Break & Run 15 Balls on BB?

Johnnyt said:
On a BB with 4 1/2" pockets. Break and try to run out. Any order and BIH after the break. Play 10 racks.

What do you all feel is a average % of RO's for a "A" player= 8/10, for a "B" player 5-6/10, for a "C" player 2- 3/10, for a "D" player 0-1/10.

Does this sound about right? Johnnyt
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You are a lot closer than Cleary is. I know a lot of A and B players that break like C players. I still think you are high Johnny. We have 10 ball around here, it's also called Bowliards in other parts of the country, and C and D players can not run 10 balls off in any order. 5 more balls, would cluster more, especially the way they break.

And B players are limited in knowing how to break up clusters, some they can and some they can't.

With 15 balls, A player 7/10, B player 3/10, C player 1/10, D player 0/10.
 
The break is a big factor, also the next problem is when you have less than 4 balls left. Usually these will be harder shots or a cluster with tough postition. When you have 15 balls to shoot at it's easy, but I don't think any D players are getting out.
 
Cleary my man, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I don't think you're giving the drill enough credit. On a barbox, there tend to be more clusters and trouble balls than a 9 footer. With that said, if you can't break out the 2-4 balls that usually get tied up each rack, your run is over.

Also, since it's a barbox and there are 15 balls, traffic is an issue. If you get even a half inch out of line on a shot, it could mean the difference between straight in and snookered.

I suggest you find a barbox and give this a dry run. Do 10 racks with ball in hand and let us know your score. I think you'll earn a new respect for the drill. :)
 
How many balls in total for the 10 racks would you expect each level to get?

A-125
B-100
c-65
d-30

I'm thinking those are probably high for the B and C.

Bob
 
9BallMarksman said:
Cleary my man, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I don't think you're giving the drill enough credit. On a barbox, there tend to be more clusters and trouble balls than a 9 footer. With that said, if you can't break out the 2-4 balls that usually get tied up each rack, your run is over.

Also, since it's a barbox and there are 15 balls, traffic is an issue. If you get even a half inch out of line on a shot, it could mean the difference between straight in and snookered.

I suggest you find a barbox and give this a dry run. Do 10 racks with ball in hand and let us know your score. I think you'll earn a new respect for the drill. :)
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I'll certainly give it a try if I ever get to a barbox.
 
Barbox or fullsize table.... does NOT matter for C or D player. D won't run 1 out of 10. C MIGHT run 1 out of 10.

Most APA league players are C players. See if they can do this.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Barbox or fullsize table.... does NOT matter for C or D player. D won't run 1 out of 10. C MIGHT run 1 out of 10.

Most APA league players are C players. See if they can do this.
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I'm considered a D+ in NYC and I'll bet in 10 tries I get out at least once.
 
Maybe I can take my camera and give this a try and post the results, I would be considered a B player I am guessing so I expect to at least make 100 out of 150 balls but we shall see. :smile:
 
I just did 5 racks with the Ridgeback rails on. I'll do 5 racks more later with the standard Valley rails on.
**Ridgebacks**
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Rack #1= RO/15 balls
#2= RO/15 balls
#3= /4 balls
#4= /6 balls
#5= RO/15 balls
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5 racks= 3 RO's 55 ball total

Johnnyt
 
Fast Lenny said:
Maybe I can take my camera and give this a try and post the results, I would be considered a B player I am guessing so I expect to at least make 100 out of 150 balls but we shall see. :smile:
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Thank you Lenny. We know about your speed here on AZ so this will be a good test. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I just did 5 racks with the Ridgeback rails on. I'll do 5 racks more later with the standard Valley rails on.
**Ridgebacks**
***********
Rack #1= RO/15 balls
#2= RO/15 balls
#3= /4 balls
#4= /6 balls
#5= RO/15 balls
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5 racks= 3 RO's 55 ball total

Johnnyt
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That's more like what I'd expect from a decent player, Johnny. 3 out of 5 racks.

-Andrew
 
Rack #6=15---#7=7---#8=6---#9=15----#10=15=total of 58 balls last 5 rack and 55 for 1st 5 racks=for 10 racks 113 balls. Johnnyt

PS:Same rails...too lazy to change today. Wife has me putting up Haloween crap for the doorbell ringing little monsters. But the young mothers are nice to look at and think dirty old man thoughts:D.
 
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Just tried this drill and realized I have serious focus problems! First rack I ran out, next rack I ran 7 and then missed. Took a short break, settled back in, ran the next rack out. Fourth rack, ran 6 and then missed. Got serious again and ran out the fifth rack. I realized I was going back and forth between running out and not running out so I tried to stay focused for the 6th rack and I ran 10 and then missed.

Bleh, I'm a freakin see-saw!
 
Johnnyt said:
On a BB with 4 1/2" pockets. Break and try to run out. Any order and BIH after the break. Play 10 racks.

What do you all feel is a average % of RO's for a "A" player= 8/10, for a "B" player 5-6/10, for a "C" player 2- 3/10, for a "D" player 0-1/10.

Does this sound about right? Johnnyt
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I haven't read all of the replys, but an "A" should run more than 8/10. Pros should run in the high 90 percentile range.
 
jason said:
I haven't read all of the replys, but an "A" should run more than 8/10. Pros should run in the high 90 percentile range.
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I agree, if a pro is only running 8 racks doing this I'd be willing to bet that in an event filled with only pros that they would be considered a "soft draw". Running 15 balls on a barbox in any order AND having ball in hand after the break is a huge advantage.
 
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