"Call Everything" Rules

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Push&Pool

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Why do so many bar players (who are usually bad or average) insist on calling every single thing? It makes no sense. A lower player can rarely make the shot exactly as planned. Someone who's a good player can win this way even easier. In the lands where I come from people insist on slop rules (call nothing), and there's much more logic behind it, as bad players can actually win this way against better ones. Do "call everything" bangers just like losing as fast as possible or is there something I'm not aware of? :confused:
 
1. It prolongs the game so you get more innings for your buck.
2. They just do it because it's what they have always done. They've never cared enough to learn or play by any written rule set.
3. Who cares?
 
It's a scare tactic. If someone says this to me, I instantly ask them to up the bet for my trouble...
 
My dog, who is a Great Dane St. Bernard mix, looks like a Dane but drools like a Bernard.
 
I think in some cases they do it because of ego. They feel that not calling the shots means that the game is too easy. Real men don't play slop rules, blah blah blah. They get so bad sometimes that I've even had someone try to say my shot wasn't good because I didn't call that the object ball was going to brush the rail as it rolled into the corner pocket I called. He tried to tell me that technically it was a bank shot because it touched the rail before it went in...
 
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I remember when this type of ruling surfaced, I think in the later seventies. Many people still bet during that time. The weaker players assumed it was a way to give them a better chance at winning, it did just the opposite....and is why its rarely seen much anymore.
 
Push&Pool said:
Why do so many bar players (who are usually bad or average) insist on calling every single thing? It makes no sense. A lower player can rarely make the shot exactly as planned. Someone who's a good player can win this way even easier. In the lands where I come from people insist on slop rules (call nothing), and there's much more logic behind it, as bad players can actually win this way against better ones. Do "call everything" bangers just like losing as fast as possible or is there something I'm not aware of? :confused:
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In almost every case, any rule that increases a player's odds to get back to the table when he otherwise would not have is an advantage to the lesser player. The easier the table, the more the better player can stretch his advantage.

Things like bank the 8, last pocket 8, call all the details...

Freddie <~~~ IMNSHO
 
Island Drive said:
I remember when this type of ruling surfaced, I think in the later seventies. Many people still bet during that time. The weaker players assumed it was a way to give them a better chance at winning, it did just the opposite....and is why its rarely seen much anymore.
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That's what I asked. How can it possibly give better chances of winning to a weaker player? It narrows down the possibilities much further than the real rules. Any logic suggests that more possible legal outcomes is what increases the probability of any lower player winning the game.
 
I am often shocked by "bangers" at bars who are C/D players but are still willing to bet big sums. Either they are hedge fund managers or their papa/mama mint money:D
 
Cornerman said:
In almost every case, any rule that increases a player's odds to get back to the table when he otherwise would not have is an advantage to the lesser player. The easier the table, the more the better player can stretch his advantage.

Things like bank the 8, last pocket 8, call all the details...

Freddie <~~~ IMNSHO
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Bank the 8 and last pocket, yes, but call every detail is just the opposite. With call every detail the better player is the one who'll usually succeed and the lower player will foul almost every time. It gives even more chances to the better player to finish the game sooner. Plus, it takes away every type of slop shots, which are usually the best weapon of weak players.

In last pocket and bank the 8 the better player will often miss the shot on the 8 several times, if the lesser player can play any sort of safety. That way the banger can catch up.
 
just call ball and the pocket, I have seen some bar league rules when you have to call ball, pocket, of which ball it will go in, how many banks- literally everything that might happened and if it does not happened the way you called- illegal shot and it does not count. This does not have any sense to me. Just ball and pocket is enough
 
Island Drive said:
I remember when this type of ruling surfaced, I think in the later seventies. Many people still bet during that time. The weaker players assumed it was a way to give them a better chance at winning, it did just the opposite....and is why its rarely seen much anymore.
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I don't remember it much before the early or mid '80s. It's still around, not among serious players though, as it wasn't then. I've been told all kinds of reasons why, the funniest being "That's how the pros play!", mostly from people who couldn't run three balls if their life depended on it. I had a conversion about this with someone a few months ago and showed them the rules for Straight Pool.
 
PaulieB said:
I think in some cases they do it because of ego. They feel that not calling the shots means that the game is too easy. Real men don't play slop rules, blah blah blah. They get so bad sometimes that I've even had someone try to say my shot wasn't good because I didn't call that the object ball was going to brush the rail as it rolled into the corner pocket I called. He tried to tell me that technically it was a bank shot because it touched the rail before it went in...
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Thats good!!! They said that was a bank but if you were playing bank the 8 and that was your bank shot on the 8 then they would have said "Hey. that aint no bank". The rules are fluid to people like that, the rules are whatever gives them the advantage at that point in time.:shocked2:
 
The last time someone told me that I had to call "everything", I did. Something like, " I'm going to cut the 10 in the corner, come off the bottom rail and bump the 6 ball, knocking the 11 into the rail and roll the cueball up here for a shot on the 13. Then I"ll shoot the 11 back over there."

They lightened up after that.
 
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