CA$H Cues - Tommy's Contact Info

[cueaddicts]

Deposits are the devil.....and there are way more than just a few folks I would send a check to. There are lots of stand-up, respectable people in this biz. Unfortunately, there are some not so great, too. For that reason, everyone (buyers and sellers) needs to be responsible for doing their own research !!

 

[spktur]

If there is a consolidated list of names and complaints, maybe someone should contact DMGWalsh here, who is a lawyer, and may be able to assist with a class action law suit. Maybe a certified letter from a lawyer showing the intent to file suit will be enough to lure this worm from underground.

Sueing in this case is a joke. All you will get is a judgement there is no money and very little income if any. And no property.

 

[spktur]

Conveniently, you skipped the part where i asked how this can be done without AZB becoming liable. Disclaimer? I already have one. We are not in the middle of the sale already.
If they are still on the hook for their own losses....why bother with more "safeguards" that are apparently easy enough to circumvent as it is done daily with ID theft.

Mr Wilson, you don't understand, 99% of the people on here don't care about your liability. The world revolves around them.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Ultimately, liability is what it all boils down to.
People want safeguards...just another word for a guarantee.

Its a very litigious world we live in. What could possibly make the risk to AZB worth it?

 

[mechanic/player]

I have about a dozen good transactions on here ,Thanks everyone. Maybe I am wrong but can't a dishonest buyer rip off an honest seller using paypal?

 

[kvinbrwr]

I have about a dozen good transactions on here ,Thanks everyone. Maybe I am wrong but can't a dishonest buyer rip off an honest seller using paypal?

PayPal indemnifies sellers (some up to 5K per year, some for unlimited $$) as long as the seller follows PayPal's "Seller Protection" guidelines.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[JB Cases]

Ultimately, liability is what it all boils down to.
People want safeguards...just another word for a guarantee.

Its a very litigious world we live in. What could possibly make the risk to AZB worth it?

Both Ebay and PayPal provide some safeguards to their users. Neither PP nor EBAY accept ANY liability except what they SPECIFICALLY state that they will protect against if the seller/buyer follow very specific rules.

It's a very simple affair for AZB to protect themselves against liability while still providing a bit safer environment to transact in.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

We merely offer a classified ad section.

What would make it worth it to AZB?

 

[JB Cases]

We merely offer a classified ad section.

What would make it worth it to AZB?

You don't merely offer a classified section. Are you asking for business advice? The number one thing that makes it worth it is a continuance of traffic to the site to view the banner ads. This is why google provides so much free services to attract more users so that those viewers can be presented with advertisements.

Other marketplaces charge a fee for listing in their classifieds. Ebay, Itunes, Etsy, to name a few.

I don't know what's possible through the Vbulletin software in this regard. But it is possible to monetize listings if you were so inclined.

In the short term though simply changing the moderation from you to members in good standing for that section would help a lot in keeping threads like these off the main forum and would probably keep them from existing at all.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

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I don't know what's possible through the Vbulletin software in this regard. But it is possible to monetize listings if you were so inclined..

Right there.

Have you heard Mike or Jerry express an interest in this? Ever?

You seem bent on insisting this is done.

 

[Antfarm]

John

If he ripped me off for 3K I would dispute the charge to PayPal with the credit card company I paid him with, get my money back, be done with him and on to the next. He doesn't take my PayPal I can't deal with him and I'm on to the next.

Kevin

It wasn't money he stole from me. It was a cue worth $2300. I can't dispute that and there was no way to use escrow. I was screwed from the beginning.

Never again.

r,

Greg

 

[Antfarm]

Sueing in this case is a joke. All you will get is a judgement there is no money and very little income if any. And no property.

Bingo. That's exactly what I've been told by the people in Jackson, TN. It would be 10X more expensive to sue than to just have the cue remade exactly someday. Luckily, Leon Sly is still in the cue business and I can get the cue replicated exactly.

In my mind, this is over. There is nothing I can do unless Tommy miraculously chooses to stand up and handle his business professionally. I'm not holding my breath for that to happen so I am just going to move on.

Mad respect for everyone that shared their opinions on here. Every fostered a good discussion about the minefield that internet sales are. We all have to be extra careful and do our best to not get burned.

R,

Greg

 

[kvinbrwr]

It wasn't money he stole from me. It was a cue worth $2300. I can't dispute that and there was no way to use escrow. I was screwed from the beginning.

Never again.

r,

Greg

Greg

Yeah that's a tough one. I've sent cues to both Barry and Tascarella worth 10s of thousands of dollars and art to authenticators in the same range. I felt safe sending the cues to those guys because of all the time I've been here on AZ, I've not heard a negative word about either. However, I'm sure 2 months ago, just about the same could have been said for hangemhigh. So I don't know what the solution is there.

I do know that moderators taking a more active role would do nothing to prevent the situation you are talking about, where a valued and respected member of long standing goes South.

Kevin

 

[JB Cases]

Right there.

Have you heard Mike or Jerry express an interest in this? Ever?

