C a s e ...... C o p y c a t ???????

FLYINGSNAIL

FLYINGSNAIL

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I just found this out on Friday on Facebook. Someone in China made a " COPY " on these 2 cases. From what I heard this case maker came up with " his own new design and idea " on these 2 cases. As a case owner my self SPIDERMAN CASE I am very upset about this:angry::angry::angry:. I guess I can throw this 1 of 1 case and idea out my window.
HERE IS MY ORIGINAL CASE FROM CYREX:
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HERE'S THE COPYCAT CASE
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AT THE LOWER LEFT OF THIS PICTURES SAID: " FLAME SHADOW NINJA ":killingme::slap::scratchhead: what ninja???? I don't see any NINJA on this case.
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FLYINGSNAIL said:
I just found this out on Friday on Facebook. Someone in China made a " COPY " on these 2 cases. As a case owner my self SPIDERMAN CASE I am very upset about this:angry::angry::angry:. I guess I can throw this 1 of 1 case and idea out my window.
HERE IS MY ORIGINAL CASE FROM CYREX:
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HERE'S THE COPYCAT CASE
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I cannot believe that you are suprised that the makers of these jflowers would think that Cyrex's designs were off limits.

JV
 
Kenny...your case was something so unique. It is completely bang out of order to copy such a one off item as this. At least contact Rex and yourself before that goes ahead. Disgusting behaviour. The big problem, I only see more and more of this as time goes on. There are a billion people in China, demand is high.

It happened to me also but in my case it was a cue....by a top tier maker. I will say no more but that person knows the score and I can say hand on heart non of his cues will ever go through my hands again.

Si
 
I understand your frustration, you never know what the Chinese are capable of replicating.

I met a fellow AzB here on a tournament in Hanoi, Vietnam. he showed me the pics of his cue made by a cuemaker, also a member of AzB. he said was proud of the cue because he picked the wood combination, the ringwork and even an unique color of leather. but one day that cuemaker posted pictures of an exact cue design (wood combo, ringwork, leather), but for another customer. He was pissed.
 
:eek: but all Cases looks really nice. The China Market will flood us with many design's we know from respected Makers:frown:
Ralf
 
Your cases are stunning. The Chinese replicas are nice too. But paddle in comparison.

You and the case maker should be flattered.

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total booboo.....i wish they would send an extra copy of my paycheck to the bank.....:eek:
 
jemerson23 said:
Are these John Barton cases?
Honest question.
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I have no clue if these are John Barton cases or not but I did see the following on Seybert's site regarding J. Flowers cases.

"J. Flowers line of cases have been created with you in mind by world renowned case maker, John Barton. Several years ago Sterling hired acclaimed case maker John Barton, the founder of Instroke Cases, to put a new spin on Sterling's cue case and created many new and improved models. Barton created the J. Flowers line of cases paying tribute to the designs of Jasper "Jay" Flowers. This line is the first new line of leather cases to come from John Barton's workshop since 2007."
 
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

I'd like to say that John Barton was the one who originally showed me pics of these cases and said he had nothing to do with them. He said that they were made by Jiasen Cases (of China) and that Jiasen's design team are the ones who took my designs and modified them for their own.

While it does suck, it's also good to know that my designs are wanted enough to be copied. And personally, I think some of the tooling could be a little more detailed. But what do I know? :smile:

*And thanks for all the support and compliments everyone!
 
The Cyrex cases are flat out awesome! Original ideas & fantastic work. Absolutely NO comparison. :bow-down: :bow-down:

As seems to always happen when China copies something, they never live up to the originals. And they just can't seem to come up with a good idea of their own. Those cases are no exception. :shrug:

But hey, some people wear those made in China fake Rolexes with pride. :thud:
 
Really??

