Break Stats -- Accu-Stats "Make It Happen" 8-Ball Invitational, November 2014

Thanks for the stats AtLarge!

That's about 10% better break & run average than the top 10 at the IPT events. I'd guess, that the ball off the break average is about 7% higher too at this event.
 
pt109 said:
For anybody wondering where all Earl's Open and World titles came from....
....when he made a ball on the break and did not foul.....
...he ran out 100%.....13 times out of 13.....and well past his prime.

Earl may have another title in him
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Earl played great in his two matches that I watched:

• He won 10-6 against Immonen. Earl scratched on his first break, then broke and ran all 7 of his other breaks. He missed 4 shots in games where Immonen broke.

• He lost 9-10 against Bustamante. This was the match that could have given Earl a 4-1 record and put him in a playoff with Appleton if SVB were to win his upcoming match against Appleton. Earl's downfall in this match was 4 dry breaks out of 10 (6 B&R's on his other 6 breraks). But Earl missed only 2 shots to Busty's 5 misses, and the match was tied at 3, 6, 7, 8, and 9. In the final game, Earl broke dry but left no shot, as the CB rolled up against the 6-ball near the head rail. Busty played safe, parking the CB on the head rail. Earl tried kicking off the side rail into a combo pointed at the head-rail pocket under him, but it wasn't close. I think Earl did have a decent safety available, but he botched a safety 3 games earlier and this time went for the gusto. Busty ran out for the match win.
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
... There were winning streaks in just about all of the 15 matches played.

This weren't no break and run fest like many might have predicted. Daz had a 7-game streak against Bustie as well as against Mika, and that after he was down 4-0. To me it shows that, even at the highest level, alternate break works for 8-ball.
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I just went back and checked on this aspect of the matches for the CSI Invitational 8-Ball Championship in July. 15 of those 27 matches were streamed, so I looked at all 30 sides in those 15 matches. These matches were races to 9, except for 11 in the finals. Here is the distribution of highest number of games won in a row by each player from those 15 matches:

Just 1 game -- 5 times​
2 wins in a row -- 3 times​
3 wins in a row -- 8 times​
4 wins in a row -- 6 times​
5 wins in a row -- 6 times​
6 wins in a row -- 1 time​
7 wins in a row -- 1 time​

High win streaks in an alternate-break format would be expected if an event involved a lot of matches of strong players against weak players. But this event was all strong players (16 of the best).
 
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I was texting a buddy so I actually have a record of that game (versus SVB). Leading 8-5, Earl made 6 balls on the break and was running out until he half-snookered himself. I think it was on his last object ball before the 8-ball. So Earl being Earl, he complained and then shot a half-masse to make the ball and get out.

Gideon<---Okay, I don't actually have a note of Earl complaining about it, but I think it is pretty good bet.
 
I have to say when Earl turned to the crowd and said I haven't broke this good in 30 years or something close... I felt like a proud pappa knowing I had taken the rack back out of front and center.....
 
The Renfro said:
I have to say when Earl turned to the crowd and said I haven't broke this good in 30 years or something close... I felt like a proud pappa knowing I had taken the rack back out of front and center.....
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Your rack worked great, Chris. Balls rolled off the back row a few times after the ref thought he had them all in place, but that was of no consequence.
 
don't know what the stats were of other players

but after my break when made a ball and didn't foul i run out 29 times from 34 breaks

my break and runs stats each match were

busta 7/10 scratch twice and one mistake.
alex 6/9 scratch twice and once dry
mika 5/8 one scratch 2 mistakes
earl 5/8 scratch once dry once one mistake
shane 6/9 2 dry one mistake.
 
dynamite said:
don't know what the stats were of other players

but after my break when made a ball and didn't foul i run out 29 times from 34 breaks

my break and runs stats each match were

busta 7/10 scratch twice and one mistake.
alex 6/9 scratch twice and once dry
mika 5/8 one scratch 2 mistakes
earl 5/8 scratch once dry once one mistake
shane 6/9 2 dry one mistake.
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Congrats on your fine play and your win, Darren.

I'm impressed that you actually have those stats regarding your matches. Were they provided to each player by Accu-Stats, or someone else, or do you keep them yourself?

