CA$H Cues - Tommy's Contact Info

[Fast Lenny]

I spoke to Mike before about doing something with the classifieds, more along the lines of making people pay to use it. If your a Club Member you can post unlimited in the classifieds, it will cut down on the riff raff fly by night salesman and help with putting some coin in AZ Billiards pockets which they deserve anyway. The classifieds would be broken down into price range, cues, cases, services, accessories and other stuff.

I think there could be some good ideas on making this happen and also offer some protection for buyers and sellers. One thing I do think should happen more often with higher end cues is escrow, I know many people on here are trusted members and we do not have too much worries but things still seem to happen. We all shake our heads in disbelief but in these tough times people will sacrifice the reputation they have earned over countless years and transactions for the cash they need. I would say for every bad transaction on AZ there are hundreds that are positive though.

 

[JB Cases]

How about someone explain how AZB is supposed to protect people without becoming liable for the losses.

You disclaim liability. Protecting people doesn't mean that you are totally shielding them from loss. It simply means that you put a few safeguards in place to try and get as much real information on the sellers as possible.

There is rampant ID theft already. Who and how would you proof out this equation?

What equation? You mean how would someone's id be verified? There are numerous methods that are in use by millions of sites to do just that.

Should I add....for free?

Who said it had to be for free? But even if it were you are assuming that this wouldn't be worth it. A safer marketplace is always worth it because it attracts more visitors.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Right now no one goes to jail for defrauding buyers on forum marketplaces like this. They just disappear and come back later under a new handle.

apaalltheway
apapro
letzplay
master9baller
play4$
9bplyr
brk+run
cashplay
cheapsets
outthedoor
runsout
slopthe9
whodat


As an example, these are some of Brian Lippes ( Master9baller ) alias.
He's been banned twice in this thread alone.

How many times can I stomp the same bug?
He's not even a good example. There are people who are very talented in the wrong ways that know how to manipulate computers and are much harder to find much less catch.

 

[JB Cases]

John

If he ripped me off for 3K I would dispute the charge to PayPal with the credit card company I paid him with, get my money back, be done with him and on to the next. He doesn't take my PayPal I can't deal with him and I'm on to the next.

Kevin

Sensible. As I said not everyone is as experienced as you are. So why isn't this information provided in the WFS section prominently?

I say it's because the moderator of that section is not interested in helping people to do business safely, other than recommending escrow, which itself is not entirely safe.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

How about someone explain how AZB is supposed to protect people without becoming liable for the losses.

You disclaim liability. Protecting people doesn't mean that you are totally shielding them from loss. It simply means that you put a few safeguards in place to try and get as much real information on the sellers as possible.



What equation? You mean how would someone's id be verified? There are numerous methods that are in use by millions of sites to do just that.




Who said it had to be for free? But even if it were you are assuming that this wouldn't be worth it. A safer marketplace is always worth it because it attracts more visitors.

Conveniently, you skipped the part where i asked how this can be done without AZB becoming liable. Disclaimer? I already have one. We are not in the middle of the sale already.
If they are still on the hook for their own losses....why bother with more "safeguards" that are apparently easy enough to circumvent as it is done daily with ID theft.

 

[JB Cases]

apaalltheway
apapro
letzplay
master9baller
play4$
9bplyr
brk+run
cashplay
cheapsets
outthedoor
runsout
slopthe9
whodat


As an example, these are some of Brian Lippes ( Master9baller ) alias.
He's been banned twice in this thread alone.

How many times can I stomp the same bug?
He's not even a good example. There are people who are very talented in the wrong ways that know how to manipulate computers and are much harder to find much less catch.

I have to go to bed. Dave where there is a will there is a way.

 

[JB Cases]

Conveniently, you skipped the part where i asked how this can be done without AZB becoming liable.

No, you simply skipped the part where I said you disclaim liability.

 

[kvinbrwr]

Sensible. As I said not everyone is as experienced as you are. So why isn't this information provided in the WFS section prominently?

I say it's because the moderator of that section is not interested in helping people to do business safely, other than recommending escrow, which itself is not entirely safe.

*laughing*

Well one of the reasons its not displayed prominently is it eliminates the use of escrow, but here you go, fool proof complete dead nuts fix on the AZ Billiards "rip off" problem:

Require all sellers to have a PayPal account capable of accepting credit card funded payments (leave the verification to PayPal they are already set up for it) and all buyers make their payments through PayPal funded by a credit card. The buyers credit card company guarantees him satisfaction or money back, thereby all sellers work within this principle. The seller rips you off and doesn't mail the order ? Dispute it with the credit card company and move on. No big crying games and rip off threads, everybody conducts business the way any company that accepts credit cards does, they way you do, the way I do, satisfaction guaranteed.

