Buffalo's Pro Classic 2025

I think unfortunately, calcuttas are some of the finest bets a gambler can get. Low risk to return compared to other bets pulls in outside gamblers and I suspect the top calcutta buyers couldn't run a rack any time in their lives.

obviously, pool players can't buy half of tens of thousands of dollars. If they could that is what entry fees would be to begin with. The players are left with the old school "jelly" but I am left wondering if they are getting much in the way of jelly. These calcutta buyers are spreading their money out so their risks are low but so are their profits. I doubt that the gamblers are cutting in the pool players for ten percent of the gross, even ten percent of the net on one bet when they are losing on other bets. How about their pro ball, poker, the horses, and other bets? Most even moderately smart gamblers are keeping up with their bets everywhere. Are they paying a voluntary jelly when they are in the red other places? Is the jelly anywhere near ten percent when the gamblers' profit percentage is low already?

There are other issues that I don't care to discuss in public too. The calcuttas bring a lot of excitement but I suspect they aren't what they appear to be, at least when these huge calcuttas are involved.

Hu
 
From before, auction, top 12:
46,000 Gorst
46,000 Van Boening
41,000 Filler
29,000 Chohan
28,000 Gomez
26,000 Lunda
18,000 Woodward
16,000 Krause
13,000 Roberts
11,000 Compton
10,000 Pinegar
10,000 Thorpe

Current standings, final four:
SVB plays Sky
winner plays Tony
winner plays Filler, but must beat him twice
(sad to say that with Filler playing, we will not see a 15-hour final -- we cudda had a record)
 
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For $48k you could have had Sky, Roberto, and Devin. Devin only went for 2200 so whoever covered that is up for a nice payday.

In some of these you have to entertain a saver if the calcutta owners are OK with it.
 
Badpenguin said:
The only thing consistent with these is the horrible lack of coherent scheduling. Nothing starts at any advertised time, times are specified in GMT if at all, you have to find random places on the internet between various social platforms to learn anything at all.
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It’s pool not the Olympics.

It’s suppose to run on its own schedule

GMT lololololol sure…….
 
i am not in the jelly school. if they win they get tournament money and whatever they invested in themselves in the calcutta. if they chose not to its on them. i look at the calcutta as a side bet just like a horse bet. or a casino bet. in the calcutta you are basically betting against the other calcutta buyers. betting they are wrong. the players are like the roulette dealer just spinning the wheel for you.
sounds cold but its reality.
 
maha said:
i am not in the jelly school. if they win they get tournament money and whatever they invested in themselves in the calcutta. if they chose not to its on them. i look at the calcutta as a side bet just like a horse bet. or a casino bet. in the calcutta you are basically betting against the other calcutta buyers. betting they are wrong. the players are like the roulette dealer just spinning the wheel for you.
sounds cold but its reality.
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What’s your point here? Great event, draws the best players which is a treat for the viewers, lots of money changing hands for the excitement factor… As a one pocket player and fan I love it. How are you running your tournament?
 
ShootingArts said:
obviously, pool players can't buy half of tens of thousands of dollars. If they could that is what entry fees would be to begin with.
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if the entry fee was that steep it would be a 6 player tournament. and i would think the players/their backers buy in to some %? do you have to buy half? shanes backer is sitting there by shane's matches, he probably didn't travel there just to enjoy the cajun cuisine
 
maha said:
i am not in the jelly school. if they win they get tournament money and whatever they invested in themselves in the calcutta. if they chose not to its on them. i look at the calcutta as a side bet just like a horse bet. or a casino bet. in the calcutta you are basically betting against the other calcutta buyers. betting they are wrong. the players are like the roulette dealer just spinning the wheel for you.
sounds cold but its reality.
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You have a point. Then again, it can perk up a player quite a bit in these long and late night matches to know he is playing for much more than the advertised purse.

There were two wealthy farmers. Not much happening in their small community and they both liked action. They would meet up on a Saturday at the pool hall and select a match-up they were both willing to bet on and bet big. The players might be playing fifty dollars a set while the farmers were betting twenty thousand a set. A player caught on to what was happening and went off to the side with the farmer betting on him. "I play a lot better for two thousand a set than I do for fifty dollars a set." The story may or may not be true and it can be looked at from more than one direction.

If I was planning to give the player jelly I would make sure he knew about it early. There have also been stories of promised jellies that either weren't given or were vastly reduced. Is anybody that doesn't have a regular deal with a player going to hand over ten thousand or thereabouts in jelly? I would be standing there to collect before the winner had long to think about it if I were the player.

Hu
 
sjm said:
If you are known for not paying jelly, players will make deals with each other, compromising your chances. Never mind the ethics, this is how it has always been.
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As one old-timer said " They'll trim you up like a Safeway chicken". Word gets around quik and those who are 'non-jelly'rs' get worked over before long.
 
sjm said:
If you are known for not paying jelly, players will make deals with each other, compromising your chances. Never mind the ethics, this is how it has always been.
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This event looks like it still has many years to run. I might not be thrilled about it but I think if I win a nice chunk I cough up ten percent to the player. The player may hope for more but they can't whine about ten percent. Giving them less might well be remembered next year. Giving the player nothing will definitely be remembered. Ten percent for a top four finish. My opinion only of course.

Hu
 
AtLarge said:
It was a 4 1/3 hour match; it ended at about 3:30 am local time.
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Yeah, that's why I think the two matches that the bracket shows ended both at exactly 7:12 am are suspect.

Players sometimes forget to put in the last game on their phone/tablet, even if they are keeping score themselves, and just walk away. Then when the TD updates the bracket, he puts the last game in. The match time will reflect the time the TD did it.
 
I've been around a lot of Calcuttas in years gone by, and I have never heard of a player dumping because the person who bought them in the Calcutta was not going to give them any so-called "jelly."

I have, on the other hand, heard of players making savers with another player, usually 10 percent. It is generally done between friends, and it is looked upon as helping the other guy with expenses if he loses. Both players still play to their full capacity, but the loser gets the 10 percent saver of the winner comes into the money rounds.

On another note, it is interesting that Ray Hansen has run this event for 10 years strong as well as providing the live stream.

The lawyer, Joe Long, adds to the tournament purse, and he also seems to win the highest Calcutta bids for the name-brand world-beaters. He sponsors players to attend events by covering expenses too. He is a strong supporter of pool.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Yeah, that's why I think the two matches that the bracket shows ended both at exactly 7:12 am are suspect.

Players sometimes forget to put in the last game on their phone/tablet, even if they are keeping score themselves, and just walk away. Then when the TD updates the bracket, he puts the last game in. The match time will reflect the time the TD did it.
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can't control it for you because "only" 9 hours of the match was streamed, but according to the commentators it was 10.40 hours
 
Buffalo's on Bloomfield's Pro One Pocket event will resume at Noon CDT today for the Pro One Pocket Semi Final
Shane VanBoening vs Tony Chohan
Winner plays Josh Filler in the finals.
Tune in to watch these final 3 players battle it for the huge prize money at stake.


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