I was able to watch only 2 of your 5 matches -- the ones with Mika and Shane. I'm not sure what you you mean by "mistake." But in the Mika match, I agree, one scratch on the break and two missed shots, both in games where you had a successful break. In the Shane match, you had one miss in Game 7 on your own break (3-ball to a side pocket), but you won the game when Shane missed the 8-ball. In Game 8, on Shane's break, you had two innings at the table and both ended with misses on the 3-ball -- kicking at it on the first one and 2-rail banking it on the second one. After that, perfect play other than the dry break in the last game, which you won after Shane missed the 5-ball.

Good luck in England!
 
myself... i mean mistake after successful break.. like i said i run 29/34 successful breaks..

although i played well against shane and mika those two were my two worse matches.. other 3 i played better.

thanks pal
 
So is it safe to say for tv purposes, eight ball is the way to go. The matches are an endless display of skill and offense. With safeties limited, the action flows. These statistics prove it. I would be curious to see how professional eight ball would hold up on American television. This tournament was absolutely exciting.

Also on a side note, I think of earl didn't scratch on that kick at the two for the last rack against Bustamante, he might have left a decent safe. But not only did he scratch but the two ran around the table and knocked out the only other cluster of stripes, giving busty an open table.
 
dynamite said:
myself... i mean mistake after successful break.. like i said i run 29/34 successful breaks..

although i played well against shane and mika those two were my two worse matches.. other 3 i played better.

thanks pal
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That's awesome. Darren keeping his own break stats to presumably learn from them and work on his game accordingly should tell you everything you need to know about the mindset of a champion player, and how he treats training and preparation for his sport.Congrats again on a great event Darren.
 
dynamite said:
myself... i mean mistake after successful break.. like i said i run 29/34 successful breaks..

although i played well against shane and mika those two were my two worse matches.. other 3 i played better.

thanks pal
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I think you mean break and run on 29 of 44 breaks (not 34). Essentially 2 out of every 3 -- super!
 
i meant broke and ran 29 from 34 successful breaks like i said.. :-).. others rather scratched or dry...

yes i like to analyze my matches and see what i did good and bad... :-)
 
AtLarge said:
Your rack worked great, Chris. Balls rolled off the back row a few times after the ref thought he had them all in place, but that was of no consequence.
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Couldn't convince Cosmo that he needed to push them forward to lock them in...

Since they were a brand new set of Duramith Tournament balls they froze up without the push forward most of the time so he didn't want to do it... The slots are designed to load to the back of the rack and the back edges of the slots and then be pushed forward to settle in frozen..... There were 3 times I saw that happen out of 258..

We also had 3 out of 258 where the 8 and the ball behind it stayed on the rack but in slo mo replay those happened when the cueball was airborne in contact and got a glancing and not a full blow... I ran the replays over and over on those 3 looking at the ball paths and if Cosmo left something loose I couldn't replicate it or identify it so I am assuming it was the airborne cueball.....

Chris
 
dynamite said:
i meant broke and ran 29 from 34 successful breaks like i said.. :-).. others rather scratched or dry...

yes i like to analyze my matches and see what i did good and bad... :-)
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Aha -- 29 of 44 (66%) on total breaks and 29 of 34 (85%) on successful breaks (made at least one ball and didn't foul). Great results in both categories.

And I'm glad to hear you're kind of a stats guy. I've wondered whether any pro pool players make any effort to analyze their own statistical results.

Good luck starting tomorrow in the Masters. Looks like you've got that little snooker player first.:smile:
 
The Renfro said:
Couldn't convince Cosmo that he needed to push them forward to lock them in...

Since they were a brand new set of Duramith Tournament balls they froze up without the push forward most of the time so he didn't want to do it... The slots are designed to load to the back of the rack and the back edges of the slots and then be pushed forward to settle in frozen..... There were 3 times I saw that happen out of 258..

We also had 3 out of 258 where the 8 and the ball behind it stayed on the rack but in slo mo replay those happened when the cueball was airborne in contact and got a glancing and not a full blow... I ran the replays over and over on those 3 looking at the ball paths and if Cosmo left something loose I couldn't replicate it or identify it so I am assuming it was the airborne cueball.....

Chris
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Thanks for the explanation, Chris.

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