Every person I buy from answers these 2 question yes or I don't do business with them (outside of Barry, Ernie and Tasc):

1) Can I PayPal you ?

2) Do you guarantee my satisfaction ?

You said yes to both these questions and I got a GREAT case from you that still satisfies me.

Everybody likes to pretend they think that eBay requirement all payments to be electronic had to do with their ownership of PayPal. However, it completely eliminated eBay's rip off problem and allowed eBay (without financial risk) to offer their buyers a complete satisfaction guarantee.

Kevin

 

[snipershot]

*laughing*

Well one of the reasons its not displayed prominently is it eliminates the use of escrow, but here you go, fool proof complete dead nuts fix on the AZ Billiards "rip off" problem:

Require all sellers to have a PayPal account capable of accepting credit card funded payments (leave the verification to PayPal they are already set up for it) and all buyers make their payments through PayPal funded by a credit card. The buyers credit card company guarantees him satisfaction or money back, thereby all sellers work within this principle. The seller rips you off and doesn't mail the order ? Dispute it with the credit card company an move on. No big crying games and rip off threads, everybody conducts business the way any company that accepts credit cards does, they way you do, the way I do, satisfaction guaranteed.

Every person I buy from answers these 2 question yes or I don't do business with them (outside of Barry, Ernie and Tasc):

1) Can I PayPal you ?

2) Do you guarantee my satisfaction ?

Kevin

Those are almost the same guidelines i follow when i buy from the internet. I dont believe its the mods job to use common sense for us. I also dont buy anything from brand new members of az unless they ship the goods first. If they dont like that, i move on. I got hosed on ebay a few years ago, and it took a while, but i did a chargeback on my credit card and got my cash back. No matter how many rules, regulations, or safeguards the mods put in place, there will always be scammers and thieves. Its just how it is, and i see no way that anybody is going to stop it, especially for free like Mr. Wilson stated.

Joe

 

[Fast Lenny]

*laughing*

Well one of the reasons its not displayed prominently is it eliminates the use of escrow, but here you go, fool proof complete dead nuts fix on the AZ Billiards "rip off" problem:

Require all sellers to have a PayPal account capable of accepting credit card funded payments (leave the verification to PayPal they are already set up for it) and all buyers make their payments through PayPal funded by a credit card. The buyers credit card company guarantees him satisfaction or money back, thereby all sellers work within this principle. The seller rips you off and doesn't mail the order ? Dispute it with the credit card company and move on. No big crying games and rip off threads, everybody conducts business the way any company that accepts credit cards does, they way you do, the way I do, satisfaction guaranteed.

Every person I buy from answers these 2 question yes or I don't do business with them (outside of Barry, Ernie and Tasc):

1) Can I PayPal you ?

2) Do you guarantee my satisfaction ?

You said yes to both these questions and I got a GREAT case from you that still satisfies me.

Everybody likes to pretend they think that eBay requirement all payments to be electronic had to do with their ownership of PayPal. However, it completely eliminated eBay's rip off problem and allowed eBay (without financial risk) to offer their buyers a complete satisfaction guarantee.

Kevin

I believe on Ebay, the buyer has to give positive feedback for the money to be released to you or you have to wait X amount of days. I thought this was a good way of doing it.

 

[kvinbrwr]

Those are almost the same guidelines i follow when i buy from the internet. I dont believe its the mods job to use common sense for us. I also dont buy anything from brand new members of az unless they ship the goods first. If they dont like that, i move on. I got hosed on ebay a few years ago, and it took a while, but i did a chargeback on my credit card and got my cash back. No matter how many rules, regulations, or safeguards the mods put in place, there will always be scammers and thieves. Its just how it is, and i see no way that anybody is going to stop it, especially for free like Mr. Wilson stated.

Joe

Joe

If a brand new member is willing to take my PayPal and type that I have a satisfaction guarantee, I'm good to go.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[kvinbrwr]

I believe on Ebay, the buyer has to give positive feedback for the money to be released to you or you have to wait X amount of days. I thought this was a good way of doing it.

