Build a champion in a month or 2. Is this possible?

I know you have him in intensive training, but wondering if there is ever a break where he can sit on this thread for a few minutes and post his thoughts on wins and losses on the road. I'm sure you talk about the lessons learned, but maybe where he disagrees with you on things such as the energy drinks, whether he was feeling good where you felt he was feeling bad, etc.
Grin. Zack was at this tournament this past weekend. Didn't do so well. But he's full of enthusiasm. He said he did well on the road until he played Ryan. He hooked up with a couple of guys from IA at the tournament and he was going to Chicago area today.
 
It's sad that az is a place we wouldn't recommend to other people. At least not without extensive disclaimers. Has this guy spent much time online already? If he's been on other forums before he may already have developed that thick skin.

it'd be neat to hear his perspective... Maybe he dictates to geno or is sat down in front of a new reply screen with no other posts to distract him. Broadcast only.


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I recommend AZB all the time, even link to it from my site. Just in this particular experiment I felt it's better to keep a young player focused on the game and the lesson he should be learning from his mentor rather than allowing him to go to a place where he can be easily distracted from the tasks at hand.

I agree, maybe hearing a Zack perspective would be good. But we all know that in today's world even if he didn't interact he would still read the reactions and comments and that could mess with his head as well.
 
I agree, maybe hearing a Zack perspective would be good. But we all know that in today's world even if he didn't interact he would still read the reactions and comments and that could mess with his head as well.

I agree -- if I were advising Zack it would be to stay far, far away and NOT to interact on AZ. There is a reason there are nearly zero pro's on here... CJ demonstrates the level of self knowledge you have to have to put "it out there" for discussion. THAT's a level very few reach...
 
Geno, I thought you guys would have hit the road by now. Have plans changed? Is your back feeling better in order to start back up?
 
Need to rest the back for awhile.....

Geno, I thought you guys would have hit the road by now. Have plans changed? Is your back feeling better in order to start back up?

I went to a tourny in Faribault,Mn and probably shouldn't have. The entry was paid about 3 months ago and it is the most favorite tourny that I have.

I got 4th in the 8 ball but was in really bad shape the next day for the nine ball. Right now I'm back in Eau Claire ,Wi licking my wounds.

I feel pretty beat up. I'll be ready to go again within a week. Just need to take care of the back for awhile.

I talked to Zach and he's ready to go again. We'll be heading south towards the Derby. Need to get him some good workouts until then.

In the mean time I can catch up on a bunch of lessons right here in Eau Claire and the surrounding area.

Then it's back on the road again...........

2 men a van and the road........
 
JoeyA...Nobody has been "muzzled" by the moderators. Some of Gene's posts are still full of BS, but the fact that those of us who may not agree with some of Gene's 'philosphy' choose not to belabor it, doesn't mean anyone has been told to "cut it out". Nobody has... Still, overall it's an interesting thread to read, and I've enjoyed most of it as much as everyone else!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

It is sad, but to the moderators' credit, some of the ad hominem attackers have been muzzled.
 
JoeyA...Nobody has been "muzzled" by the moderators. Some of Gene's posts are still full of BS, but the fact that those of us who may not agree with some of Gene's 'philosphy' choose not to belabor it, doesn't mean anyone has been told to "cut it out". Nobody has... Still, overall it's an interesting thread to read, and I've enjoyed most of it as much as everyone else!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com


Winna, winna. Chicken dinna :-o (muzzle-free emoticon)

Lou Figueroa
 
JoeyA...Nobody has been "muzzled" by the moderators. Some of Gene's posts are still full of BS, but the fact that those of us who may not agree with some of Gene's 'philosphy' choose not to belabor it, doesn't mean anyone has been told to "cut it out". Nobody has... Still, overall it's an interesting thread to read, and I've enjoyed most of it as much as everyone else!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

That's too bad Scott, if you haven't noticed that the boys are playing nice then you just haven't been paying attention.

BTW, which posts of Gene's do you think are "still full of BS"?
 
Been keeping pretty busy here in Eau Claire trying to rehab this back.

Been doing 2 lessons per day pretty steady here in Eau Claire.

My last one here was a guy named Tim Mosey. He's been around the Twin Cities and various parts of Wisconsin and is now living in Eau Claire area.

