Brand of cues used to win the most tournament wins!

garczar said:
From '76 to early-mid '90's Meucci cues were in the hands of more winners than all the rest combined. Buddy,Earl,Rempe,Sigel,Howard,Matlock,Efren and the list goes on.
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Louie Roberts, Larry Hubbard, Breedlove. Yes the list goes on and on.

I would agree Meucci because now the players cues are spread out among a lot of different cuemakers.

Maybe if you wanted to get picky and say - Predator shafts - cause that was the first, if not one of the first, non deflection shafts - that everyone used on whatever cue maker butt they were using. That might beat out Meucci.
 
Custom cuemaker, Rambow and Balabushka. I don't think that you could count the number of Rambow wins, from the late 1910's through the early 60's if you wanted to in BILLIARDS as well as pocket billiards.

Then it was easily Balabushka, hands down.

Again this is custom cue's. No one got paid to play with either cue and it has been said that even pro's PAID for Balabushka's. There were no freebies and George didn't need to give his cues away.

You should give consideration to the number of pro's that were GIVEN cues, and / or had professional sponsorship. It's hard to beat a weekly paycheck and free equipment.

JV
 
BRussell said:
Or, another issue, if they get free cues: They might use an off-the-shelf cue but in some cases I suspect they get essentially custom-made cues, or perhaps very top-of-the-line, but in either case very different from what the typical customer gets. So how does that play into the question?
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I don't care WHO makes cues! Rambow or Joe Blow! Eventually, if you go through enough of them you will find one that plays well. I have played with Taiwan cues that played DAMN WELL and were CHEAPER than Efren's $12 custom cue from the Philippines. I'm sure Earl didn't just grab one and put it in his playing lineup. I've heard that he had tons of shafts and would give them away if he hit a ball with one and didn't like it.
 
poolguy4u said:
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Earl won more with Meucci than his Cuetec.

He really didn't like Cuetec.

And before Allison came into the picture, there

was Loree Jon with her Meucci........She didn't win

many but won a few.



Schon? Don't know anyone that wins with a Schon.
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Yes i was in a poolroom with Earl and he clearly stated his cuetec cue had cost him alot of money. Said he hated it! Funny guy
 
I say Schon

Typically at the local pool halls I see more Schon cues in the hands of the better players than just about any other cue. Not so many Meucci's these days.

If we limited the discussion to only pro events, then probably a toss up between Meucci and Schon over the last few decades.
 
Joss cues where probably used in more wins than Shon cues. Rempe, Varner and The Kaiser all used them. Archer used a Schon, not sure what he won with it though.

I doubt many non-sponsor cues were used to win tournaments.
 
Cuetec:

Strickland, Fisher, SVB...That's a lot of wins right there! It is weird how anybody could win, especially with the early models from Cuetec. At the time I thought they were the most awful cues ever made (which I later found out not to be true). The current Cuetec R-360 is an awesome shaft however. Not just for a Cuetec, but for any cue. After having tried one recently I would recommend it to anyone looking for a reasonably priced performance cue.

Historically Meucci might be the cue with the most wins, but it still doesn't make it a cue I'd recommend to anyone. They are so inconsistent that if someone tells me he plays with a Meucci there is no way to know how the cue plays. It could play like a million dollars or like the worst piece of crap in history, or anything in between the two. The only thing you could really know is that the shaft is flexible.
 
Ken_4fun said:
All -

I used to go to the Main, For Sale and Gallery sections but now because the For Sale section is such a maze I spend most of my time in the "Gallery" section.

Anyway, there was a statement made in the Gallery Section that Schon cues have won the most tournaments. I assume that the poster meant "Pro" level. I thought it was an interesting question.

Here are my thoughts...

Between Allison Fisher and Earl Strickland (both were sponsored by Cue-Tec), I would suggest that more were won with Cue-Tec than any other cue.

Second IMO, would be Meucci. Hell they had all the pros in their stable for one time or another.

Johnny Archer was sponsored by Schon for YEARS. He won plenty of tournaments, but I would guess less than 1/2 what Allison and Earl won with Cue-Tec. I think Allison might have won EVERY event one year.

JMO

Ken

What do you guys think?
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I'd add Joss Ltd to the list considering Sigel and Varner for all those years playing with Joss cues.

Meucci / Cuetec / Joss... then something old school. Balabushka or Palmer.

Freddie
 
hang-the-9 said:
Joss cues where probably used in more wins than Shon cues. Rempe, Varner and The Kaiser all used them. Archer used a Schon, not sure what he won with it though.

I doubt many non-sponsor cues were used to win tournaments.
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I think many of SVB's early wins involved a Joss.
And I think Mike Zuglan still uses his '73 Joss....he's beaten everybody in the galaxy at
least once with it.
 