FLYINGSNAIL said:
I just found this out on Friday on Facebook. Someone in China made a " COPY " on these 2 cases. From what I heard this case maker came up with " his own new design and idea " on these 2 cases. As a case owner my self SPIDERMAN CASE I am very upset about this:angry::angry::angry:. I guess I can throw this 1 of 1 case and idea out my window.
HERE IS MY ORIGINAL CASE FROM CYREX:
a1f3ebfe.jpg


HERE'S THE COPYCAT CASE
4572651f.jpg


AT THE LOWER LEFT OF THIS PICTURES SAID: " FLAME SHADOW NINJA ":killingme::slap::scratchhead: what ninja???? I don't see any NINJA on this case.
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Dude, seriously and no offense but aren't you Chinese? :confused:
 
Remy said:
Dude, seriously and no offense but aren't you Chinese? :confused:
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Remy, no offense but this post makes no sense. What does Kenny's ethnicity have to do with anything?

You do realize there are many of us that come from different ethnic background that reside in USA and are proud to be a citizen of this nation whether we are 1st generation or 5th generation???? That almost everyone in USA is a product of current or past immigration???
 
Im looking at the pics on my phone (so they are small...) and the "copy" case to me looks nothing like the "original". I see action figures in all the pics, but don't see any other similarities. how you can keep someone else from making a case with action figures on it, unless you own the rights to the action figure?
 
iusedtoberich said:
Im looking at the pics on my phone (so they are small...) and the "copy" case to me looks nothing like the "original". I see action figures in all the pics, but don't see any other similarities. how you can keep someone else from making a case with action figures on it, unless you own the rights to the action figure?
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agreed but the pics are the same for each case. execution is completely different though. i dont see it as a copy
 
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classiccues said:
http://www.jiasencase.com/about_en.asp?action=honour_en

This is off the Jiasen case company website.. just study it a little bit...

This is what someone in that picture thinks you all are....
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The web page you linked to is John's copy taken from our website without permission. And anyway there is nothing in that statement of John's that has any bearing on this situation. there is nothing that is negative in any way.

The pictures shown were also not intended to be used to insinuate that John is a part of Jiasen.

Jiasen is a separate company that John works with at times. John has given them advice in how to better construct cases.

John has ZERO financial interest in Jiasen whatsoever. The cases made in the style of Rex's, which are not copies, were done 100% without John's knowledge. The day John found out about them he showed them to Rex.

The J.Flowers brand belongs to Jiasen in China and they put it on whatever cases they want. It belongs to Sterling Gaming in the rest of the world and they stick to the similar classic tooling style that Nora Van Horn did on the J.EF Q Cases.

Anyone who wishes to talk to John about this can find him easily.

For the record John does NOT endorse copying other case maker's work. If asked we will do our own version as we did here when we were asked to exactly copy the case Mr. Justis did for Efren Reyes.

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We declined and made this case for our customer instead.

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http://www.jbcases.com/gillian.html

So again, we had nothing to do with these cases. However as a relevant point it should be pointed out that anything which is displayed on the internet and is praised is likely to be a target of copying in some form. Many case makers have taken designs from other case makers liberally and without condemnation. As have many cue makers.

Neither of these two cases are actually copies. The blue one is a mashup of two of Rex's cases and the Spiderman one is very different.

The sad fact is that in today's world the downside of sharing work is the fact that everyone else on earth can see it and use it in any way they want to with or without permission.

John's designs have been copied more than any other case maker. He is very sensitive to the subject but also a realist. He will address this in detail on another platform sometime in the next day.
 
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Thecoats said:
I have no clue if these are John Barton cases or not but I did see the following on Seybert's site regarding J. Flowers cases.

"J. Flowers line of cases have been created with you in mind by world renowned case maker, John Barton. Several years ago Sterling hired acclaimed case maker John Barton, the founder of Instroke Cases, to put a new spin on Sterling's cue case and created many new and improved models. Barton created the J. Flowers line of cases paying tribute to the designs of Jasper "Jay" Flowers. This line is the first new line of leather cases to come from John Barton's workshop since 2007."
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Unfortunately the J.Flowers brand belongs to Jiasen in China and they simply put it on whatever case designs that they feel like without any regard to John's original vision of sticking to the classic western style tooling that Nora Van Horn did.

Sterling has NOTHING to do with these two cases.
 
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