You seem bent on insisting this is done.

What is your problem? I am not insisting on anything. I am having a discussion on things that COULD be done not things that will be done or even must be done.

You seem awfully bent on maintaining things as they are, which is to say every other week we have a thread about how someone got ripped off, or the deal went bad, or the guy disappeared with the money, or the cue was warped, the weight was wrong.......

What do you care about how Mike and Jerry decide to do things? Are you financially invested in the well being of this website and forum? Of course I have no idea what or how you are involved in this venture. But if you're not lying then you are an unpaid (and underappreciated apparently) volunteer. You whine all the time about how hard you have it but you don't want to give the job up.

I don't have any desire to see fees instituted for sales from the perspective of being an active seller on the AZB WFS section. But from the perspective of providing a safe place to do business that attracts more buyers I wouldn't mind paying a fee to fund some safeguards and active moderation that isn't biased and inconsistent.

But again, you asked if Mike or Jerry has ever expressed interest in doing this.....this being monetizing the WFS section, no, not publicly on the forum. But Mike did say TWICE in this thread that he is interested in hearing any suggestions to improve the community we have here.

I know Jerry is certainly interested in the financial side of AZB and seeing it leveraged to be financially stable. I am certain that Mike does not have any interest in pouring work into this without at least breaking even. Again I have no idea what your motivation is but it does not seem to be completely aligned with ensuring that the "guests" are treated hospitably.

 

[JB Cases]

It wasn't money he stole from me. It was a cue worth $2300. I can't dispute that and there was no way to use escrow. I was screwed from the beginning.

Never again.

r,

Greg

So what's the latest with the police? Have you filed a police report? What's happening there? $2300 across state lines is federal felony as far as I know. Defrauding you of your merchandise using the internet is wire fraud which is also a felony. Cutting off all communication when he has the ability to communicate indicates that he has no intention of returning your cue. Perhaps the cue has been sold to pay other debts.

I fail to see why this isn't a criminal issue at this point? I understand that in some cases the police or district attorney's office will say that if you WILLINGLY give you merchandise or cash to someone then it's a civil matter at that point. But I don't believe this to be the case if one can make the case that the receiver intended to defraud. In any event if the guy is out running around and ABLE to send freaking emails then he is showing an intent to defraud by refusing to acknowledge the debts he owes to people.

Too bad we don't have debtor's prison anymore. Maybe if we did then this crap wouldn't happen so much. It's unreal, in AMERICA a person can be charged with a state felony for stealing a beer, is arrested and humilated and faces 5-10 years in prison, and yet people can steal from others like this and face no criminal charges.

This is why I don't buy ANY big ticket items on Ebay or otherwise unless I am very sure about the seller OR my risk is very minimal.

Greg I am sorry about your cue. I hope you can get it back. I can't imagine that he is staying out of the poolrooms if he is alive and able to walk. Your cue is probably sitting in a corner somewhere and he could put in a mailing tube in ten minutes and return it to you.

All this reminds me that I have unfinshed business I need to tend to. My customers are incredibly patient and I am not taking care of them while ranting about someone else's issues.

Bye y'all, unsubscribing from this thread.

Mike - I will be in touch privately about my suggestions.

Dave - don't know what your problem is but I hope you solve it.

Kevin - great suggestions about using PP funded with a CC for protection - people need to read the fine print though to see what's covered and what isn't and realize that a debit card used as a credit card does not always offer the same level of protection.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

John, I am quite tired of you putting words in my mouth.
You've made several personal statements about myself, my intentions, my motives..etc.

There isn't a single aspect that you have a single fact to claim where I'm concerned other than I do my part on a voluntary basis and have no need for you to volunteer myself nor anyone else to do more to fit your wishes for AZB.

You have your own little blog that you can try and model to whatever end you wish. Make your argument from there and show us how its done.

 

[dave sutton]

No, you simply skipped the part where I said you disclaim liability.

For the record. A simple disclaimer does not automatically release you from being liable.

For example. An I know this from experience.

You own a daycare for children. you own a dog. You have a "beware of dog" sign on your door. Your dog bites one of the kids.

Do you think you are liable bc you had a beware of dog disclaimer on your door.

Yes. Still liable in a court of law.

 

[poolfool1957]

What was this thread about again???....oh yeah...a bunch of folks probably getting ripped off and looking for contact info on the alleged a-hole.

 

[Charlie Edwards]

What was this thread about again???....oh yeah...a bunch of folks probably getting ripped off and looking for contact info on the alleged a-hole.

Maybe this thread will stay on topic now with no more off topic rants. This valuable thread should not die. It should become a sticky and remind everyone just how easy it is to get ripped off.

BTW, still nothing on the whereabouts of Edward S. Engles, AKA Tommy Stanfill?

 

[Remy]

I just got done reading this entire thread and WOW! turns out that Mr. "Hollier than thou" is nothing but a douche bag, very sad.
Sorry for all the good people on this site who trusted this scammer and sent him their hard earned money.
Best of luck to you all and keep us posted.