^^I thought I heard someone mention that it was a Schon cue with a Joss shaft or something like that (couldn't be the other way around), and that he played with the same Joss shaft for some time even after getting sponsored by Cuetec. I could be misremembering that though.
 
Baron said:
^^I thought I heard someone mention that it was a Schon cue with a Joss shaft or something like that (couldn't be the other way around), and that he played with the same Joss shaft for some time even after getting sponsored by Cuetec. I could be misremembering that though.
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Yeah, that's why I used the word 'involved'.....I couldn't remember which part. :)
Myself, I use a '68 and an '86 Joss....just in case I get dyslexia.
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Cues

Ken_4fun said:
All -

I used to go to the Main, For Sale and Gallery sections but now because the For Sale section is such a maze I spend most of my time in the "Gallery" section.

Anyway, there was a statement made in the Gallery Section that Schon cues have won the most tournaments. I assume that the poster meant "Pro" level. I thought it was an interesting question.

Here are my thoughts...

Between Allison Fisher and Earl Strickland (both were sponsored by Cue-Tec), I would suggest that more were won with Cue-Tec than any other cue.

Second IMO, would be Meucci. Hell they had all the pros in their stable for one time or another.

Johnny Archer was sponsored by Schon for YEARS. He won plenty of tournaments, but I would guess less than 1/2 what Allison and Earl won with Cue-Tec. I think Allison might have won EVERY event one year.

JMO

Ken

What do you guys think?
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I could be wrong, but when Earl broke his shaft in Germany I believe.
I do not think that was a off the shelf CueTec shaft .

And I do not believe it was 13mm at the tip.

But anyone to win a championship with a Cue Tec cue is one hell of a shooter which EARL is.
 
Baron said:
^^I thought I heard someone mention that it was a Schon cue with a Joss shaft or something like that (couldn't be the other way around), and that he played with the same Joss shaft for some time even after getting sponsored by Cuetec. I could be misremembering that though.
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For many years, Shane used an old Joss that was given to him by Mike Segal that had his name in the points. He later played with his Mom's Schon butt w/the same Joss shaft he was using prior to switching out the butt. He played for a short time w/a Diveney (I think) and maybe switched back to the Schon/Joss before Cuetec sponsored him.

Dave
 
I was sponsored by "house cue". You'd be surprised how many people played with them after they saw me. I think the best pool I ever played in my life was with a house cue...especially the one I "doctored" up.

I don't think cues win anything...except maybe the awards for best-looking cue. It would be interesting to have all the pros throw their cues in a "blind" pile and see what cue come out "best" after letting them play with each and every one for a while.

How many do you think would pick Efren's $12 cue over Earl's $39.95 Cuetec?
 
HawaiianEye said:
I was sponsored by "house cue". You'd be surprised how many people played with them after they saw me. I think the best pool I ever played in my life was with a house cue...especially the one I "doctored" up.

I don't think cues win anything...except maybe the awards for best-looking cue. It would be interesting to have all the pros throw their cues in a "blind" pile and see what cue come out "best" after letting them play with each and every one for a while.

How many do you think would pick Efren's $12 cue over Earl's $39.95 Cuetec?
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Bugs Rucker only played with a house cue. One of the all-time, without a doubt, best bankers that ever lived. Heck, some folks would even give him a cue to use, he'd win the cash, they would tell him to keep the cue, but he'd just sell it the next week for cash, cause he would just shoot with the house cue anyways. Someone giving him a cue was like a "tip" to Bugs, and he would spend it like one too ;)
 
gmoney1 said:
Yes i was in a poolroom with Earl and he clearly stated his cuetec cue had cost him alot of money. Said he hated it! Funny guy
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a. Earl accepted sponsorship with Cuetec and played with their cues.

b. Earl probably could have accepted another cuemaker's sponsorship and played with their cues.

c. Earl could have rejected any cue sponsorship and played with exactly the cue that he felt was best for his game.

Which do you suppose was in Earl's best overall financial interest for that period of years -- a, b, or c?

Obviously, the answer to this is unknowable. But do you think Earl really believes the answer was b or c? Does anyone else?
 
AtLarge said:
a. Earl accepted sponsorship with Cuetec and played with their cues.

b. Earl probably could have accepted another cuemaker's sponsorship and played with their cues.

c. Earl could have rejected any cue sponsorship and played with exactly the cue that he felt was best for his game.

Which do you suppose was in Earl's best overall financial interest for that period of years -- a, b, or c?

Obviously, the answer to this is unknowable. But do you think Earl really believes the answer was b or c? Does anyone else?
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d. Earl ran 11 racks in a row with his cheapazz Cuetec to win $1,000,000. Has he ever ran more than 11 racks in a row in another tournament with a "better" cue? Maybe he'd still be running racks if he had a "good" cue.
 
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