He used to do alot of plumbing and electical work with his family many years back. when I told him that the people that were going to do some plumbing and electrical work for my mother he said he'd take a look. He could save her some money.

Well he did. Instead of $1400:shocked2: Tim got the job done for about $550. That was with materials.:happydance:

It was done very professionally also.

Between the work on moms house and playing pool with Tim we have become pretty good friends.

During the holidays I have done about 14 Perfect Aim lessons and Tim even went with me to Rice Lake. He played in a small tourny while I did 2 lessons.

He could see the look of amazement on the faces of the 2 players that I taught. He knows both of them really well.

At that point Tim said that as soon as he can he wants to get a perfect Aim lesson.

Today I had some time so I called up Tim and asked him if he had a little free time I would teach him Perfect Aim. He was all over that for sure.

I met him at the Happy Hollow in Eau Claire. Within minutes he was understanding how it worked but it took about an hour for him to truely see how much this was going to help his overall game.

After his league there was a ring game. It was cheap and there were 5 to 6 players in it all the time. I could see that Tim was applying everything I showed him on almost every shot.

When he would miss I would tell him why and he understood clearly what he had to do to correct it.

This is the first time I have been able to work with a player in the heat of the battle and help him see what was going on.

I feel very fortunate that I had something like Perfect Aim to give back to Tim for what he did for my mother.

When my mother wrote the check for the work she smiled from ear to ear.
Tim really save the day at Moms.

After the night was over and the Happy Hollow was closing Tim came up to me and said a big thank you for showing him how to make his pool game better.

He told me that now he understands why so many players are so estatic about what I teach. Now when I get down on the shot it actually looks good.

That was where it ended for the night and we parted ways.

I felt pretty blessed to be able to share something like perfect Aim with Tim for the generous work he did at Moms.

Can't wait to get back on the road. Teaching and playing again.:yeah: This last trip was 9 months solid.

I think I almost feel more at home on the road than I do back home.

2 men a van and the road again real soon...........
 
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JoeyA...Nobody has been "muzzled" by the moderators. Some of Gene's posts are still full of BS, but the fact that those of us who may not agree with some of Gene's 'philosphy' choose not to belabor it, doesn't mean anyone has been told to "cut it out". Nobody has... Still, overall it's an interesting thread to read, and I've enjoyed most of it as much as everyone else!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

under your name it should say master douchebag instead of master instructor. you might be the most arrogant ***** on this site. your snide comments are growing old scott. there is an old saying " better to keep quite and be thought of a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." this applies to you.
 
I strongly agree with Joey

Posting on AZB for a young guy who isn't already involved with a forum like this and who has already been sliced and diced in the forums is not a good idea. Having Zack post on this forum would most likely be the worst thing he and Gene could do. Gene's developed a thick skin over the years and puts up with a lot of BS because he knows that those that give him hell are just trying to have their moment in the sun. A young guy would be more apt to give back some of what he is getting.

I strongly agree with Joey....it would be like throwing a sheep to the wolves if you're not careful. 100% needs to go to his pool goals and outcome, getting sidetracked on this Forum would only hurt his chances. imo
 
Interesting thread for sure.

I hear a lot of talk about how much this young man Zach likes to compete (he's not a kid by the way). I haven't heard a single word about how much he likes to practice.

On it's surface, what I'm getting out of this thread is Geno thinks he can turn a good player into a champion by having him out there gambling and playing tournaments as much as possible. What I really think Geno is doing is teaching a player two things: how to match up, and how to feel comfortable playing your game under pressure. That's fine and dandy, but all I think that does is teach a guy how to be a decent money player.

A decent money player and a champion are two completely different things in my book.

If you were really serious about turning this guy into a champion, I think this thread would quickly become a lot more boring. For instance, we would hear about how the kid was getting up early, getting some exercise, eating breakfast, and then hitting the practice table for probably about 5 hours. Then taking a break, and maybe practicing for a couple more hours. Possibly lining up a couple of matches throughout the week just to keep his focus. Then maybe planning one or two tournaments a month to test his progress.

Do this for a couple of years and you may have something on your hands. But that wouldn't be nearly as exciting to read about as someone that is out gambling every night.

Just one banger's opinion.
 
