pro Pool has not tried a legitimate business plan with the components that we all use to operate and manage companies or corporations. It's no great mystery why there's been no success, this would be true with anything that followed in the footsteps of professional pool.
Is there any exception to what I'm saying? The answer, of course, is "NO".....and everyone knows it, but people argue about "what's wrong with pool"....it's very odd.
This should be laid out specifically before the business ever raises{or spends} a cent.
This is not an obstacle in the business world, it's covered by the proform in the original Private Placement Memorandum or whatever instrument/document your associates choose. You must decide what your profit centers will be, how to stimulate them and, of course, how the compensation will be divided according to performance or salary.
Pro Pool has not tried a legitimate business plan with the components that we all use to operate and manage companies or corporations. It's no great mystery why there's been no success, this would be true with anything that followed in the footsteps of professional pool.
Is there any exception to what I'm saying? The answer, of course, is "NO".....and everyone knows it, but people argue about "what's wrong with pool"....it's very odd.
Much wisdom in the above. And it's not just the pool world that employs the fatal flaws therein. It's so easy to allow emotion and circumstance to displace biz 101.
If GOOGLE would have pursued it's business like Pro Pool
Yes, I'm so glad no one from other sports sees this forum it would be embarassing to hear their remarks after they knew the real facts.
Pro Pool has failed for the same reason no one wins a match that never plays in a tournament. You have to get in the Game to ever have a chance for success. It's not like pool has been "shot down" by anyone, the fact is it's never been presented or pursued in a manner that would ever get a positive response.
If GOOGLE would have pursued it's business operations and management like Pro Pool has {in the last 13 years} it would be a failure too (sad, but true)....."you won't succeed in today's business world when you don't know how to play the business Game" - "Having no business plan is a plan....it's a plan for failure" - 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, I'm so glad no one from other sports sees this forum it would be embarassing to hear their remarks after they knew the real facts.
Pro Pool has failed for the same reason no one wins a match that never plays in a tournament. You have to get in the Game to ever have a chance for success. It's not like pool has been "shot down" by anyone, the fact is it's never been presented or pursued in a manner that would ever get a positive response.
If GOOGLE would have pursued it's business operations and management like Pro Pool has {in the last 13 years} it would be a failure too (sad, but true)....."you won't succeed in today's business world when you don't know how to play the business Game" - "Having no business plan is a plan....it's a plan for failure" - 'The Game is the Teacher'
in pool they use a different type of "Branding"
That's exactly right, however, in pool.............ooch
That's exactly right, however, in pool.............ooch
chris bartram if your ok with that lmk....let me make a call and ill set a date on second season start