Can Archer make a difference?

One of the great things about Archer is that he's a true team player. One merely need to remember the propping up and boost that Archer provided as a doubles teammate to a very weak Putnam, and, in a year prior, to a weak Corey Deuel.

Going "all new blood" might be a great move; then again, not having a single veteran on the team -- and a proven teammate/booster like Archer -- might be the team's Achilles heel.

-Sean

That would be my reason for ditching him. I have no real interest in the MC but I did see a bit of that doubles match with Putman - if Archer was stood over me, telling me how to pot easy balls, I'd tell him to piss off.

Players need to spread their wings and find their own form.
 
That would be my reason for ditching him. I have no real interest in the MC but I did see a bit of that doubles match with Putman - if Archer was stood over me, telling me how to pot easy balls, I'd tell him to piss off.

Players need to spread their wings and find their own form.

Funny you should mention this :grin: I was re watching the whole event the other night and during the Archer/Putnam match I was thinking there's JA telling Putnam how to play simple shots and if he had a sliver of confidence before JA just sapped the last of that out of him.
 
Archer
SVB
Dechaine
Shuff
Landon

Stevie is my alternate.

I'd love for it to be a round-robin format with Phillippines and Asia fielding teams as well.
 
My feelings re ABP and Archer aside, I believe that even with the young guns, you need at least one player on the team with JA's experience.
And that be non other than Johnny.

Its invaluable. I like the idea of Earl. If CJ can keep him focused and in line, he is another great choice. Ya get him going and he is unbeatable.

I know that CJ can keep them together. Much more experience than CW.

Great choices Gunz. Hatch needs to be there this year too. From what I saw, he is a team player and helps keep the spirit going.
 
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I would love to see:

SVB
Archer
Dechaine
Hatch
Moore

Yours is a nice team that would give Team America a good shot. Put Brandon Shuff in and take Dennis Hatch out and I like it even better, but Shuff vs Hatch is a pretty close call and I'd be happy either way.
 
Funny you should mention this :grin: I was re watching the whole event the other night and during the Archer/Putnam match I was thinking there's JA telling Putnam how to play simple shots and if he had a sliver of confidence before JA just sapped the last of that out of him.

Agreed. Archer was trying to boost him up, but that wasn't the way to go about doing it.

With that said, everybody makes mistakes and most people learn from them. Archer is a great choice, and I am assuming he has been told to be a little more careful about his "technique" in motivating, or has figured it out for himself.

As for Putnam, I like his game. The Mosconi Cup pressure is a new level of pressure that he had not experienced before then. Again, people have experiences and learn. I think he would do better under the pressure if given another opportunity. (But I don't know how well he has been playing this year.)

Fatz
 
Agreed. Archer was trying to boost him up, but that wasn't the way to go about doing it.

With that said, everybody makes mistakes and most people learn from them. Archer is a great choice, and I am assuming he has been told to be a little more careful about his "technique" in motivating, or has figured it out for himself.

As for Putnam, I like his game. The Mosconi Cup pressure is a new level of pressure that he had not experienced before then. Again, people have experiences and learn. I think he would do better under the pressure if given another opportunity. (But I don't know how well he has been playing this year.)

Fatz

Dont know JA personally but from hearing him speak He seems like a down to earth fellow, I am sure he was just trying to support his struggling team mate, unfortunately it came accross as patronizing. Over the years JA has been all you could ask of a rep for your national team.
 
Thats a very strong team right there. I agree with Sein, maybe Landon will be a strong future player but not by replacing Dennis for him at the moment.

His time will hopefully come.
 
I'd love for it to be a round-robin format with Phillippines and Asia fielding teams as well.

Cool idea, but it's already tough enough for USA. How about diluting the teams by doing it strictly by country...

USA
Germany
Holland
Taiwan
Philippines...