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JoeyA...Nobody has been "muzzled" by the moderators. Some of Gene's posts are still full of BS, but the fact that those of us who may not agree with some of Gene's 'philosphy' choose not to belabor it, doesn't mean anyone has been told to "cut it out". Nobody has... Still, overall it's an interesting thread to read, and I've enjoyed most of it as much as everyone else!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

This is a little uncalled for.
 
Your thoughts here have merit........

Interesting thread for sure.

I hear a lot of talk about how much this young man Zack likes to compete (he's not a kid by the way). I haven't heard a single word about how much he likes to practice.

On it's surface, what I'm getting out of this thread is Geno thinks he can turn a good player into a champion by having him out there gambling and playing tournaments as much as possible. What I really think Geno is doing is teaching a player two things: how to match up, and how to feel comfortable playing your game under pressure. That's fine and dandy, but all I think that does is teach a guy how to be a decent money player.

A decent money player and a champion are two completely different things in my book.

If you were really serious about turning this guy into a champion, I think this thread would quickly become a lot more boring. For instance, we would hear about how the kid was getting up early, getting some excercise, eating breakfast, and then hitting the practice table for probably about 5 hours. Then taking a break, and maybe practicing for a couple more hours. Possibly lining up a couple of matches throughout the week just to keep his focus. Then maybe planning one or two tournaments a month to test his progress.

Do this for a couple of years and you may have something on your hands. But that wouldn't be nearly as exciting to read about as someone that is out gambling every night.

Just one banger's opinion.

Hi there and I really liked your insight here and thoughts.

Zach is 23 years old. To me that's a kid. To others that might be getting old. When your just about ready like I am to turn the corner to 60 everyone looks like a kid. Bottom line is he has a long time to play pool yet and the best is yet to come.

Zach does do drills. In fact when he goes to play someone he likes to get there early and do some of his drills to get warmed up.

I never was one to do too many drills. If I missed a shot in a match or gambling I would practice it for hours. This turned into one of my drill shots. I had my own personal set of drills that I do from time to time.

This Zach is a race horse. He likes to gamble and was already doing this before we met. Many of the great players out there gambled whenever they could to keep their game sharp and to make some money. The gambling part has gotten so much tougher than it was years back. Players play much better and they are allot smarter when they match up.

Many of the pros don't gamble much because they can't get a game. And sometimes it just doesn't make much sense to bang heads with someone for hours in an evenly matched game.

I guess you could say what I'm trying to do with Zach is just have some fun. While having this fun, learn some valuable lessons. He is young and has made many mistakes matching up and playing in the past and will probably make many more. I just want to help him learn how to put the odds a little in his favor.

Zach needs to learn how to bite, scratch and kick everytime he walks to the table whether it be tournament, money game or practice. When the eyes fix on that table the bell goes off and the fight is on. This is what he needs to learn. The road holds all these secrets to becoming a dominant player.

If you continue to make the same mistakes the road will chew you up and spit you out in little pieces. If you can learn to tame this monster you can handle so many different situations.

And we are squeezing in some exercise. Eating, exercise and sleeping are all so important for any player.

I have to agree though. It would be pretty boring for anyone to just do drills for 5 hours everyday.

Got to have some fun.

For me the road is fun. It's life in the pool world.

I can speak for Zach also. He would rather be on the road playing pool than just about anything. He's hooked on the game the same as so many of us have been for years.

One thing for sure.

Zach is way ahead of the curve for most young pool players and the time we have spent on the road has raised that up for sure.

Let's see where Zach will be 6 months from now. I think we will see a very mature, seasoned player for being 23-24 age bracket. Time will tell.

Even though we are on the road I am constantly thinking about where and what we will do next. If there is a lesson to learn at anytime I make sure the point is well understood.

It's kind of like a pool teacher giving someone a lesson in general. You don't know what the player knows until you get to that part of the game.

On the road you need to point out things as they happen. When you make mistakes out here it costs you money. Money is not only how we keep score but it allows players like Zach and myself to live out our dream.

Run out of money and all you can do is sit home and dream.

Myself I like living it a little better.

Years back I was in Kentucky for a National tournament. In the 70's.I lost to Jimmy Reid deep in the tourny. A person came around and asked all the players why they played the game of pool.

Under my picture I had the guy put 5 letter.

M O N E Y >>>>>

It's still true today. Without the money you can just sit home busted.

2 men a van and the road...........
 