Some new sellers have to go through that process. That's eBay just protecting their butts when they are guaranteeing satisfaction.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[ribdoner]

*laughing*

Well one of the reasons its not displayed prominently is it eliminates the use of escrow, but here you go, fool proof complete dead nuts fix on the AZ Billiards "rip off" problem:

Require all sellers to have a PayPal account capable of accepting credit card funded payments (leave the verification to PayPal they are already set up for it) and all buyers make their payments through PayPal funded by a credit card. The buyers credit card company guarantees him satisfaction or money back, thereby all sellers work within this principle. The seller rips you off and doesn't mail the order ? Dispute it with the credit card company and move on. No big crying games and rip off threads, everybody conducts business the way any company that accepts credit cards does, they way you do, the way I do, satisfaction guaranteed.

Every person I buy from answers these 2 question yes or I don't do business with them (outside of Barry, Ernie and Tasc):

1) Can I PayPal you ?

2) Do you guarantee my satisfaction ?

You said yes to both these questions and I got a GREAT case from you that still satisfies me.

Everybody likes to pretend they think that eBay requirement all payments to be electronic had to do with their ownership of PayPal. However, it completely eliminated eBay's rip off problem and allowed eBay (without financial risk) to offer their buyers a complete satisfaction guarantee.

Kevin

WINNER, WINNER chicken DINNER + KISS in action:smile:

The chump change PP charges is negotiable between buyer and seller and worth the peace of mind provided

 

[kvinbrwr]

WINNER, WINNER chicken DINNER + KISS in action:smile:

The chump change PP charges is negotiable between buyer and seller and worth the peace of mind provided

Yeah, thanks. The hard part is having the discipline not to deal if you can't use PayPal. In my post, I had exclusions, I mean Baryy and Tasc both want checks, what am I supposed to do, try and sell a cue without their verification? So if there are exclusions with those you trust, then its not foolproof, and maybe I would have sent hangemhigh a check (I doubt it though). I've sent Cornerstone checks, based on Bill's long standing rep, so I guess if something happened in his life and he went South, I could get burned.

As far as the PayPal charges go, it always cracks me up to see a guy offering a cue that's $1000 overpriced (relative to the market) and saying that he will upcharge for PayPal. 2 days later he's dropping the price $500 and I'm wondering will I still have to tack on the fees?

Kevin

 

[ribdoner]

Yeah, thanks. The hard part is having the discipline not to deal if you can't use PayPal. In my post, I had exclusions, I mean Baryy and Tasc both want checks, what am I supposed to do, try and sell a cue without their verification? So if there are exclusions with those you trust, then its not foolproof, and maybe I would have sent hangemhigh a check (I doubt it though). I've sent Cornerstone checks, based on Bill's long standing rep, so I guess if something happened in his life and he went South, I could get burned.

Kevin

i hear ya...another option i use is receiving mdse on approval prior to remitting


deposits are also a NO-NO, with a very short list of exceptions

 

[kvinbrwr]

i hear ya...another option i use is receiving mdse on approval prior to remitting


deposits are also a NO-NO, with a very short list of exceptions

Adam

I'm with you. deposits will kill you, they take you past the credit card charge back period. Like I said, Barry calls and offers and the check is flying out, but really, everybody else, no deposits.

Kevin

 

[qbilder]

nevermind.......

 

[snipershot]

Joe

If a brand new member is willing to take my PayPal and type that I have a satisfaction guarantee, I'm good to go.

Thanks

Kevin

It would depend on whether the risk was worth the reward to me. If it was something i really wanted i might go for it, but if its just a good buy, it might not be worth the hassle of filing a claim and having to wait several months to get my cash back. I dont buy as much as you do, so i can see where you would be in a different boat.

Joe

 

[qbilder]

Adam

I'm with you. deposits will kill you, they take you past the credit card charge back period. Like I said, Barry calls and offers and the check is flying out, but really, everybody else, no deposits.

Kevin

IMO, somebody asking for deposit on an item that has yet to become reality, is tempting fate & ignoring the fact that life happens to all of us. There are countless times I would have been screwed if I were taking deposits. Sometimes I simply cannot deliver what I thought I could, for whatever reason, so if you haven't paid then you are out nothing & I can sleep knowing you didn't get screwed by me.

 

[kvinbrwr]

IMO, somebody asking for deposit on an item that has yet to become reality, is tempting fate & ignoring the fact that life happens to all of us. There are countless times I would have been screwed if I were taking deposits. Sometimes I simply cannot deliver what I thought I could, for whatever reason, so if you haven't paid then you are out nothing & I can sleep knowing you didn't get screwed by me.

Love your cues BTW.

I'm with you. Taking a deposit as a seller just puts you in a "owes somebody" position, and for me, as a seller, I hate to be beholden to anyone that way.

Thanks

Kevin