Oh wait, we're still screwed. :eek:

Seriously, pool is not at it's peak in the USA, but we can still field a good enough team to beat the Europeans. Experience counts a lot, as does maturity, mental toughness and team chemistry. I agree with the earlier statement that Earl "the Burl" will implode in the Mosconi Cup, as he has done before. Further, he is a detriment to any kind of team concept. He is the Tyrell Owens of pool. In spite of all the talent, a team is better off without him. And I'm not sure that Matchroom would ever allow him in. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a standing rule, "No Earl ever again, ever".

My team would be...

Archer
SVB
Hatch
Morris
Putnam

I put in Putnam instead of Dechaine because, besides being higher in the rankings right now, Dechaine on the same team as Hatch might be bad for team chemistry (from what I think I know).
 
My team would be...

Archer
SVB
Hatch
Morris
Putnam

I put in Putnam instead of Dechaine because, besides being higher in the rankings right now, Dechaine on the same team as Hatch might be bad for team chemistry (from what I think I know).

Dechaine has had a much better year than Hatch, including a decisive victory over Hatch in TAR 25. If you feel you need to leave one of them out, it should be Hatch. Dechaine performed creditably in his first Mosconi Cup a year ago, including, if memory serves, a win over Ralf Souquet.

Dechaine is America's second best player right now, behind Van Boening, and his phenomenal record in 2012 speaks for itself.
 
I had seen a previous thread on here that was talking about CJ being the Mosconi Cup Captain and if Johnny Archer was going to be on the team again. I believe personally that he will be however nothing is ever guarenteed. I think the USA Team have their hands full this year in London especially at York Hall as its crazy over there and tough to fade all the Euro fans. My question is without Archer can the USA beat the Euros and how much does Archer bring to Team USA. I think he brings alot but I may be biased. I would love to hear if others feel the same.

Of course, you're biased. :grin:

That said, it reveals a lack of pool wisdom when people continue to praise players for their prowess on a field of green based on their tournament scores. Come on, please, get with the program. Most Americans today can't afford to attend the pool tournaments around the globe.

If anybody on this forum believes Dennis "The Hatchetman" Hatch can't hold his own against anybody on the face of the earth, they're sorely mistaken. Basing one's opinion on one back-and-forth doesn't tell the story. Dennis is a monster when he wants to win. :wink:

Now, I will say that he's a mood player, meaning everything on the rail has to be positive, no fights with anybody on Team Hatch, et cetera. Vegas is the absolute worst place for a player like Dennis Hatch to play his best pool, IMHO. Dennis is an old-school pool player, and these kind of players, ones who enjoy the distractions that Vegas has to offer, do not play their best pool in Vegas. End of story. :embarrassed2:

Now, this is not to take anything away from Mike Dechaine. I'm just saying don't discount Dennis Hatch. To compare the two of them is ridiculous based on tournament scores and one back-and-forth in Vegas.

Same goes for that once-in-a-lifetime thrashing that Landon gave to Earl Strickland. Put the money on the line and see who comes out ahead between the two. Sure, it's exciting that Landon spanked the Pearl. In fact, I would have liked to have been there to see the show, but I don't think young Landon has anywhere near the consistency or seasoning that Earl has for an event such as the Mosconi Cup. That said, I love Landon because he represents the *best* in American pool, IMO. Good family, good fundamentals, and a clean-cut kid. I look forward to seeing his name in the headlines very soon in every pool magazine. If the Mosconi Cup is still around, you can bet your bottom dollar that Landon will be in it in due time. :cool:

Since Johnny's points may not be up far enough to make it to this year's Mosconi Cup, he would have been an excellent choice for the captain, but that's water under the bridge. I think C.J. will do a superb job, much, much, much better than last year's flounder.

My choice for Mosconi Cup's Team USA, not that it matters, would be this:

Dennis Hatch
Mike Dechaine
Brandon Shuff
Shane Van Boening

And I'm undecided on the fifth player. I actually think Earl would do good, but just because Earl doesn't have these stupid, idiotic, unfair "ranking points" given to those who play in four or five U.S. events, he won't be considered.