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JoeyA...Nobody has been "muzzled" by the moderators. Some of Gene's posts are still full of BS, but the fact that those of us who may not agree with some of Gene's 'philosphy' choose not to belabor it, doesn't mean anyone has been told to "cut it out". Nobody has... Still, overall it's an interesting thread to read, and I've enjoyed most of it as much as everyone else!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

This is a little uncalled for.

You and others like you believe it is uncalled for, just like I do as well.

Maybe Scott is a bit jealous of all of the accolades that Gene's students are lavishing on him. It's quite apparent if you've seen Gene teach that the students are simply agog over what he is showing and teaching them. I don't know what else it could be but jealousy. :shocked:

Scott's been on the forum posting today but he hasn't responded to my request to detail the posts by Gene that he thinks are "still full of BS".
 
Hi there and I really liked your insight here and thoughts.

Zach is 23 years old. To me that's a kid. To others that might be getting old. When your just about ready like I am to turn the corner to 60 everyone looks like a kid. Bottom line is he has a long time to play pool yet and the best is yet to come.

He certainly has a lot of time to play pool but referring to him as a kid sort of sets the stage for wasting time. At 23, he needs to really get after it if he wants to be a champion.

Zach does do drills. In fact when he goes to play someone he likes to get there early and do some of his drills to get warmed up.

I never was one to do too many drills. If I missed a shot in a match or gambling I would practice it for hours. This turned into one of my drill shots. I had my own personal set of drills that I do from time to time.

This sort of confirmed my previous post about how serious you and Zach are about him becoming a champion. He likes to do a few drills? I'm not even necessarily talking about doing drills specifically. I'm just talking about serious practice. You know like Shane and Orcullo do. If you want to be the best you probably have to at least put in as much time as they do. All players love to compete. That's the easy part. The champions do the hard part.

Here's what Jay Helfert had to say about Shane and Dennis:

"I've hosted many great players in my home and the first thing I noticed was how much time they put into practicing. I am not exaggerating when I say that Shane would hit balls at least ten hours a day! Dennis O. has been here off and on the last month and he is on the table 6-8 hours a day on average. I'll be honest and tell you that I've never practiced with Shane. He is just too intimidating! Dennis and I have played some Banks and One Pocket. Believe it or not I do win a game once in a while.

BOTH of them spend the most time working on their break shots. I think at the highest level, having a good break can make the difference between winning and losing. It is the single most important shot in most pool games after all. Besides the break shot, I see them working on various shots, probably those that cause them problems. Shane might shoot one shot fifty or more times, until he makes it like ten in a row! And I'm not talking about an easy shot either.

Dennis might shoot all bank shots for an hour or so, then switch to various combinations. I rarely have seen either of these guys working on anything that looks like a drill, preferring instead to run rack after rack of Ten Ball. That is probably the second biggest thing they work on, the run-out! It's not so easy on my tough Diamond table, but I'm guessing that both these guys break and run over half the racks during practice, and I'm not talking ball in hand either!"

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3722930

Notice a difference? I do.

This Zach is a race horse. He likes to gamble and was already doing this before we met. Many of the great players out there gambled whenever they could to keep their game sharp and to make some money. The gambling part has gotten so much tougher than it was years back. Players play much better and they are allot smarter when they match up.

Many of the pros don't gamble much because they can't get a game. And sometimes it just doesn't make much sense to bang heads with someone for hours in an evenly matched game.

I guess you could say what I'm trying to do with Zach is just have some fun. While having this fun, learn some valuable lessons. He is young and has made many mistakes matching up and playing in the past and will probably make many more. I just want to help him learn how to put the odds a little in his favor.

Zach needs to learn how to bite, scratch and kick everytime he walks to the table whether it be tournament, money game or practice. When the eyes fix on that table the bell goes off and the fight is on. This is what he needs to learn. The road holds all these secrets to becoming a dominant player.

This is sort of confirming that you are just trying to help turn him into a good money player, not a champion. I can only imagine that doing the work it takes to become a champion is sometimes boring. I know some players say they love to practice but I'm sure at some point they all have a hard time staying focused. Still they have to put in the work to get there.

I have no doubt that you are out doing what you love and I don't fault you for that, I just think your formula for creating a champion may need a little tweaking.
 
Zach likes drills.............

He certainly has a lot of time to play pool but referring to him as a kid sort of sets the stage for wasting time. At 23, he needs to really get after it if he wants to be a champion.



This sort of confirmed my previous post about how serious you and Zach are about him becoming a champion. He likes to do a few drills? I'm not even necessarily talking about doing drills specifically. I'm just talking about serious practice. You know like Shane and Orcullo do. If you want to be the best you probably have to at least put in as much time as they do. All players love to compete. That's the easy part. The champions do the hard part.

Here's what Jay Helfert had to say about Shane and Dennis:

"I've hosted many great players in my home and the first thing I noticed was how much time they put into practicing. I am not exaggerating when I say that Shane would hit balls at least ten hours a day! Dennis O. has been here off and on the last month and he is on the table 6-8 hours a day on average. I'll be honest and tell you that I've never practiced with Shane. He is just too intimidating! Dennis and I have played some Banks and One Pocket. Believe it or not I do win a game once in a while.

BOTH of them spend the most time working on their break shots. I think at the highest level, having a good break can make the difference between winning and losing. It is the single most important shot in most pool games after all. Besides the break shot, I see them working on various shots, probably those that cause them problems. Shane might shoot one shot fifty or more times, until he makes it like ten in a row! And I'm not talking about an easy shot either.

Dennis might shoot all bank shots for an hour or so, then switch to various combinations. I rarely have seen either of these guys working on anything that looks like a drill, preferring instead to run rack after rack of Ten Ball. That is probably the second biggest thing they work on, the run-out! It's not so easy on my tough Diamond table, but I'm guessing that both these guys break and run over half the racks during practice, and I'm not talking ball in hand either!"

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3722930

Notice a difference? I do.



This is sort of confirming that you are just trying to help turn him into a good money player, not a champion. I can only imagine that doing the work it takes to become a champion is sometimes boring. I know some players say they love to practice but I'm sure at some point they all have a hard time staying focused. Still they have to put in the work to get there.

I have no doubt that you are out doing what you love and I don't fault you for that, I just think your formula for creating a champion may need a little tweaking.

I'm going to incorporate a couple hours of drills everyday for Zack while on the road.

Might not be too bad for myself.

Never too old to learn. I'm always looking for an edge.

Thanks for the input and advice..

I'm trying to turn this kid into a machine.
 
This is a little uncalled for.


How so? First off, to claim people have been "muzzled" when this is not so is more than a little self-righteous. Second, while the stories are amusing, if my son told me he was going out on the road to learn how to hustle pool -- when if you put a bald-faced label on it, this is what it is -- then I'd have "a problem" with it. (First with him, followed closely by the guy luring him into it.) No matter how romantic a spin you put on it, you are basically sending this kid out to be a grifter. So.... I guess we can all read the story, enjoy it, be entertained and just be thankful it is not own our boy (at 23). IMO, that's why Scott's comments not uncalled for.

And so, Scott, though I cannot speak for him, was pointing out (to the prig) that, no, so sorry, no one has been muzzled; yes, some folks still have a problem with some of this; and, oh by the way: wouldn't it be smarter -- if you actually had a minuscule and true shred of Geno's best interests at heart -- to let sleeping dog lie instead of challenging Scott to list the issues?

Guess not. It just goes to show who the real s-stirs on the site really are ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Now we have 2 Perfect Aim teacher and soon there will be more....

Zach just called me from Appleton. He's going to a small weekly tournament that he can win about $100. With my back trouble right now our road trip is being sidelined a little. On top of that I have this chest congestion going on again trying to recoup from all the smoke down south.

I told Zach to start giving some Perfect Aim lessons in Appleton.

WHY NOT ?

He's helped me do a couple of them and is a walking, talking billboard for Perfect Aim.

He's going to offer some lessons over there for almost half price. It will do something else also. it will solidify his knowledge of Perfect Aim for himself.

When I was in Texas Big Truck, Ray Hansen said to me that I should teach people all over the country to teach Perfect Aim. Ray Himself, knows how much it helped his game personally but not only that, he sees the players that have improved dramatically because of Perfect Aim. And it works for everyone.

What a neat twist to helping players improve their games.

Zach will be the first teacher that I teach. Zach himself also has seen first hand, player after player that is just like (WOW), after learning Perfect Aim.