I do know that some of the Mosconi Cup "regulars" of the past, well, I would not lose sleep over them not attending this year's Mosconi Cup. Some of them spend more time in their room with ladies dressed in purple than they do practicing with the team. Hopefully, C.J. as team captain will put an end to that. As well, there's a wee bit of substance abuse that can interfere with a player's capability if they don't get their mixture right. The truth may hurt, but I'm just saying.

In sum, I would welcome a new cast of players this year. I would worry about the nerves of the younger players with less experience like Brandon and Mike Dechaine -- yes, I know Mike did play in one MC -- would get the best of them in this venue of York. Those Brits can be brutal with their screaming, air horns, and pounding their feet on the floor. :grin:
 
Dechaine has had a much better year than Hatch, including a decisive victory over Hatch in TAR 25. If you feel you need to leave one of them out, it should be Hatch. Dechaine performed creditably in his first Mosconi Cup a year ago, including, if memory serves, a win over Ralf Souquet.

Dechaine is America's second best player right now, behind Van Boening, and his phenomenal record in 2012 speaks for itself.

I put Hatch in because of his previous, stellar success in the Mosconi Cup - he was a critical part of the last US winning team, his experience in general, his leadership, and he has good chemistry with the other members, Rodney Morris specifically. I then considered them mutually exclusive and left out Dechaine.

But that's a subjective call on my part. I wonder how objective the selection process is for Matchroom or if they look at a lot of intangibles as well... I dunno.
 
Earl will never ever again play in the Mosconi Cup. Sad but true. Sorry to stomp out anybodies hopes of him joining up but he's done with Matchroom.
 
JAM as much as I would like to see Dennis do great he in fact may be the weakest (if you want to call it that) player this year. When I saw him at the TS in August I asked him how his game was and he snickered and said he works too much now to get in the practice. Mind you he wasn't too friendly when I spoke with him but I don't know Dennis so ill chalk it up to a bad day for him. Probably him knowing how well he can play and not playing at the level he expects out of himself. Just ask any of us weekend warriors that practice 3 hours a week :rolleyes:
 
an old-school pool player, and these kind of players, ones who enjoy the distractions that Vegas has to offer, do not play their best pool in Vegas. End of story. :embarrassed2:

Some of them spend more time in their room with ladies dressed in purple than they do practicing with the team.

I wish it was "end of story". You're obsessed.
 
JAM as much as I would like to see Dennis do great he in fact may be the weakest (if you want to call it that) player this year. When I saw him at the TS in August I asked him how his game was and he snickered and said he works too much now to get in the practice. Mind you he wasn't too friendly when I spoke with him but I don't know Dennis so ill chalk it up to a bad day for him. Probably him knowing how well he can play and not playing at the level he expects out of himself. Just ask any of us weekend warriors that practice 3 hours a week :rolleyes:

Let me give you a little clue about thoroughbred pool players, ones who picked up the cue as a child and began playing champion-level pool by the time they were a teenager. It doesn't matter how long Dennis is away from the table. If he wants to get back in the saddle again, he can make it to the finish line before the other nags.

FYI, Keith hadn't picked up a cue in weeks, competed in the 2003 U.S. Open, and came in third place.

It's something that these players will have for life. There will always be a little lightning in the jug.

It's the same with Earl. You might think Earl is washed up, but he ain't. When given the right circumstances, Earl can beat any player in the world. I think he proved that with Shane Van Boening, who everybody thought was invincible. It's called seasoning and wisdom. Earl knew how to beat Shane, and that was to change up the equipment.

Earl, Dennis, Keith, and players of this ilk are not one-trick ponies, with only one game they play well in their arsenal. They play all games and can adapt to strange equipment and new environments much quicker than the New Kids on the Block.

And before somebody throws up the Filipinos or the blue-blooded European robots, I'm talking about American players right now. :cool:
 
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