This will also give him another survival tool while on the road. An income with a steady positive flow. All you need to do is one or 2 lessons. As soon as the word gets around how well it works the lessons keep on coming.

So far the record for myself in one week is 27 lessons.

Doing 4 or 5 lessons in a week pays for expenses and helps allot of players.

The Perfect Aim show has already been to Appleton. I did several lessons when I was healing up from my motorhome accident. This should give Zach an edge at setting up some lessons. He can also give a few players a little tuneup.

This program can make it possible for a young player to travel and play all over the country. If I can do it for 3 out of the last 4 years, other players can too.

I think it was Ron Wiesman that said to me one time. Those lessons are the nutz. It's hard for a person traveling on the road to make money from just gambling. Or hard to make it playing in tournaments. This is why so many player are so broke. Takes allot of time and energy to get playing very well and then you still have to win. Pretty tough.

And the nice thing about it is the players that are learning it are really learning something that can get them to the next level.

I've found out over the last 4 years that this is the best way to teach players Perfect Aim. Talk to them one on one and guarantee them that if it is not the best thing they have ever seen the lesson is free.

I've also been handing out $100 bills to some of the skeptical players out there. I say, put this $100 bill in your pocket. Now we'll do the Perfect Aim lesson and if it is not the best thing you have ever seen we can stop the lesson after the first 15 minutes and you can keep the $100.

If you want to see more. Give me back the hundred and pay the price for the lesson when it is done.

I've done this about 30 times so far in the last 6 months and everyone finished the lesson and was amazed.

Zach has seen this done personally over and over since being on the road with me.

I can't wait to see how many lessons he sets up over there.

Plus, sometimes when we're traveling there are too many lessons on some days for me to do. Zach teaching one would make it so much easier.
He could also be in one poolhall doing lessons and I could be at the other one.

I think we're onto something here. I'm going to be pretty selective as to who I will recruit on the road.

Who knows. Maybe I'll start up a Perfect Aim instructors school eventually.

Zach will also learn how hard it will be to stay in stroke and do lessons also. But then again when we're together and a tourny is coming up I can do the bulk of the lessons and he can just play his heart out getting ready.

I want to say thanks to Ray Hansen for this great idea. Now I'm going to see about making this a reality.

2 men a van and the road.........
 
How so? First off, to claim people have been "muzzled" when this is not so is more than a little self-righteous. Second, while the stories are amusing, if my son told me he was going out on the road to learn how to hustle pool -- when if you put a bald-faced label on it, this is what it is -- then I'd have "a problem" with it. (First with him, followed closely by the guy luring him into it.) No matter how romantic a spin you put on it, you are basically sending this kid out to be a grifter. So.... I guess we can all read the story, enjoy it, be entertained and just be thankful it is not own our boy (at 23). IMO, that's why Scott's comments not uncalled for.

And so, Scott, though I cannot speak for him, was pointing out (to the prig) that, no, so sorry, no one has been muzzled; yes, some folks still have a problem with some of this; and, oh by the way: wouldn't it be smarter -- if you actually had a minuscule and true shred of Geno's best interests at heart -- to let sleeping dog lie instead of challenging Scott to list the issues?

Guess not. It just goes to show who the real s-stirs on the site really are ;-)

Lou Figueroa

Teaching him to be a grifter? Are you high?

The title of the thread is not Build a Hustler, it's Build a Champion.

Gene is putting their every move on the public forum, the whole world knows the kid's name, he isn't trying to sneak up on anyone, not using false names and disguises, not trying to steal people's money, matches up fairly so how in the WORLD do you come away with saying Gene is teaching him to be a grifter?

Unreal.

Gene is trying to teach him how to survive on the road as a PLAYER not as a hustler and giving him a secondary source of income as a instructor. Again only you can turn such positives into negatives.

If I had a 23 year old who told me that this is what they wanted to do then I would say go for it if I trusted Gene to look out for him. Life is worth nothing if you can't LIVE IT.

I would bet that there are a lot of working guys on reading this who would have loved to have had this opportunity when they were in their early 20s. I hope Zach becomes the next Shane Van Boeing so I can remind you of your words for the next decade. Furthermore SVB was on the road when he was in his teens and he turned out alright.

You have an amazing propensity for labeling people as snake-oil salesmen and grifters with no basis in reality. Good for you that for now you can easily get away with slander on forums.
 
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